Annoying printers

On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:09:36 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 10/03/2018 01:20 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:22:16 +0100, Mr. Man-wai Chang

[snip]

You need a laser printer!

And of course they never **** up....

I've had a few paper jams in my laser printer, as well as leaking toner

I had that when I dropped a bottle of it when I was refilling a cartridge. Don't drop toner. One litre of very very very fine powder makes a ****ing mess.

from those "low cost" cartridges and the "Print Unable E1" messages
(fixed with the proper driver). Still a lot fewer problems than with
inkjets.

If you want to take out a second mortgage, lasers are fine....

On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:58:47 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 10/03/2018 10:58 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
In civilised countries, the letterbox is in the front door, the mail
goes inside the house.

My mailbox at the end of my driveway and is over 1,000 feet from my
front door. Not everybody lives on a tenth acre lot.

I used to live in a place like that. There were trees all around the
house, making the yard private on all sides. The mailbox was down a long
driveway that curved, and the mailbox was across the road.

So you never knew if you had mail, or did you rig up a sensor?

On 10/03/2018 03:54 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

[snip]

Or it's not precisely the same in the first place.* Why do we need 50
shades of red anyway?

I would just say my pickup was red. I suppose some people think they
need the fancy names like Victory Red.

BTW, when I was in a DMV office recently, they had samples of colors to
help you determine what color your car is. There were just about a
dozen, with ordinary names like red, blue, black, etc...

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On 10/03/2018 04:34 PM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

[snip]

The woman who delivers my mail is dropped off at the end of the street
and delivers to 24 houses. She is then dropped at the next street and
so on.

Steve

Some neighborhoods are like that. I used to live in one.

Here, they drive the vehicle up the street, stopping at a mailbox in
front of each house (location of box is such that they don't have to get
out to put mail in it), then turn around and do the other side of the
street. I am on the second side so I get some advance notice. I have
taken advantage of that when I was almost too late to mail something.

BTW, mail usually comes here between noon and 1PM.

In rural areas mail is delivered only on one side of the road.

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82 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1
day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

Jesus loves the Ku Klux Klanners, Jesus loves the KKK, Pointy hats and
flowing robes, Burning crosses, homophobes! Jesus loves the Klanners of
the world!

On 10/03/2018 05:44 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

[snip]

The woman who delivers my mail is dropped off at the end of the street
and delivers to 24 houses. She is then dropped at the next street and
so on.

Yes, and in the UK, they bother to deliver it to the door, real service.

When I was in 3rd grade, we rented a house where mail was delivered to
the door. That was the only time I had that.

BTW, that house has been torn down. The university bought the area fro a
parking lot.

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82 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1
day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

Jesus loves the Ku Klux Klanners, Jesus loves the KKK, Pointy hats and
flowing robes, Burning crosses, homophobes! Jesus loves the Klanners of
the world!

On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:00:58 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 10/03/2018 04:34 PM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

[snip]

The woman who delivers my mail is dropped off at the end of the street
and delivers to 24 houses. She is then dropped at the next street and
so on.

Steve

Some neighborhoods are like that. I used to live in one.

Here, they drive the vehicle up the street, stopping at a mailbox in
front of each house (location of box is such that they don't have to get
out to put mail in it), then turn around and do the other side of the
street. I am on the second side so I get some advance notice. I have
taken advantage of that when I was almost too late to mail something.

That's something we don't have in the UK. To send mail we have to take it to a post office. Unless we use a private courier that collects from your door.

BTW, mail usually comes here between noon and 1PM.

In rural areas mail is delivered only on one side of the road.

What happens if you live on the other side?!

On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:53:50 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 10/03/2018 03:54 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

[snip]

Or it's not precisely the same in the first place. Why do we need 50
shades of red anyway?

I would just say my pickup was red. I suppose some people think they
need the fancy names like Victory Red.

BTW, when I was in a DMV office recently, they had samples of colors to
help you determine what color your car is. There were just about a
dozen, with ordinary names like red, blue, black, etc...

why would you need help to determine simple colours?

On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 09:48:52 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 23:44:07 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 22:42:39 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On 3 Oct 2018 15:35:58 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

[4] OTOH, as long as it's a Ferrari, I don't mind having another red
one!

I borrowed a friends Ferrari but I could get in and out so I couldn't
do the shopping!

What?!

I meant that I couldn't get in and out. I normally used my Honda to do
my shopping. That car was off the road so my friend said I could
borrow his Ferrari to go shopping. After two bags of groceries it was
full. I had the same trouble with his Porsche. It was nice to show off
a bit. AAMOI he now has a Maserati which is far more practical. I now
get everything delivered!

I even class a saloon car (probably British terminology) as useless. I only buy hatchbacks or larger. If I can't slide a refrigerator into the back with the seats folded down, it's useless.

On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 04:35:23 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

The inks are dyes. That's why inks are CMYK, and not BRYK. Some of the
light travels through the ink and is reflected off the substrate. The
result is an unpredictable mix of additive and subtractive colours.
That's why the driver has plain, matte, and glossy paper paper settings,
etc. Try printing on plain paper with the glossy paper setting to have
some inkling of how these factors interact.

BRYK? Red-Yellow-Blue for pigmented primaries as in oil paints? Whether
dyes or pigments the process is subtractive color primaries. Additive
primaries are RGB where light is transmitted as with a monitor or TV.

As I said, dyes are transparent/translucent, so some light is reflected
off the substrate out through the inks, that's one reason why why colour
printing is tricky.

it's because inks are imperfect and the same issues apply to pigment
inks.

BTW, there are/have been inkjet printers with R and G as well. I had
one, a Canon Pixma with 7 cartridges: CMYK + R, G and black pigment.it
produced stunning colour. Unfortunately, it was discontinued. Here's a
replacement model (which I did not buy):

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/p...s/printers/sup
port-professional-inkjet-printers/pixma-pro9000

that's a cmyk printer with two magentas and two cyans (common in many
photo printers) and also red and green to widen the gamut even further.
it's a variant on hexachrome, which uses cmyk plus orange and green.

Don't know about blue. One could add a blue ink, I suppose, would make
the ink mix even trickier.

not much point in that.

wouldn't that be like a different cyan?

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Don't know about blue. One could add a blue ink, I suppose, would make
the ink mix even trickier.

not much point in that.

wouldn't that be like a different cyan?

no.

cyan is blue+green, the complement of red.

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On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:20:38 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Don't know about blue. One could add a blue ink, I suppose, would make
the ink mix even trickier.

not much point in that.

wouldn't that be like a different cyan?

no.

cyan is blue+green, the complement of red.

https://app.teamsupport.com/dc/49374...2-4463-893f-59
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And blue is a little bit round the colour wheel. That's what you want isn't it, many inks evenly spaced around the wheel?

On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 00:35:44 +0100, Wolf K wrote:

On 2018-10-03 18:43, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

So you can't have grey by placing less ink, you have to make dots of
black and white? Can't you get a weaker colour by using less ink, much
like a felt tip pen that's running out?

Think about what you just said.

Done, it makes perfect sense, why do you think it doesn't?

On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 00:34:48 +0100, Wolf K wrote:

On 2018-10-03 18:43, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
[...]
So tell me, how did black and white inkjets work?
Any b/w printer creates half-tone images, like newspapers that print
grey-scale pictures. Look closely, and you can see the dots, different
sizes with different amounts of white space between them. You may need a
magnifying glass. (1)

Surely they just shoot less ink for the lighter greys?

You didn't look up "half tone" eh?

I vaguely remember it as lots of little dots, seems pointless to me.

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:10:07 +0100, wrote:

What part of "grey is a colour" don't you get?

Who are you talking to? Learn to quote.

Is Opera Mail broken or/and don't you know how to use that either!?

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/03/2018 01:20 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:22:16 +0100, Mr. Man-wai Chang

[snip]

You need a laser printer!

And of course they never **** up....

I've had a few paper jams in my laser printer, as well as leaking toner
from those "low cost" cartridges and the "Print Unable E1" messages
(fixed with the proper driver). Still a lot fewer problems than with
inkjets.

My laser printer (HP LaserJet 6MP) lasted some twelve years, until
finally some rubber rollers started to turn into gum. Couldn't bother to
try to fix it by getting the needed parts. Bought another one (HP
LaserJet M1132 MFP, i.e. also scanner/copier) at EUR 99.99,
three-and-a-half years ago. Still on its first - limited capacity -
cartridge.

OP

"If you want to take out a second mortgage, lasers are fine...."

/OP

Yeah right!