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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On 2020-04-06 18:51, Rabid Roach wrote:
On 2020-04-06 9:05 p.m., T wrote: -- snip -- Word Pro is free now too.Â* It is missing a bunch of nice feature, but it works really well and can eat envelopes alive.Â* Libre Office can not print an envelope for its life, despite all the complaining on its bug reporter. And Word Pro's division tabs are wonderful.Â* LO is dragging their feet on that one two. If you only want text editing, a great programmers text editor that is stripped enough to use over ssh, is Geany.Â* I use it exclusively for programming. I wasn't aware that LibreOffice has trouble printing an envelope. Good to know, thanks for the info! https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42325 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42326 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42327 And on their forum: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/quest...t-an-envelope/ |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On 2020-04-06 9:58 p.m., Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:05:44 -0700, T wrote: Word Pro is free now too. What is Word Pro? Not mentioned he https://www.techradar.com/best/free-office-software Links? TIA []'s I believe that he's referring to the word processor bundled with the Lotus SmartSuite product. |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office thatisn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On 2020-04-07 12:36 a.m., T wrote:
On 2020-04-06 18:51, Rabid Roach wrote: On 2020-04-06 9:05 p.m., T wrote: -- snip -- Word Pro is free now too.Â* It is missing a bunch of nice feature, but it works really well and can eat envelopes alive.Â* Libre Office can not print an envelope for its life, despite all the complaining on its bug reporter. And Word Pro's division tabs are wonderful.Â* LO is dragging their feet on that one two. If you only want text editing, a great programmers text editor that is stripped enough to use over ssh, is Geany.Â* I use it exclusively for programming. I wasn't aware that LibreOffice has trouble printing an envelope. Good to know, thanks for the info! https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42325 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42326 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42327 And on their forum: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/quest...t-an-envelope/ I suppose this is why most people don't adopt Linux for very long. It seems that an open-source solution can be good for one task or another but not for a whole system. However, this suggests that it's not even worth using for a simple task. |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
"T" wrote The only thing I wish Word Pro had was the right click spell check. What about support for docx? Libre Office never quite manages complex docx, and now they no longer support XP, so if they fix docx it won't help me. The SS version you linked seems to be circa 2014, so I'm hopeful it might deal with docx. But if it's only had patches since 2001 then it won't be useful. Word Pro was the first office program I used. I got it free on a magazine CD. (Remember those days?) It had a nice feature I used to demonstrate things to people I was trying to help. You could film the desktop for any length of time and then give it to someone else as a self-contained video in EXE format. A quick search indicates that it's designed for XP and may run afoul of DEP, which is odd. DEP has been around for a long time and usually only conflicts with coding hacks. Executable code running in data memory locations is what sets it off. Though on XP, at least, it can be adjusted via a boot parameter in boot.ini: /NoExecute=AlwaysOff |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
I'm afraid I just answered my own question:
"Fixpacks only contained changes to the Lotus Approach database software." The whole download is something like 1.7 GB. I cancelled it. This is software from 2002, so it won't support docx. |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office thatisn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote:
I suppose this is why most people don't adopt Linux for very long. It seems that an open-source solution can be good for one task or another but not for a whole system. However, this suggests that it's not even worth using for a simple task. It depends on the task and the user's needs and experience. I've been using Linux over 20 years as my primary OS and it does everything I need. Despite being in business for decades I've never used any of the Microsoft Office programs, though I've installed it plenty of times for others. For a home user who just "surfs thuh web" they won't notice much difference between Linux and Windows or much of anything else as long as they can point 'n click. On the other hand for the typical office drone Linux is not a particularly good fit and I do not recommend it to them. It's all about using the right tool for the job. Sometimes it's Linux. Sometimes it's BSD Unix. Sometimes it's Windows, or OS-X which is Unix under the hood. Or it may be something completely different. (If I really had my preference I'd prefer to still be working with TOPS-20. If you don't have 36 bits you're not working with a full DEC!) When I need to print an envelope I use "enscript" from the command line with a suitable text file as input. Easy peasy, but I've been working with Unix and Unix-like systems for a very long time so I find the command line easy and intuitive. There may be other ways to print envelopes but this works for me. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) The US Census, what info must you give? -- http://censusfacts.info Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office thatisn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On 2020-04-07 11:48 a.m., Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote: I suppose this is why most people don't adopt Linux for very long. It seems that an open-source solution can be good for one task or another but not for a whole system. However, this suggests that it's not even worth using for a simple task. It depends on the task and the user's needs and experience. I've been using Linux over 20 years as my primary OS and it does everything I need. Despite being in business for decades I've never used any of the Microsoft Office programs, though I've installed it plenty of times for others. I notice that anyone whose needs aren't specific will find joy with Linux but anyone who wants to do specific tasks well, don't like it at all. For a home user who just "surfs thuh web" they won't notice much difference between Linux and Windows or much of anything else as long as they can point 'n click. On the other hand for the typical office drone Linux is not a particularly good fit and I do not recommend it to them. It's all about using the right tool for the job. Sometimes it's Linux. Sometimes it's BSD Unix. Sometimes it's Windows, or OS-X which is Unix under the hood. Or it may be something completely different. (If I really had my preference I'd prefer to still be working with TOPS-20. If you don't have 36 bits you're not working with a full DEC!) When I need to print an envelope I use "enscript" from the command line with a suitable text file as input. Easy peasy, but I've been working with Unix and Unix-like systems for a very long time so I find the command line easy and intuitive. There may be other ways to print envelopes but this works for me. It's 2020 and I don't believe in compromises. |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office thatisn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote:
It's 2020 and I don't believe in compromises. I don't see what the numbers in an abitrary calendar system have to do with anything. Perhaps you can explain this strange phenomenon. I strongly suspect you are just being a jackass, but I'll reserve judgement on that. In any event I don't believe in compromising my workflow either which is why I work primarily from the command line. That's where the power and flexibility is. Aside from providing multiple terminals GUIs just get in the way. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) The US Census, what info must you give? -- http://censusfacts.info Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office thatisn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On 2020-04-07 4:12 p.m., Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote: It's 2020 and I don't believe in compromises. I don't see what the numbers in an abitrary calendar system have to do with anything. Perhaps you can explain this strange phenomenon. I strongly suspect you are just being a jackass, but I'll reserve judgement on that. In any event I don't believe in compromising my workflow either which is why I work primarily from the command line. That's where the power and flexibility is. Aside from providing multiple terminals GUIs just get in the way. The point here is that in 2020, using the command-line or software which doesn't do simple things properly (LibreOffice), is a compromise considering proper software is available and affordable. |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 00:38:20, Roger Blake
wrote: On 2020-04-06, T wrote: [] I though M$O 2003 was very useful and did not like the migration to tiles. A lot of people are with you on that one. Lots of complaints from people who suddenly had to relearn how to do what they needed. [] If by "tiles" you mean the "ribbon", there were a few add-ons that made it revert. The one I tried and quite liked was from a .ch source; it gave you a reasonable approximation to the non-ribbon UI, but also gave access to the new facilities. It was only free for home use, though. There was at least one other. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Science fiction is escape into reality - Arthur C Clarke |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
"Rabid Roach" wrote
The point here is that in 2020, using the command-line or software which doesn't do simple things properly (LibreOffice), is a compromise considering proper software is available and affordable. Yes, but it depends on what you need and what you can get. I've been setting up a Raspberry Pi recently for media streaming to a TV and it was somewhat of a pain. Typical Linux. As soon as you actually want to do something you're faced with command line. I detest command line and consider it the mark of unfinished software by lazy programmers. It's been out of date since 1995. But in the end, the Pi was worth the work. For office I've used Libre Office for many years. I've never used any of the MS Office versions. At one time Word '97 was only about $35. But I didn't need it. If I wanted it today I'm guessing it would be $5-10/month for 365 spyware "browser app" crap. Worse, it's not even online. You have to install the whole thing and then, like Adobe CS, it pretends to be online so they'll have an excuse to say you can only rent and not buy. So you're using GBs of space on your system for installed MSO, but you have to pay them rental fees. What's wrong with this picture? MS would have to pay me to use that crap. LO does what I need, which is mostly just work contracts, receipts, envelope labels, and an occasional letter. I can also save customer receipts as PDF, which most of them like and it looks very professional. I don't need macros, tables, etc. But if you work in an office and your main work *is* MS Word then you'd be crazy to cut corners. For the vast majority, LO, while excessively bloated, is a full featured office program for free. (I can't remember the last time I printed an envelope. Probably never.) |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:25:42 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote: I'm afraid I just answered my own question: "Fixpacks only contained changes to the Lotus Approach database software." The whole download is something like 1.7 GB. I cancelled it. This is software from 2002, so it won't support docx. If you use uTorrent you can download only the files you need. Each language is about 145 MB, and the "fix" is around 10MB. Not so large.... https://archive.org/download/LotusSm...rchive.torrent If it doesn't handle docx, I'll just ask people to resend in a civilized format. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 15:27:53 -0400, Rabid Roach
wrote: On 2020-04-07 11:48 a.m., Roger Blake wrote: On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote: I suppose this is why most people don't adopt Linux for very long. It seems that an open-source solution can be good for one task or another but not for a whole system. However, this suggests that it's not even worth using for a simple task. It depends on the task and the user's needs and experience. I've been using Linux over 20 years as my primary OS and it does everything I need. Despite being in business for decades I've never used any of the Microsoft Office programs, though I've installed it plenty of times for others. I notice that anyone whose needs aren't specific will find joy with Linux but anyone who wants to do specific tasks well, don't like it at all. That would be 2% of all users? Let them use Windows. After all, we're in 2020. Plenty of other options for the majority. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office thatisn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?
On 2020-04-07 4:20 p.m., J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 00:38:20, Roger Blake wrote: On 2020-04-06, T wrote: [] I though M$O 2003 was very useful and did not like the migration to tiles. A lot of people are with you on that one. Lots of complaints from people who suddenly had to relearn how to do what they needed. [] If by "tiles" you mean the "ribbon", there were a few add-ons that made it revert. The one I tried and quite liked was from a .ch source; it gave you a reasonable approximation to the non-ribbon UI, but also gave access to the new facilities. It was only free for home use, though. There was at least one other. Still using Libreoffice as it does all I need and I don't print envelopes. I have never liked the ribbon menu and probably never will. Rene |
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working with MS Word was What useful functionality is in thenewer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Prowhich I just installed?
On 4/10/2020 8:10 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-04-10 9:56 a.m., jetjock wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 14:58:56 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2020-04-09 2:38 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: In response to what Rene Lamontagne wrote : You mean it took you 3 weeks 8 hours a day to learn MS Office Mail Merge! Wow. Hi Rene Lamontagne, Some day you're going to _not_ prove to be two things in _every_ post: a. You always prove to post with _zero_ purposefully helpful intent b. Hence, _what_ you post actually adds _negative_ value to every thread. I realize you don't care that you're a worthless piece of ****, Rene... o But other people don't want to have to read me telling you this. Stay away from me - and I'll stay away from you Rene Lamontagne. o Just leave me alone. If you're going to respond to my post, at least make it _zero_ value o Instead of the negative value of all your posts (& mine in response). Don't do it for me. o Do it for the sake of the others on this newsgroup. OK Rene Rene Lamontagne Hi Rene, Please do everyone a favor and NEVER respond to anything Arlen posts. Most have him kill filed, but when you respond, they have to read his drivel to get to what you have said. :-) jetjock Yep He's done for good.. Like most trolls, he changes his nym every now and then to escape from kill files. So it may not be for good and you will have to do it again. But no big deal--it takes just a few seconds to create a new kill file entry when you need it. -- Ken |
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