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Old December 8th 18, 01:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Alan Holbrook
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Default Authentication Required?

I have a home network with three Win10 computers on it. One of the three
has several external disk drives attached. All the computers can see each
other and all can access the external drives. Recently, I bought an Amazon
Firestick and attached it to a television in front of my treadmill. One of
the applications on the Firestick needs to see the external drives on the
network, but when I try to access the computer the drives are attached to,
I get a message that says that computer requires authentication and it
wants a username and password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever
setting up anything on the network to require authentication, and no
combination of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure
out what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from
the Firestick? Thanks...
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Old December 8th 18, 05:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Authentication Required?

Alan Holbrook wrote:

I have a home network with three Win10 computers on it. One of the three
has several external disk drives attached. All the computers can see each
other and all can access the external drives. Recently, I bought an Amazon
Firestick and attached it to a television in front of my treadmill. One of
the applications on the Firestick needs to see the external drives on the
network, but when I try to access the computer the drives are attached to,
I get a message that says that computer requires authentication and it
wants a username and password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever
setting up anything on the network to require authentication, and no
combination of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure
out what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from
the Firestick? Thanks...


On the Firestick, enter the logon credentials for the Windows session
that is defined on the host to which the external disks are attached.

File sharing, by default, requires authentication. A user on another
host is literally logging into the remote host (the one with the
attached external disks), so they need an account on the remote host. A
disadvantage of auto-login is that you don't enter your login
credentials, so you may forget them. I can't/won't help you hack your
Windows accounts on the remote host. If you cannot remember you own
login credentials for the Windows accounts defined on your remote host,
you'll have to reset their passwords (which requires you login under an
admin-level Windows account).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecoliBpLcDI
timemark 3:00

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...oup-windows-10

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...over-a-network

I don't use a Firestick, so I'm not aware of what protocols it uses for
file sharing. Maybe it relies on the old homegroup scheme which
disappeared in Windows 10 April 2018 update.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...egroup-removed
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...oup-windows-10
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Old December 8th 18, 05:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Authentication Required?

Alan Holbrook wrote:
I have a home network with three Win10 computers on it. One of the three
has several external disk drives attached. All the computers can see each
other and all can access the external drives. Recently, I bought an Amazon
Firestick and attached it to a television in front of my treadmill. One of
the applications on the Firestick needs to see the external drives on the
network, but when I try to access the computer the drives are attached to,
I get a message that says that computer requires authentication and it
wants a username and password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever
setting up anything on the network to require authentication, and no
combination of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure
out what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from
the Firestick? Thanks...


Well, some combination of username and password *will* gain access.

I run into this unnecessary authentication problem all the time.

Windows usernames are like C:\users\John Smith

Linux ones are like /home/john

If the Linux box automagically prepares a username for the
authentication box, it jams "john" into the username box.

The user then has to overtype that field and use "John Smith"
to match the account that was set up on the Windows box.
Then enter "John Smith" version of password. Not any
password that is on the Firestick.

If I'd "planned ahead", I would have changed all my Windows
installs to a single username of "Johnsmith" and any appliances
to "Johnsmith" and my Linux installs to "Johnsmith", so there
would be C:\users\Johnsmith and /home/Johnsmith and so on.
But who thinks about all this ten or fifteen years ago ?

All that "aligning" the names buys you, is one less field
to have to overtype. You'd likely still need a password.

And it's not supposed to do that, but this could somehow
be related to SMBV1 bugs or something. I'm not really
sure why the wheels have fallen off, the way they have.

To top it off, on the Linux side, you have to authenticate
*twice*. If you want to browse the server, you log into
"bob" machine at the top level. Then if you select "share1"
on "bob", the idiotic thing wants authentication to
get in there, and it *won't* use the information
you just entered for the previous authentication either.
To reduce this annoyance to just one login box

smb://bob/share1 # network neighborhood working
smb://192.168.1.3/share1 # if network neighborhood not working
# if DHCP, address may change on LAN

And I really don't have an answer for you. I don't
think going to Programs and Features : Windows Features
and turning SMBV1 on the Win10 box ON or OFF is going
to make a difference, as the authentication issue is
likely to be present in either case.

Turning off the password requirement on the Win10 networking
settings seems to achieve nothing. Nominally, all security
is removed and it *still* needs the damn password. Even
if the account password was blank, I doubt it would work,
but I don't plan on doing that. I don't run computers
here with blank passwords. Not ever. The security on
my LAN may be smashed to smithereens, but the account
password stays. And real administrator account
stays disabled (as done by Win10 installer by default).

Paul
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Old December 8th 18, 09:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Authentication Required?

Paul wrote:
Alan Holbrook wrote:
I have a home network with three Win10 computers on it. One of the
three has several external disk drives attached. All the computers
can see each other and all can access the external drives. Recently,
I bought an Amazon Firestick and attached it to a television in front
of my treadmill. One of the applications on the Firestick needs to
see the external drives on the network, but when I try to access the
computer the drives are attached to, I get a message that says that
computer requires authentication and it wants a username and
password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever setting up
anything on the network to require authentication, and no combination
of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure out
what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from
the Firestick? Thanks...



If ES File Explorer were to work, other things doing
file sharing would be likely to work too.

At some point, Win10 changed and upset the "easy" recipe
they had, of using "Turn off password protected sharing".

https://www.tenforums.com/network-sh...-explorer.html

*******

The NetBIOS setting is here. Not that it's wrong
or anything.

https://i.postimg.cc/PJjFBFx7/netbios-Win10.gif

*******

There's a picture of "Turn Windows Features On or Off", here.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...l-windows.html

*******

The Win10 stack does support a kind of reporting.
It will show the details of a connection, *after*
the connection is made. This is *useless* for debugging
connections that don't get made.

Windows PowerShell
Copyright (C) 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32 get-smbconnection

ServerName ShareName UserName Credential Dialect NumOpens
---------- --------- -------- ---------- ------- --------
BOB ramdisk WAFFLES\User Name WAFFLES\User Name 1.5 2

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32

That's a connection with a WinXP (SMBV1-only OS) box. Dialect is 1.5.

*******

Here is another Powershell command. This one tells
you what SMB flavors are enabled, as well as the
encryption setting (which I don't believe is correct,
as I doubt Win10 sends network packets without one of
the encryption flavors turned on - networking is too slow
to be unencrypted).

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32 get-smbserverconfiguration

AnnounceComment :
AnnounceServer : False
AsynchronousCredits : 64
AuditSmb1Access : False
AutoDisconnectTimeout : 15
AutoShareServer : True
AutoShareWorkstation : True
CachedOpenLimit : 10
DurableHandleV2TimeoutInSeconds : 180
EnableAuthenticateUserSharing : False
EnableDownlevelTimewarp : False
EnableForcedLogoff : True
EnableLeasing : True
EnableMultiChannel : True
EnableOplocks : True
EnableSecuritySignature : False
EnableSMB1Protocol : True -------
EnableSMB2Protocol : True -------
EnableStrictNameChecking : True
EncryptData : False ===
IrpStackSize : 15
KeepAliveTime : 2
MaxChannelPerSession : 32
MaxMpxCount : 50
MaxSessionPerConnection : 16384
MaxThreadsPerQueue : 20
MaxWorkItems : 1
NullSessionPipes :
NullSessionShares :
OplockBreakWait : 35
PendingClientTimeoutInSeconds : 120
RejectUnencryptedAccess : True
RequireSecuritySignature : False
ServerHidden : True
Smb2CreditsMax : 2048
Smb2CreditsMin : 128
SmbServerNameHardeningLevel : 0
TreatHostAsStableStorage : False
ValidateAliasNotCircular : True
ValidateShareScope : True
ValidateShareScopeNotAliased : True
ValidateTargetName : True

*******

Normally, you'd use Wireshark, to capture Ethernet packets
and use the SMB Dissector or similar in Wireshark, to figure
out what is happening.

However, with the Firestick, you need "AirPCAP" instead
of "winpcap" to run a promiscuous receiver and capture the
traffic.

If you were to purchase an Ethernet to Wifi access point,
then have the Firestick connect from that, right to the PC,
that might be another way to do it, that would put the
traffic into Ethernet, and allow easier Wireshark capture.
You might do that while using ICS or something, to run the
Access Point to Firestick segment. Something like that.

The only problem with the airpcap idea, is ordering the
dongle and waiting for shipment.

Access points aren't all that common any more as a sales
item, because full routers are just as cheap. And that
pretty well killed some one-port products on the
day they were launched.

PC --- eth --- Wifi_Router --/\/\--- Firestick via Wifi
^
|
+---- Winpcap (built-in, free) and Wireshark (free)

http://www.wireshark.org

I don't use it all that much, but usually have a copy on
the Win10 setup. May require "Run as Admin" to give winpcap
the authority to do promiscuous access on the Ethernet chip
on the PC motherboard. An error number ending in 0005 or similar
may indicate a "permissions problem" that Run as Admin can fix.

Paul
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Old December 9th 18, 09:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Alan Holbrook
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Default Authentication Required?

VanguardLH wrote in :

Alan Holbrook wrote:
computer requires authentication and it wants a username and
password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever setting up
anything on the network to require authentication, and no combination
of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure out
what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from


On the Firestick, enter the logon credentials for the Windows session
that is defined on the host to which the external disks are attached.


That would be great advice, if a bit unnecessary, if I knew what the logon
credentials for the session are. That's the issue. See above.
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Old December 9th 18, 09:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Alan Holbrook
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Paul wrote in news



Thanks, Paul, I'll try the format you suggested.
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Old December 9th 18, 12:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Authentication Required?

Alan Holbrook wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Alan Holbrook wrote:

computer requires authentication and it wants a username and
password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever setting up
anything on the network to require authentication, and no combination
of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure out
what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from


On the Firestick, enter the logon credentials for the Windows session
that is defined on the host to which the external disks are attached.


That would be great advice, if a bit unnecessary, if I knew what the logon
credentials for the session are. That's the issue. See above.


Are the owner of the computer with the attached external drives? That
person is the admin of that computer and should know what are the login
credentials, or they can reset the password for a Windows account.
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Old December 10th 18, 07:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Alan Holbrook
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Default Authentication Required?

Alan Holbrook wrote in
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Paul wrote in news



Thanks, Paul, I'll try the format you suggested.


Paul, that worked. Got authenticated and got logged on to the remote
computer I needed to access. Thanks much for the help.
 




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