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"JJ" wrote

| No. I'm only saying that the menu works on Edge and IE11, and you don't
have
| to block visitors when they use Edge/IE11.
|
| If you don't have Win10 for testing, why did you claim that it won't work
on
| Edge/IE11?
|

You sound like a man who's stopped to oversee the
building of a highrise based on his expertise in having
built his own doghouse.

It can't work in the IE version of the webpages.
They use VBScript for the menus and Microsoft
removed VBS support from Edge. So they don't
and can't work. Period. Did you think I was just
making that up for fun? Did it even occur to
you that there might possibly be details here that
you don't know?

Even if the script worked, the IE pages are coded
for IE "quirks mode", which Edge also doesn't support.

So the IE version of my site won't work in Edge.

Could the non-IE version of the webpages work in
Edge? Maybe. But I can't test them. Your posting
of a picture of half of a homepage loaded in IE11
is not testing. Edge would need to render everything
exactly as mainstream browsers do.

Could I rewrite the IE-version menus in javascript?
Yes. But I'm not very good with javascript. It would
take some time and research. And I still have no way to
test whether Edge can display the IE pages properly.
It probably can't.

So this gets back to the original issue: Microsoft
have broken compatibility with their own browser
to make a browser that can't even be installed on
their own OS. That browser has a market share of
2-4% on desktop and virtually none on phones and
tablets, since Win10 phones and tablets are virtually
non-existent. So it's not worth trying to support it.
The sooner Win10 users understand that, the easier
their life will be. Edge is not a mainstream browser.
It never can be unless and until Microsoft create
an actual software program that can actually install
it on computers. (Even then it won't have much
chance unless MS can do what they did with IE --
create a monopoly market and then break compatibility
with the rest of the Web.)

All I can say is that I apologize and that I'm deeply
sorry and, in fact, brimming with remorse that only
2 of the 3 browsers you use will work to download
free stuff from my website.

On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 10:34:43 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

You sound like a man who's stopped to oversee the
building of a highrise based on his expertise in having
built his own doghouse.

It can't work in the IE version of the webpages.

That's because the menu isn't provided in the IE version of the page.

They use VBScript for the menus and Microsoft
removed VBS support from Edge. So they don't
and can't work.

IE doesn't have only VBScript. IE do have JScript. A mostly-compatible
version of JavaScript. But this has nothing to do with the menu because the
menu doesn't even use any script in order to work.

Even if the script worked, the IE pages are coded
for IE "quirks mode", which Edge also doesn't support.

Avoid the Quirk mode. Specify the document type by inserting below line as
the first line of the HTML.

!DOCTYPE html

That'll tell browsers not to switch to Quirk mode.

However, IE6 and older, including all browsers which aren't aware of the
Standard mode, will still be in Quirk mode or their own Quirk-style mode.
This can't be helped, because most of these browsers don't have enough
compatibility with HTML/CSS standards.

Could the non-IE version of the webpages work in
Edge? Maybe. But I can't test them. Your posting
of a picture of half of a homepage loaded in IE11
is not testing. Edge would need to render everything
exactly as mainstream browsers do.

You can test your site from below website. You can choose any OS and
browsers, except Windows XP with IE6.

https://www.browserling.com/

Could I rewrite the IE-version menus in javascript?
Yes. But I'm not very good with javascript. It would
take some time and research. And I still have no way to
test whether Edge can display the IE pages properly.
It probably can't.

A website doesn't require any script in order to provide content. The menu
is a good example for that.

So this gets back to the original issue: Microsoft
have broken compatibility with their own browser
to make a browser that can't even be installed on
their own OS.

The sooner Win10 users understand that, the easier
their life will be. Edge is not a mainstream browser.
It never can be unless and until Microsoft create
an actual software program that can actually install
it on computers. (Even then it won't have much
chance unless MS can do what they did with IE --
create a monopoly market and then break compatibility
with the rest of the Web.)

All I can say is that I apologize and that I'm deeply
sorry and, in fact, brimming with remorse that only
2 of the 3 browsers you use will work to download
free stuff from my website.

That's true for Edge. Even IE starting from version 9, can't be installed
into Windows XP.

But IE starting from version 7, supports Standard mode. It's not perfect,
but it's still usable. An alternative CSS is all it needs to give the exact
same result as Chrome or Firefox.

With IE9, Microsoft forces users to use Windows Vista. And with Edge,
Microsoft forces users to use Windows 10. Even though it's possible for
Microsoft to make Edge/IE9 to work on older Windows.

Won't that mean you did the same thing as Microsoft? Forcing users to use
other browser. Even though it's possible to make a website which works on
older browsers.

"JJ" wrote

|
| That's because the menu isn't provided in the IE version of the page.
|

Wrong. You're jumping to mistaken conclusions
based on limited information.

| But this has nothing to do with the menu because the
| menu doesn't even use any script in order to work.
|

Again, you're jumping to mistaken conclusions
based on limited information, yet you're certain you
know more about my webpage code than I do.
I tried to explain it. I'm done.

| Avoid the Quirk mode. Specify the document type by inserting below line as
| the first line of the HTML.
|
| !DOCTYPE html
|

Sounds great. Then I can write a different webpage
for each version of IE. Look at any large, commercial
site and that's usually what you'll see. Here's a typical
example, from BBC. It specs different CSS for each IE
version because they're all incompatible with each
other.... unless you use quirks mode:

!--[if (lt IE 9) & (!IEMobile)]
![if (IE 8)]
header id="orb-banner" role="banner" class="orb-old-ie orb-ie8"
aria-label="BBC"
![endif]

![if (IE 7)]
header id="orb-banner" role="banner" class="orb-old-ie orb-ie7"
aria-label="BBC"
![endif]

![if (IE 6)]
header id="orb-banner" role="banner" class="orb-old-ie orb-ie6"
aria-label="BBC"
![endif] But if you say it's better not to use quirks mode
then that's OK with me. I'll begin work on your version
of the website as soon as your check clears.

You seem to be a quick thinking genius expert,
and probably the smartest wiseacre at the local
VFW barroom after 9 PM on most nights. Maybe you
should make your own website and then you can
implement all these bright ideas you have. And please
do let us know the URL. I want to try it in Konqueror.