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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copy files?
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Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Thank you in advance. -- "We now go live to Ollie Williams in Channel 5 traffic chopper. What's scene?" --Tom Tucker. "Everyone looks like ants!" "That is probably because you're up so high." from Family Guy. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copyfiles?
Ant wrote:
Hello. Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Thank you in advance. In such a configuration, you have no DHCP. You'll need to assign an IP address. If left alone, the computer will use the APIPA address. It suggests here, that the machines can use ARP to figure out the APIPA address, without a conflict. So perhaps you don't have to edit anything. If the machines are GbE networking, you can use a regular Ethernet cable. If the machines are 10/100BT, they might need a crossover cable. Try the regular cable first, and see if it works. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address If for some reason, that didn't work, you can use the network control panel in the traditional way, set one machine to 192.168.1.1 and the other to 192.168.1.2 . You'll still need to know what the address is, if you let the machine do this for itself automatically. You can do "ipconfig" from a DOS prompt. In Windows 7, you type "cmd" in the start thing, to get the DOS window so you can run that. The APIPA could be in the vicinity of 169.254.1.1 and 169.254.1.2 or so. From the command prompt, you can now test your connection. On machine 169.254.1.1, you can "ping 169.254.1.2" and verify the network is up. You can probably make a network connection, again, using an IP address value, and once the share is visible, start your transfer. While it is possible via a HomeGroup or using identical workgroup values, you can get the file share of one machine to just show up, you can also connect using an IP address value to reach the other machine. That cuts out the "browsing" phase of the setup. I use that from flaky Ubuntu setups, where the OS can't seem to find the Windows machines. There are tools such as Windows Easy Transfer, that might be suited to this as well, but I haven't a clue whether that's appropriate at this point or not. I'd be more interested in your approach, of just transferring things the "regular way". ******* Another novel way to transfer files, is to install the web server that is available on certain versions of Windows. (You look in Programs and Features, for the Windows Components item, so you can enable the web server.) The web server includes an FTP server. The advantage of using FTP, is the possibility of slightly faster transfers, if say, both machines had GbE networking. Windows File Sharing can be a bit slower sometimes. So if I'm bored, I might look into doing that on one end, and either "put" or "get" each file. I might use such an approach with multi-gigabyte files, but not for thousands of smaller files. To transfer a file tree with FTP is a pain unless you have the right kind of client software (something more than a vanilla client). You can always zip up a file tree, and make one big file from it. That is, if you have sufficient space on both machines. 7ZIP can be used to do that. You select uncompressed ("store") mode, so the zipping operation goes as fast as the disks can go. And that way, you only have to specify one file name, when transferring the whole lot, from one machine to the other. I'd probably do that, if using FTP for some reason. You don't want actual compression to take place, because that takes too long. (Has taken as long as 24 hours, to compress an entire disk.) Using "store" mode doesn't save space, but makes it easier to deal with a bunch of files, as a single file. I expect I'm the only one interested in doing it this way :-) ******* You can take the side off the two machines, and move the disk into the second machine, and just copy the files. But where is the fun in that ? Paul |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copy files?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:25:45 -0700, Ant wrote:
Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Short answer: no, but read on. A "regular network cable" won't work because the transmit and receive pairs inside the cable aren't set up to work that way. You can get it done by using a "crossover" cable, though, which gets its name because the transmit and receive pairs are crossed with each other at one end. Alternately, you can use a networking device and two regular network cables, probably more properly called Ethernet cables. The networking device can be a switch, a hub, a router with two or more LAN ports, etc. In that case, the networking device will handle the task of making sure the transmit and receive data is on the right wires inside the cable. In the absence of a router that's handing out IP addresses via DHCP, both PC's should self-configure themselves with APIPA addresses, and thus should be able to find each other and talk across the network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apipa -- Char Jackson |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copy files?
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Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Thank you in advance. An alternative is a usb to usb data transfer cable -- mick |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copyfiles?
On 10/11/2012 10:18 PM PT, Char Jackson typed:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:25:45 -0700, Ant wrote: Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Short answer: no, but read on. A "regular network cable" won't work because the transmit and receive pairs inside the cable aren't set up to work that way. You can get it done by using a "crossover" cable, though, which gets its name because the transmit and receive pairs are crossed with each other at one end. Aren't network cables already crossover or do I have to get a special one? -- "Oh bother", said Winnie the Pooh, "There's an ant on my foot..." /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copyfiles?
On 10/12/2012 4:06 AM PT, mick typed:
Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Thank you in advance. An alternative is a usb to usb data transfer cable Ah, I did not know that exists. Does it require special drivers too? -- "If someone makes you angry, I think the thing to do is tie them down to the ground, cover them in honey, and then release a swarm of killer ants on them. That way, you can hit them over and over again and say, 'Hey! I'm just trying to help!' and they can't really get mad at you." --R.M. Weiner /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copyfiles?
On 12/10/2012 9:04 AM, Ant wrote:
On 10/11/2012 10:18 PM PT, Char Jackson typed: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:25:45 -0700, Ant wrote: Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Short answer: no, but read on. A "regular network cable" won't work because the transmit and receive pairs inside the cable aren't set up to work that way. You can get it done by using a "crossover" cable, though, which gets its name because the transmit and receive pairs are crossed with each other at one end. Aren't network cables already crossover or do I have to get a special one? Older Ethernet (100Mbps or less) require crossover cables. Newer 1Gbps Ethernet doesn't, they are auto-sensing and can become either straight-through or cross-over as needed. Yousuf Khan |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copyfiles?
On 10/12/2012 7:04 AM PT, Yousuf Khan typed:
Aren't network cables already crossover or do I have to get a special one? Older Ethernet (100Mbps or less) require crossover cables. Newer 1Gbps Ethernet doesn't, they are auto-sensing and can become either straight-through or cross-over as needed. Hmm, I wonder how to tell if the network cables have crossovers or not. -- "I could crush him like an ant. But it would be too easy. No, revenge is a dish best served cold. I'll bide my time until... Oh, what the hell, I'll just crush him like an ant." --Mr. Burns, The Simpsons ("Blood Feud" Episode 7F22) /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copy files?
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:42:30 -0700, Ant wrote: Hmm, I wonder how to tell if the network cables have crossovers or not. Have a look at the connectors at both ends. If the colours are in the same order at each end it's a straight through cable. If the colours are swapped round it will be a crossover. Jim |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copyfiles?
Ant wrote:
On 10/12/2012 4:06 AM PT, mick typed: Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Thank you in advance. An alternative is a usb to usb data transfer cable Ah, I did not know that exists. Does it require special drivers too? You'll need a USB-to-USB bridged cable, not an ordinary USB cable. They have a little circuit-board in the middle, and come with software (including drivers) that has to be installed on both computers. Ed |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copy files?
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:00:16 +0100, James Egan wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:42:30 -0700, Ant wrote: Hmm, I wonder how to tell if the network cables have crossovers or not. Have a look at the connectors at both ends. If the colours are in the same order at each end it's a straight through cable. If the colours are swapped round it will be a crossover. Jim Only if you orient the connectors properly :-) They should be side by side with the same surface up, not end to end, when you are comparing them. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copyfiles?
James Egan wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:42:30 -0700, Ant wrote: Hmm, I wonder how to tell if the network cables have crossovers or not. Have a look at the connectors at both ends. If the colours are in the same order at each end it's a straight through cable. If the colours are swapped round it will be a crossover. Jim I own at least one crossover cable. It has a red vinyl cover on one end, and a blue vinyl cover on the other end. But it's also possible to have crossover cables, with the same color on each end. The color idea was a later improvement in cable design. Gigabit Ethernet has MDI/MDIX capability. That's how it can figure out which twisted pair, has what signal on it. (With GbE, it doesn't matter which cable you use. You can even use a four wire or an eight wire cable, and it should still figure it out.) Whereas, if you use old enough 10/100BT hardware, there is no capability like that, and then you need the exactly right "flavor" of cable (crossover or straight, with crossover being used between two computers). Straight thru cables are used between computer and switch/router box. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Dependent_Interface 1) Connect the candidate cable. You want the cable connected, so APIPA can use ARP to check for conflicts automatically. 1) Fire up the computers. Make sure they got an APIPA address on the wired interface, using "ipconfig". You need the IP address information, to determine there is no IP address conflict. A value of 169.254.x.x is expected. Each computer should have a different value. 3) Use a "ping" test, to determine whether the cabling is working. 4) Now, worry about the file sharing. HTH, Paul |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copyfiles?
Ed Cryer wrote:
Ant wrote: On 10/12/2012 4:06 AM PT, mick typed: Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Thank you in advance. An alternative is a usb to usb data transfer cable Ah, I did not know that exists. Does it require special drivers too? You'll need a USB-to-USB bridged cable, not an ordinary USB cable. They have a little circuit-board in the middle, and come with software (including drivers) that has to be installed on both computers. Ed This is an example of a chip. http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowPr..._id=34&pcid=43 USB_Connector --- wire --- blob containing PL-25A1 --- wire--- USB_Connector USB2.0 Host-to-Host Bridge Controller The bridge controller uses a simple "mail box" scheme. One computer puts a message in the mail box. The other computer polls the mail box to see if any message is available. This solves the problem, of USB not having any direct host-to-host protocols. USB was designed for host-to-peripheral situations. Using the PL-25A1 or similar, each computer is "fooled" into thinking it is talking to a peripheral, when in fact it's another computer. This is an example of a cable with the "blob" in the center. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812106174 It's possible to confuse cables. USB cable extenders exist, which also have a blob. But they have a male connector on one end and a female connector on the other end, indicating the cables join end to end. Whereas, the Easy Transfer cable, has the *same* connector on either end of the cable. http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...106-174-02.jpg Windows 7 could well have a standard driver for that chip. There wasn't a USB class for that chip when it was invented. But I guess they cleaned that aspect up, after the fact. On older OSes, you needed to use the driver disc. Paul |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copy files?
On 10/12/2012 4:06 AM PT, mick typed:
Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Thank you in advance. An alternative is a usb to usb data transfer cable Ah, I did not know that exists. Does it require special drivers too? No, just plug each end in and you get an explorer type screen on each computer, here is a quick look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD5vvbY0HLY -- mick |
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A direct connection between two 64-bit W7 SP1 machines to copy files?
On 10/12/2012 4:06 AM PT, mick typed:
Is it copy transfer many big files between two updated 64-bit W7 SP1 machines (Enterprise and Home Premium) with a regular network cable without a network? Thank you in advance. An alternative is a usb to usb data transfer cable Ah, I did not know that exists. Does it require special drivers too? No, just plug each end in and you get an explorer type screen on each computer, here is a quick look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD5vvbY0HLY sorry forgot to say, here is the one I use http://www.jargy.com.tw/data%20link%...20cable-27.htm bought from somewhere in the UK long ago. There are plenty of others on ebay -- mick |
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