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I read the individual messages in the threads that I see in the order in
which they were posted. I read the messages individually if they all exist. If all of the messages do not exist, I read as much as I can in the messages that do exist and then read whatever else in the replies that have not been snipped. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes MS-MVP Windows Shell/User In , Gordon hunted and pecked: Wesley Vogel wrote: My whole point was that top posting is all a matter of personal choice. So you read books, magazines and newspapers from the bottom up? Cool! |
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Gordon wrote:
Wesley Vogel wrote: My whole point was that top posting is all a matter of personal choice. So you read books, magazines and newspapers from the bottom up? Cool! And you re-read every post down to the bottom to find out what the poster has to add? Or maybe when you engage in a discussion the one who speaks has to repeat everything that was said previously before he adds his point of view? These groups are also called "discussion" groups, posting on top has a more natural flow to the discussion. It's a tempest in a teapot, the only thing worse than top/bottom posting nagging are sermons from reformed alcoholics, ex-smokers and born again Christians! John |
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Wes
You left out the bit they should have said but did not. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message ... I read the individual messages in the threads that I see in the order in which they were posted. I read the messages individually if they all exist. If all of the messages do not exist, I read as much as I can in the messages that do exist and then read whatever else in the replies that have not been snipped. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes MS-MVP Windows Shell/User In , Gordon hunted and pecked: Wesley Vogel wrote: My whole point was that top posting is all a matter of personal choice. So you read books, magazines and newspapers from the bottom up? Cool! |
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Well some read from right to left. Who am I
to say they should not. -- ~~~~ Gerry ~~~~~~~~ Enquire, plan and execute. Stourport, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Gordon" wrote in message ... Tom Willett wrote: Apples and oranges, you netnanny troll. So you read books, magazines and newspapers from the bottom up as well? Cool! |
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Wes
I missed out three words in that post. It was meant to say: The previous message in the thread in Outlook Express is above not below. Not to worry they carried on fighting each other. Actually are news readers off topic in this newsgroup? -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snipped. |
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Wes
Doesn't work within a single conversation. Is that contrary to some obscure Usenet convention? -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message ... Click the Sent header to sort the other direction. ;-) |
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Was the year by any chance 1984.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four Just a thought. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Leythos" wrote in message ... If Usenet has not changed in that 20 years, and the only real change is the introduction of Usenet clients that don't follow the norms/standards, then isn't the problem really the broken clients? |
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Ken
I flag posts and have a good memory for what has passed.. if it has been awhile, I read back "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: Ken I always look at the post directly preceding, assuming that I do not have to scroll down much.. I also tend to read all threads in a bid to ascertain what has been suggested already.. kind of like starting at page one.. Many newsgroup participants, including me, do not view already-read messages. They are no longer there to see, so I do not have the choice of looking at the previous messages in the thread. If I chose to set my newsreader to view already -read messages, I would have far more messages to have to scroll through each day, and it would take me much longer to do so. I'm not interested in doing that. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Wesley Vogel wrote: I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out what the top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up to read the reply. The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with whether one top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming what's not relevant to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots of irrelevant quoted material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able to understand your reply. If you trim adequately, your reply is generally easy to find, read, and understand, whether it's on the top or the bottom. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Many more threads and this will reach back to 1984.. :-)
"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message ... Was the year by any chance 1984. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four Just a thought. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Leythos" wrote in message ... If Usenet has not changed in that 20 years, and the only real change is the introduction of Usenet clients that don't follow the norms/standards, then isn't the problem really the broken clients? |
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John John wrote:
And you re-read every post down to the bottom to find out what the poster has to add? No, but if the poser QUOTES as per Usenet custom, they quote the question first and the reply underneath, so you read the QUESTION first, and the REPLY second. Answer: because it's illogical Question: Why is top posting not cool? See? |
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Gerry Cornell wrote:
Well some read from right to left. Who am I to say they should not. Now who's doing apples and oranges? they STILL read top to bottom, NOT bottom to top. I sure hope you don't audit bottom to top...... |
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Mike
Leythos Circa 470 BC might be more like it! Middle figure in section under Ancient Greece: http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q...-US&FORM=CVRE2 Quite obscure. Remember people at that time thought the world was flat! Top posting to one steeped in the traditions of the past must be like sailing past the Pillars of Hercules to a Greek mariner of that time. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in message ... Many more threads and this will reach back to 1984.. :-) "Leythos" wrote in message ... If Usenet has not changed in that 20 years, and the only real change is the introduction of Usenet clients that don't follow the norms/standards, then isn't the problem really the broken clients? |
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Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:20:04 -0700 from Wesley Vogel 123WVogel955
@comcast.net: My whole point was that top, bottom or interspersed posting is all a matter of personal choice. Well, yes, and so are many things -- but that does not mean that all choices are equally valid. It is a matter of personal choice to smoke or not. Nonetheless it is rude to smoke among non-smokers without first asking and receiving permission. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:27:48 -0500 from Leythos :
I think the point is that OE and some Web interfaces for Usenet don't follow the standards that have not change and that the Usenet service has not change in 20+ years. What has changed during those 20+ years is the addition of broken interfaces from MS and web based interfaces (mostly poor interfaces) to Usenet. One other thing has change, the addition of people that believe the world revolves around them and to heck with all of the proper methods/standards that make this medium easy and consistent. When this subject path comes up, there is always someone that feels it is people trying to impose their will on others, when, in reality, it's just a sign of disrespect for wanting to put ones own desires over the rest of the communities standards and methods. aol Very well put! /aol -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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Stan
Are you saying that in a Microsoft newsgroup subscribers should ask permission before bottom posting? I can't see that happening! -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stan Brown wrote: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:20:04 -0700 from Wesley Vogel 123WVogel955 @comcast.net: My whole point was that top, bottom or interspersed posting is all a matter of personal choice. Well, yes, and so are many things -- but that does not mean that all choices are equally valid. It is a matter of personal choice to smoke or not. Nonetheless it is rude to smoke among non-smokers without first asking and receiving permission. |
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