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SSD and surveillance camera?
On 12/15/2018 5:20 AM, Pat wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:35:25 -0800, mike wrote: On 12/14/2018 12:19 PM, Pat wrote: One option would be to use a RAM disk. Then just periodically wipe the files if not needed. I use a RAM disk for camera images and periodically write them to the SSD. There must be a better way for you, though. If you don't want or need the files and your software can't be told to throw the images away, find new software. There are plenty of camera handling packages available for free. Good luck. I'd be interested in particular recommendations for free viewers that don't write to the C: drive, don't put up big windows with lots of frames and buttons and..., and don't require capturing a stream. That wastes way too much local network bandwidth. Do you need video to be displayed or will a periodic "snapshot" do? As nospam said, your camera has the ability to send snapshots when requested to do so. (I also have a few Panasonic cameras). I wrote a program in C# that requests a snapshot from the camera once per second and displays it in a borderless window with no other buttons or controls. In another post you said all you want is "an IPCAM viewer". By coincidence, I named my program IPCam. If you can program in C#, you could write something similar (the tools are free). Mine wouldn't work for you because I get sloppy when writing software for my own use and I embed all sorts of hard coded network address, passwords, and such). Pat I'm a VB6 kinda programmer. Drag and drop... Never did like all the declarations and libraries and pragmas, whatever they are, required just to get to the point you can write the first line of application code. I wrote ONE C program 20 years ago when I just couldn't get interpreted basic to run fast enough. I would be interested in seeing your source code, if you'd be willing to hack out the passwords and email it. I don't have a problem with hard coded stuff. This thread has gone astray. I started by thinking about how to implement junctions and hard links in an effort to get existing programs to send their disk writes to places other than the SSD. I'm coming to the conclusion that this problem might best be solved by digging a phone out of the junk box and dedicating it as a camera viewer. I could stream to that easily. |
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On 12/15/2018 6:12 AM, John Doe wrote:
mike wrote: SSD and surveillance camera? On the system I'm migrating from win7 to win10 I have a sidebar gadget called "coconutview" which monitors an IP surveillance camera and displays the image. It creates a 22KByte file every second. If my math is correct, that's about 63GB/year times write amplification. Seems like a lot of unnecessary small writes to the SSD. Multiply that by all the other old programs that had no concept of SSD limitations and it seems worth looking into. MicroSD are standard equipment on surveillance cameras. Yes, but how does that help THIS problem? |
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On 12/14/2018 10:46 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , mike wrote: I'd be interested to hear about an IPCAM viewer that can display a compact window without a lot of overhead. I can't use anything that captures images from a live stream. That uses way too much local network bandwidth. most output an mpeg stream, which uses very little bandwidth, however, there are cameras that will upload snapshots at a user-defined interval to a user-defined server (or public) if that's what you want. I really don't want to download (as in store the image somewhere) anything. I want to read the image data and render it to the screen...period. The only reason I care about it being saved is because of disk clutter and SSD life. I run bleachbit about once a week. It typically throws away about half a gigabyte of stuff, mostly in .ie5. As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but it obscures my ability to watch internet access going on in the background. it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local. Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a significant baseline to the graph of network activity. |
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In article , mike
wrote: As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but it obscures my ability to watch internet access going on in the background. it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local. Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a significant baseline to the graph of network activity. then there's something wrong with your network. |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:31:02 -0800, mike wrote:
On 12/15/2018 5:20 AM, Pat wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:35:25 -0800, mike wrote: On 12/14/2018 12:19 PM, Pat wrote: One option would be to use a RAM disk. Then just periodically wipe the files if not needed. I use a RAM disk for camera images and periodically write them to the SSD. There must be a better way for you, though. If you don't want or need the files and your software can't be told to throw the images away, find new software. There are plenty of camera handling packages available for free. Good luck. I'd be interested in particular recommendations for free viewers that don't write to the C: drive, don't put up big windows with lots of frames and buttons and..., and don't require capturing a stream. That wastes way too much local network bandwidth. Do you need video to be displayed or will a periodic "snapshot" do? As nospam said, your camera has the ability to send snapshots when requested to do so. (I also have a few Panasonic cameras). I wrote a program in C# that requests a snapshot from the camera once per second and displays it in a borderless window with no other buttons or controls. In another post you said all you want is "an IPCAM viewer". By coincidence, I named my program IPCam. If you can program in C#, you could write something similar (the tools are free). Mine wouldn't work for you because I get sloppy when writing software for my own use and I embed all sorts of hard coded network address, passwords, and such). Pat I'm a VB6 kinda programmer. Drag and drop... Never did like all the declarations and libraries and pragmas, whatever they are, required just to get to the point you can write the first line of application code. I wrote ONE C program 20 years ago when I just couldn't get interpreted basic to run fast enough. I would be interested in seeing your source code, if you'd be willing to hack out the passwords and email it. I don't have a problem with hard coded stuff. This thread has gone astray. I started by thinking about how to implement junctions and hard links in an effort to get existing programs to send their disk writes to places other than the SSD. I'm coming to the conclusion that this problem might best be solved by digging a phone out of the junk box and dedicating it as a camera viewer. I could stream to that easily. I'll email you something in the next few days. I assume your email address shown above ) is correct. Let me know if it's not. Pat |
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The poster should do a little research and not expect to be spoonfed.
-- mike ham789 netzero.net wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mike ham789 netzero.net Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10 Subject: SSD and surveillance camera? Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:31:31 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 19 Message-ID: pv3vcc$41m$2 dont-email.me References: pv0rci$3s4$1 dont-email.me pv3240$3t0$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 22:31:40 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader01.eternal-september.org; posting-host="adf481a690c72c16b939a5c51929692f"; logging-data="4150"; mail-complaints-to="abuse eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/z7yUDZsekXiKgKUzFUaeA" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:GjsSejB8x7fexpHY5MKDKbkqKZI= In-Reply-To: pv3240$3t0$1 dont-email.me Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org alt.comp.os.windows-10:84103 On 12/15/2018 6:12 AM, John Doe wrote: mike ham789 netzero.net wrote: SSD and surveillance camera? On the system I'm migrating from win7 to win10 I have a sidebar gadget called "coconutview" which monitors an IP surveillance camera and displays the image. It creates a 22KByte file every second. If my math is correct, that's about 63GB/year times write amplification. Seems like a lot of unnecessary small writes to the SSD. Multiply that by all the other old programs that had no concept of SSD limitations and it seems worth looking into. MicroSD are standard equipment on surveillance cameras. Yes, but how does that help THIS problem? |
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On 12/15/2018 4:48 PM, Pat wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:31:02 -0800, mike wrote: On 12/15/2018 5:20 AM, Pat wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:35:25 -0800, mike wrote: On 12/14/2018 12:19 PM, Pat wrote: One option would be to use a RAM disk. Then just periodically wipe the files if not needed. I use a RAM disk for camera images and periodically write them to the SSD. There must be a better way for you, though. If you don't want or need the files and your software can't be told to throw the images away, find new software. There are plenty of camera handling packages available for free. Good luck. I'd be interested in particular recommendations for free viewers that don't write to the C: drive, don't put up big windows with lots of frames and buttons and..., and don't require capturing a stream. That wastes way too much local network bandwidth. Do you need video to be displayed or will a periodic "snapshot" do? As nospam said, your camera has the ability to send snapshots when requested to do so. (I also have a few Panasonic cameras). I wrote a program in C# that requests a snapshot from the camera once per second and displays it in a borderless window with no other buttons or controls. In another post you said all you want is "an IPCAM viewer". By coincidence, I named my program IPCam. If you can program in C#, you could write something similar (the tools are free). Mine wouldn't work for you because I get sloppy when writing software for my own use and I embed all sorts of hard coded network address, passwords, and such). Pat I'm a VB6 kinda programmer. Drag and drop... Never did like all the declarations and libraries and pragmas, whatever they are, required just to get to the point you can write the first line of application code. I wrote ONE C program 20 years ago when I just couldn't get interpreted basic to run fast enough. I would be interested in seeing your source code, if you'd be willing to hack out the passwords and email it. I don't have a problem with hard coded stuff. This thread has gone astray. I started by thinking about how to implement junctions and hard links in an effort to get existing programs to send their disk writes to places other than the SSD. I'm coming to the conclusion that this problem might best be solved by digging a phone out of the junk box and dedicating it as a camera viewer. I could stream to that easily. I'll email you something in the next few days. I assume your email address shown above ) is correct. Let me know if it's not. Pat Yep,it's a valid address. Just don't know how big a file it will allow. If that doesn't work, I have alternatives. Thanks, mike |
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On 12/15/2018 5:00 PM, John Doe wrote:
The poster should do a little research and not expect to be spoonfed. Merry Christmas to you too. May you get all you deserve... |
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On 12/15/2018 4:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , mike wrote: As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but it obscures my ability to watch internet access going on in the background. it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local. Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a significant baseline to the graph of network activity. then there's something wrong with your network. Thanks for the input. Getting my network fixed would be great. Please recommend an app that can graph internet/web activity in real time while ignoring local network traffic. I'm currently using rainmeter, but it doesn't distinguish between types of traffic. |
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Lazy and pitiful...
-- mike ham789 netzero.net wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mike ham789 netzero.net Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam Subject: SSD and surveillance camera? Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:30:01 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 6 Message-ID: pv49r2$lbh$2 dont-email.me References: pv0rci$3s4$1 dont-email.me pv3240$3t0$1 dont-email.me pv3vcc$41m$2 dont-email.me pv483r$et8$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 01:30:10 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader01.eternal-september.org; posting-host="2baecd9f55e11c2f59cf023ef7ed8021"; logging-data="21873"; mail-complaints-to="abuse eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19/U58rX/kfU9zhBNWAV4kJ" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:1ynzdZMEMENgBe3BmgZ9ZZ2SQBc= In-Reply-To: pv483r$et8$1 dont-email.me Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org alt.comp.os.windows-10:84120 free.spam:12008 On 12/15/2018 5:00 PM, John Doe wrote: The poster should do a little research and not expect to be spoonfed. Merry Christmas to you too. May you get all you deserve... |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:59:22 -0800, mike wrote:
On 12/15/2018 4:19 PM, nospam wrote: In article , mike wrote: As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but it obscures my ability to watch internet access going on in the background. it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local. Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a significant baseline to the graph of network activity. then there's something wrong with your network. Thanks for the input. Getting my network fixed would be great. Please recommend an app that can graph internet/web activity in real time while ignoring local network traffic. dd-wrt (alternative router firmware) can do that, but I use a host-based utility called Bandwidth Monitor (http://www.bwmonitor.com/index.htm) that I've configured to show Internet traffic and LAN traffic separately, so that would also do what you want. The utility is free for 30 days, then expensive to buy. (I was able to expense it quite a few years ago or I would have looked elsewhere.) Looks like the cost is still $24.95 for a single license, or $49.95 for 5 licenses. I'm currently using rainmeter, but it doesn't distinguish between types of traffic. Check out item #4 in the Top 11 Benefits of Bandwidth Monitor at the link above. One of the things it can do is show WAN and LAN traffic separately, along with a simultaneous aggregated LAN+WAN view. BWMonitor is rather expensive at a time when everyone expects things to be free, but I think it's completely worth it and its existence might indicate that other cheaper alternatives are out there, waiting to be found. |
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On 12/15/2018 9:05 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:59:22 -0800, mike wrote: On 12/15/2018 4:19 PM, nospam wrote: In article , mike wrote: As for the mpeg stream, my network can easily handle the data rate, but it obscures my ability to watch internet access going on in the background. it should have no effect on internet access since it's entirely local. Read it again. It OBSCURES visibility of internet access by adding a significant baseline to the graph of network activity. then there's something wrong with your network. Thanks for the input. Getting my network fixed would be great. Please recommend an app that can graph internet/web activity in real time while ignoring local network traffic. dd-wrt (alternative router firmware) can do that, I have a dd-wrt router or two in the junkbox. Wasn't aware that I could get real-time on-screen monitoring of sorted network bandwidth out of it without running a browser. but I use a host-based utility called Bandwidth Monitor (http://www.bwmonitor.com/index.htm) that I've configured to show Internet traffic and LAN traffic separately, so that would also do what you want. The utility is free for 30 days, then expensive to buy. (I was able to expense it quite a few years ago or I would have looked elsewhere.) Looks like the cost is still $24.95 for a single license, or $49.95 for 5 licenses. I'm currently using rainmeter, but it doesn't distinguish between types of traffic. Check out item #4 in the Top 11 Benefits of Bandwidth Monitor at the link above. One of the things it can do is show WAN and LAN traffic separately, along with a simultaneous aggregated LAN+WAN view. BWMonitor is rather expensive at a time when everyone expects things to be free, but I think it's completely worth it and its existence might indicate that other cheaper alternatives are out there, waiting to be found. Thanks, but it's more than twice the cost of the SSD I'm trying to lighten the load on. This thread keeps goin' astray. Yes, I could modify a bunch of stuff, but I really wanted to fix the problem that needed fixing so I wouldn't have to do that. I dug out an old tablet and that seems to view the camera just fine. Maybe that's the best option. |
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mike wrote:
[...] Please recommend an app that can graph internet/web activity in real time while ignoring local network traffic. I'm currently using rainmeter, but it doesn't distinguish between types of traffic. I use NetWorx. Highly recommended, but since 1 January 2017 it's payware at $25 for 5 devices. ( I still have the free version.) https://www.softperfect.com/products/networx |
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On 12/16/2018 5:29 AM, mike wrote:
Thanks, but it's more than twice the cost of the SSD I'm trying to lighten the load on. It seems you are trying to lighten the load on the SSD when it may not be necessary. Given how much you plan to write to the SSD, how soon do you expect it to fail? Even if the SSD is only rated for 50 TBW, writing 65GB/yr will take forever to wear it out. Writing 650 TB/year will take 75 years to wear it out. You'd have to find the specs for the SSD you are using, but it is likely wearing it out by storing lots little files is unlikely. |
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joe wrote:
On 12/16/2018 5:29 AM, mike wrote: Thanks, but it's more than twice the cost of the SSD I'm trying to lighten the load on. It seems you are trying to lighten the load on the SSD when it may not be necessary. Given how much you plan to write to the SSD, how soon do you expect it to fail? Even if the SSD is only rated for 50 TBW, writing 65GB/yr will take forever to wear it out. Writing 650 TB/year will take 75 years to wear it out. You'd have to find the specs for the SSD you are using, but it is likely wearing it out by storing lots little files is unlikely. Due to variances in write amplification, writing small files may cause more wear life than if an equivalent amount of "bulk" storage was used. Storing a single gigabyte file on an SSD, is easier on it than storing a million 1KB files. The "percent life remaining" indicator in SMART, will tick down faster in the second case. The TBW rating of a drive, is only a guideline and might well be a rating based on "nice file storage" of the big files. Doing occasional TRIM commands, may help reduce the amount of housekeeping the drive is doing internally when it's getting full, or the drive thinks that "most sectors contain used information". TRIM tells the drive exactly which clusters don't need to be represented in Flash. ******* https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...7-a76c0b450818 "To change the location of the Internet Temp folder, follow the steps given below. Note: That Internet Explorer moves cookies to the new folder and the old folder is removed. Additionally, the following message is displayed when you attempt to move the Temporary Internet Files folder: Warning: Moving the location of your Temporary Internet Files folder will delete all your subscription data. 1. Create a new folder to store the files. For example, if you want to store the files in a folder named Ietemp on drive D, create the following folder: D:\Ietemp For information about how to create a folder, click Start, click Help, click the Index tab, type new folder, and then double-click the "New Folders" topic. 1. Start Internet Explorer. 2. On the Tools menu, click Internet Options. 3. On the General tab, click Settings. 4. Click Move Folder. 5. Click the folder you created in Step 1. 6. Click OK, click OK, and then click OK again. 7. Restart your computer " For storage, you can set up a small RAM drive. The free version of this one, is limited to 1GB in size. Which is sufficient for an IE temp. http://memory.dataram.com/products-a...ftware/ramdisk You don't need it to be persistent. It can be set up to load an "empty" image of a file system at start. (So the freshly created RAMDrive at boot will have a drive letter, before the rubber hits the road.) The only trick is, dealing with cases where it didn't start in time perhaps, and then there is no D: when the rest of the OS was expecting such. That one behaves well most of the time. However, a Windows 10 OS upgrade, requires the user to go into Programs and Features and "repair" the RAMDisk install for it to work again. (I have the paid version of that program.) Paul |
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