A Windows XP help forum. PCbanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » PCbanter forum » Microsoft Windows 7 » Windows 7 Forum
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows



 
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old November 17th 18, 03:48 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,226
Default Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows

Arlen_Holder wrote:
Hi Frank,
Happy Armistice Day!

I wish to attempt your freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows.

The reason I want to attempt it is:
o To be able to back up Android to Windows more efficiently, and,
o To better understand the solution you keep saying I have ignored, and,


Not that it matters much, but I don't think I said that.

o To document your solution so that _everyone_ can benefit (as always).

Since I'm different than almost everyone here in that when I can do
something, I make sure _everyone_ can do it too, this will have benefits to
everyone - and not just me - especially if it has rsync-like capabilities
to back up only those files which have changed during interim automated
backups.

What do I/we need to do, Frank, to run your proposed solution to:
o Back up the entire visible file system (or select chunks),
o Automatically, if possible (manually if not),
o Using freeware which, if possible, only backs up changed files.


For obvious reasons, I didn't see your post until now (when I was
looking up some newsreader functionality in Thunderbird which gave me an
unfiltered view).

You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.

news
Ads
  #2  
Old November 17th 18, 09:14 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
arlen michael holder
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 48
Default Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows

On 17 Nov 2018 14:48:31 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Not that it matters much, but I don't think I said that.


Hi Frank,
Happy mid-month Nanowrimo party day!

You clearly said you had a solution that I "ignored".

Since the only "solutions" I ignore are those that are (a) in-feasible or
(b) imaginary, I simply asked you for your solution.

So I could test it out for myself.

As you know, I only care about actual solutions.
You know, the real ones.

The ones that actually work on a computer (& not only in the ether).

And, as you are well aware, most of the trolls have only imaginary
solutions, e.g., like those Diesel or Nil or nospam or Snit or ... (the
list goes on and on and on).

You are aware that I only speak facts, and that I back up my facts, with
references, cites, quotes, snapshots, tutorials, comparisons, etc.

It takes a _lot_ of effort to do that, Frank ... but I do it because:
o I care that people get the facts, and,
o I care about my credibility (I have never once been shown to be wrong).

When it comes to facts, Frank, I'm always (almost) always right.
Simply because facts are funny that way.
Everyone (who possesses an adult mind) agrees on facts.

Some facts are contentious only in that the proof is sketchy, e.g., the
Mpemba effect, as just one example.

But most facts we speak about on Usenet aren't that difficult to prove.

Only people like Diesel have that problem, where
o Their imaginary solutions are kept only to them, and, where
o They won't tell us unless we _beg_ them for the solution, and even then
o They want to "make us work" for that solution, and, even then,

Sigh. The number of imaginary solutions outnumbers real ones by a lot!

So let's try out your solution, Frank, since you did say I "ignored" it,
did you not?

You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.

news


Given that message id, and planting it into the search engine...
Message-ID: news
What am I doing wrong in searching to find it?
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2544251howardknight.jpg

Am I working hard enough yet for your solution Frank?

(Why can't you simply post the URL to it like I always do?)
http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android
http://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com

Did you _test_ that Message ID Frank? Or did I paste it in wrong?
  #3  
Old November 17th 18, 09:29 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Alek
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 619
Default Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing upAndroid to Windows

Frank Slootweg wrote on 11/17/2018 9:48 AM:

You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.

news


Not sure how to use this link.
  #4  
Old November 17th 18, 09:34 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
nospam
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,718
Default Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows

In article , Alek
wrote:


You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.

news


Not sure how to use this link.


click on it, and it will show the post.
  #5  
Old November 17th 18, 09:39 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Alek
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 619
Default Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing upAndroid to Windows

Never mind. I found the 10/22 post.

Alek wrote on 11/17/2018 3:29 PM:
Frank Slootweg wrote on 11/17/2018 9:48 AM:

You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.

news


Not sure how to use this link.

  #6  
Old November 17th 18, 10:14 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,226
Default [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL. (was: Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows)

arlen michael holder wrote:
On 17 Nov 2018 14:48:31 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Not that it matters much, but I don't think I said that.


Hi Frank,
Happy mid-month Nanowrimo party day!

You clearly said you had a solution that I "ignored".


As I said in the other thread where you posted crap about me [1],
you're confusing two different and totally unrelated topics.

[1]

Subject: Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.ge neral]

[Usual obnoxious, pompous and *incorrect* ****tery deleted.]

You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.

news


Given that message id, and planting it into the search engine...
Message-ID: news


It's a news URL. The message-ID is the part after 'news:'.

I've asked you before if you knew what a news URL is. You dodged the
question and hence missed an opportunity to learn. So now you failed
again. There's a lesson there somewhere.

So here we go:

A news URL can have several formats. The format used here is:

news:message-ID

'' and '' are the normal URL delimiters.

'news:' indicates that it's a news (NetNews) URL, in the same vein
(sp?) as 'http:' indicates a 'web' URL.

Note that I spelled 'message-ID' with a lower case 'm', because it is
the *content* of the 'Message-ID:' header, not the name of the header.

It's less ambiguous to use 'news:MID', but if one uses that, most
people ask "What does 'MID' mean?" and the whole thing starts over
again.

So specifically:

The header in my post is:

Message-ID:

From that we take the 'message-ID/MID':



And now we convert the 'message-ID/MID' into a news URL by
inserting/prepending 'news:':

news
Which is what I gave you.

What am I doing wrong in searching to find it?
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2544251howardknight.jpg


You left the 'news:' bit in.

Am I working hard enough yet for your solution Frank?


Don't be a prat! With your attitude, there's no justification for you
to try to be funny.

(Why can't you simply post the URL to it like I always do?)
http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android
http://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com


Because it's a news URL, there's no need to search for it, because
your newsreader should be able to show it to you (assuming it's not
expired from your news server). Figure that, a newsreader actually
showing news articles! What *will* they think of next!? A webbrowser
showing webpages!?

Like for a web ('http:') URL, you don't search for it, you just
'execute' it. Same thing with a news URL.

In your defense, but not an excuse for dodging my question: You're not
the only one who doesn't know how handle a news URL or/and how to look
up an article with their newsreader, given a news URL.

If you're still using Dialog as your newsreader 'behind the scenes',
look in it's documenation on how to lookup/display an article via/from a
news URL or ask in news.software readers.

Moral: Despite your usual drawing first blood, I spent cinsiderable
time and effort to teach you stuff which you didn't know. Now show to
appreciate my effort.
  #7  
Old November 17th 18, 10:58 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,226
Default Let's attempt Frank Slootweg's freeware solution for backing up Android to Windows

Alek wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote on 11/17/2018 9:48 AM:

You apparently missed - or don't remember - my recent (October 22)
response to you about what I use to backup my Android devices, so here's
the news URL of my post. And yes, it ticks all your boxes. Have fun.

news


Not sure how to use this link.


I see that you've found the article, but for future use, see my "[OT]
How to use a 'news:' URL." response in this thread.
  #8  
Old November 17th 18, 11:54 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
arlen michael holder
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 48
Default [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

On 17 Nov 2018 21:14:55 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Moral: Despite your usual drawing first blood, I spent cinsiderable
time and effort to teach you stuff which you didn't know. Now show to
appreciate my effort.


Hi Frank Slootweg,
Thanks for explaining the news:url syntax which I have never used prior.

As you're well aware, my "usenet reader" is "vi" (now gVim) written
years ago, using scripts, so the actual posting is done, literally,
via "telnet" to a port such as 119.

I agree with you that, for most people, that "news:url" should be
sufficient, where I would expect no more of you than that URL, I agree.

While I haven't touched a newsreader in years, I installed one which asked:
o What do you want to do with this message id?
a. Locally search for this MsgID in all groups?
b. Locate article at Google Groups
c. Try to retrieve this article from a newsserver

With your helpful clarification, I was able to find the article using:

Which, on Howard Knight's lookup, brought me to:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cpql56t.8k8.1%40I D-201911.user.individual.net%3E

Once I had that URL, I could construct a conventional URL:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FsRRoQbdKeo/biXD3Zv0AwAJ

Which brings us to this exact post using a conventional URL:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FsRRoQbdKeo/raXereNjBwAJ

As you know, I always follow the maxim:
o If a poster acts like an adult, I treat them as an adult
o If a poster acts like a child, I treat them as a child

I don't have to prove they act like a child; all I do it point out that
what they write proves they act like a child.

You see Frank, one thing I _know_ is _always_ a fact, is that I'm a mirror.
You (and many Usenet posters) don't believe this, and yet, you can't find a
single instance in my thousands of posts where I "drew first blood".

You _always_ say that, Frank - and I _always_ prove you're wrong.
Just like you were just now Frank.

Since I'm an adult, I simply provide facts proving what I say is a fact:

In that thread, organized the way Google does (so it's reproducible):
o Post 1: Arlen; What do you use to backup & share your installed apps?
o Post 2: visiblink; Thanks for the references to APK Extractor
o Post 3: Cresswell; +1 for APK Extractor
o Post 4: Frank; +1 because it saves the APKs in the Download folder!
o Post 5: Frank; I use Astro which does the same
o Post 6: Arlen; More information and links and detilas & focus on the OP
o Post 7: Arlen; Update, limitations of the F-Droid APK Extrator
o Post 8: Frank; *Nope, the "doubly stupid" here is you*.

Do you see facts Frank?
Or are facts always invisible to you, Frank?

You're like the guy who gets a speeding ticket who blames the cops.
You're like the bank robber who blames the news for publishing his crime.

Who _always_ "draws first blood" Frank?
HINT: It's _never_ me. It's _always_ you, Frank.
I simply "respond" to what you write.

Let's move forward, in facts, like *adults* do.

Post 9: Arlen; Instead of playing silly games, I prefer to move forward
Post 10: Arlen; More details to supplement the previous post of details
Post 11: Frank; "*You*, OTOH *are* playing *stupid* games, by trying to
dodge this issue of not reading / not learning and trying to divert to your
ever so stupid game of drawing first blood. "

Wow. Look at this. Again, you *again* out of the blue call me names and
accuse me of "drawing first blood" when I expressly avoided your childish
comments and stayed perfectly on topic.

Now Frank, I don't care about the name calling (that's just childish); but
what I care about are facts.

You _always_ say I "draw first blood" and yet, the proof I provide _always_
shows that _you_ do it. Not me.

You know why I know the proof will _always_ do that?
HINT: I have a strategy in Usenet and tactics that follow it.
Part of those tactics are to treat adults like adults, Frank.

Let's move on with the facts, shall we?
Post 12: visiblink; helpful information about ragib.appbackup.pro
Post 13: Arlen; helpful information about sharing data
Post 14: Arlen; thanks to visiblink & helpful supporting links
Post 15: Frank; Have a look at: 'SyncMe Wireless'

OK Frank. After you "drawing first blood" twice, you _finally_ add a
purposefully helpful comment, or so it seems.

However, if we _look_ at this syncme wireless supposed "solution", which
one look at in the home page says that it's useless since it has so many
*obvious* flaws, that it only takes seconds to ditch it out of hand.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bv.wifisync
1. It has _nothing_ to to with generating a list of installed apps
2. It has _nothing_ to do with packaging them up as APKs
3. It has _nothing_ to do with sharing that list of URLs with others
4. It is limited to a shared folder(s?) on your PC
- You press "Add Computer"
- It scans for computers but fails on "Netbios" (predictably), saying
"Netbios name not available (port 137 is blocked)"
"Sync may not function properly"
5. This message goes on for about 250 IP addresses...
192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4, 192.168.1.5, ... 192.168.1.253
6. I run an ipconfig on the desktop, which reports 192.168.1.22
7. I enter the following into the SyncMe Wireless GUI:
Computer Name: 192.168.1.22
Domain: 192.168.1.22
User: uname
Password: passwd
8. I press "OK"; it says
"Validating computer information, it may take a few seconds"
9. It says: "Connection reset"
10. I try again (sometimes, with computers that matters), but it says:
"Unexpected error class java.to.StreamCorruptedException"

I'll post screenshots later as I have to go somewhere... (the wife is
calling me)...
  #9  
Old November 18th 18, 01:53 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Alek
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 619
Default [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

PLEASE STOP, YOU TWO!!!

arlen michael holder wrote on 11/17/2018 5:54 PM:
On 17 Nov 2018 21:14:55 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Moral: Despite your usual drawing first blood, I spent cinsiderable
time and effort to teach you stuff which you didn't know. Now show to
appreciate my effort.


Hi Frank Slootweg,
Thanks for explaining the news:url syntax which I have never used prior.

As you're well aware, my "usenet reader" is "vi" (now gVim) written
years ago, using scripts, so the actual posting is done, literally,
via "telnet" to a port such as 119.

I agree with you that, for most people, that "news:url" should be
sufficient, where I would expect no more of you than that URL, I agree.

While I haven't touched a newsreader in years, I installed one which asked:
o What do you want to do with this message id?
a. Locally search for this MsgID in all groups?
b. Locate article at Google Groups
c. Try to retrieve this article from a newsserver

With your helpful clarification, I was able to find the article using:

Which, on Howard Knight's lookup, brought me to:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cpql56t.8k8.1%40I D-201911.user.individual.net%3E

Once I had that URL, I could construct a conventional URL:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FsRRoQbdKeo/biXD3Zv0AwAJ

Which brings us to this exact post using a conventional URL:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FsRRoQbdKeo/raXereNjBwAJ

As you know, I always follow the maxim:
o If a poster acts like an adult, I treat them as an adult
o If a poster acts like a child, I treat them as a child

I don't have to prove they act like a child; all I do it point out that
what they write proves they act like a child.

You see Frank, one thing I _know_ is _always_ a fact, is that I'm a mirror.
You (and many Usenet posters) don't believe this, and yet, you can't find a
single instance in my thousands of posts where I "drew first blood".

You _always_ say that, Frank - and I _always_ prove you're wrong.
Just like you were just now Frank.

Since I'm an adult, I simply provide facts proving what I say is a fact:

In that thread, organized the way Google does (so it's reproducible):
o Post 1: Arlen; What do you use to backup & share your installed apps?
o Post 2: visiblink; Thanks for the references to APK Extractor
o Post 3: Cresswell; +1 for APK Extractor
o Post 4: Frank; +1 because it saves the APKs in the Download folder!
o Post 5: Frank; I use Astro which does the same
o Post 6: Arlen; More information and links and detilas & focus on the OP
o Post 7: Arlen; Update, limitations of the F-Droid APK Extrator
o Post 8: Frank; *Nope, the "doubly stupid" here is you*.

Do you see facts Frank?
Or are facts always invisible to you, Frank?

You're like the guy who gets a speeding ticket who blames the cops.
You're like the bank robber who blames the news for publishing his crime.

Who _always_ "draws first blood" Frank?
HINT: It's _never_ me. It's _always_ you, Frank.
I simply "respond" to what you write.

Let's move forward, in facts, like *adults* do.

Post 9: Arlen; Instead of playing silly games, I prefer to move forward
Post 10: Arlen; More details to supplement the previous post of details
Post 11: Frank; "*You*, OTOH *are* playing *stupid* games, by trying to
dodge this issue of not reading / not learning and trying to divert to your
ever so stupid game of drawing first blood. "

Wow. Look at this. Again, you *again* out of the blue call me names and
accuse me of "drawing first blood" when I expressly avoided your childish
comments and stayed perfectly on topic.

Now Frank, I don't care about the name calling (that's just childish); but
what I care about are facts.

You _always_ say I "draw first blood" and yet, the proof I provide _always_
shows that _you_ do it. Not me.

You know why I know the proof will _always_ do that?
HINT: I have a strategy in Usenet and tactics that follow it.
Part of those tactics are to treat adults like adults, Frank.

Let's move on with the facts, shall we?
Post 12: visiblink; helpful information about ragib.appbackup.pro
Post 13: Arlen; helpful information about sharing data
Post 14: Arlen; thanks to visiblink & helpful supporting links
Post 15: Frank; Have a look at: 'SyncMe Wireless'

OK Frank. After you "drawing first blood" twice, you _finally_ add a
purposefully helpful comment, or so it seems.

However, if we _look_ at this syncme wireless supposed "solution", which
one look at in the home page says that it's useless since it has so many
*obvious* flaws, that it only takes seconds to ditch it out of hand.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bv.wifisync
1. It has _nothing_ to to with generating a list of installed apps
2. It has _nothing_ to do with packaging them up as APKs
3. It has _nothing_ to do with sharing that list of URLs with others
4. It is limited to a shared folder(s?) on your PC
- You press "Add Computer"
- It scans for computers but fails on "Netbios" (predictably), saying
"Netbios name not available (port 137 is blocked)"
"Sync may not function properly"
5. This message goes on for about 250 IP addresses...
192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4, 192.168.1.5, ... 192.168.1.253
6. I run an ipconfig on the desktop, which reports 192.168.1.22
7. I enter the following into the SyncMe Wireless GUI:
Computer Name: 192.168.1.22
Domain: 192.168.1.22
User: uname
Password: passwd
8. I press "OK"; it says
"Validating computer information, it may take a few seconds"
9. It says: "Connection reset"
10. I try again (sometimes, with computers that matters), but it says:
"Unexpected error class java.to.StreamCorruptedException"

I'll post screenshots later as I have to go somewhere... (the wife is
calling me)...

  #10  
Old November 18th 18, 04:27 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
arlen michael holder
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 48
Default [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:54:25 -0000 (UTC), arlen michael holder wrote:

I'll post screenshots later as I have to go somewhere..


Since I only deal with reality, here are the screenshots:
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4423528syncme01.jpg

Downloaded and installed...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bv.wifisync
"Copy, move, sync and backup your mp3, pictures and documents
over WiFi, USB tethering, cellular VPN or wired network
to your computer or NAS device."

These are the errors I get using SyncMe on my network:
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8394922syncme02.jpg

Yes, the desktops each have a shared folder with login known to me.
  #11  
Old November 18th 18, 04:57 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,679
Default [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

In message , Alek
writes:
PLEASE STOP, YOU TWO!!!


+1!

arlen michael holder wrote on 11/17/2018 5:54 PM:
On 17 Nov 2018 21:14:55 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Imagine a world with no hypothetical situations...
  #12  
Old November 18th 18, 05:14 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
arlen michael holder
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 48
Default [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 03:57:02 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

+1!


Hi J. P. Gilliver,

What would _you_ do, if someone repeatedly...
o Begins the insults
o And then accuses _you_ of being one who began the insults?

Bear in mind, the circumstances are that you _never_ begin the insults.
Hence, that person _always_ begins the insults (in every single instance!).

And yet, repeatedly, that person accuses _you_ of beginning the insults!

What would _you_ do, in that case, John?

HINT: What I did was simply go to the thread, post by post, to prove that
it's _always_ that other person who does _exactly_ what that other person
accuses me of.

Most of the time I just ignore it.
But that just emboldens the other person to accuse me of doing what _they_
are doing (time and again).

*What would _you_ do, John, if this happened time and time and time again?*
  #13  
Old November 18th 18, 08:14 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,226
Default [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

arlen michael holder wrote:

[...]

I'm out of here. I can well do without your continuous
misrepresentations, outright lies, insults, 'justification' of your
abuse, etc., etc. ad infinitum.

Just one short and final remark which hopefully makes you see how far
off track you are at - sadly many - times:

[...]

Post 15: Frank; Have a look at: 'SyncMe Wireless'

[...]
However, if we _look_ at this syncme wireless supposed "solution", which
one look at in the home page says that it's useless since it has so many
*obvious* flaws, that it only takes seconds to ditch it out of hand.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bv.wifisync
1. It has _nothing_ to to with generating a list of installed apps
2. It has _nothing_ to do with packaging them up as APKs
3. It has _nothing_ to do with sharing that list of URLs with others


Earth to 'Arlen': My post *started* with:

quote

[This response is not about backing up APKs, but about backup/syncing in
general:]

/quote

See the word "not"!? So *of course* it wasn't about 1./2./3.. I *said*
it wasn't about that!

[...]

EOD.
  #14  
Old November 18th 18, 08:31 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Alek
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 619
Default [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL.

IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE!

arlen michael holder wrote on 11/18/2018 11:14 AM:
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 03:57:02 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

+1!


Hi J. P. Gilliver,

What would _you_ do, if someone repeatedly...
o Begins the insults
o And then accuses _you_ of being one who began the insults?

Bear in mind, the circumstances are that you _never_ begin the insults.
Hence, that person _always_ begins the insults (in every single instance!).

And yet, repeatedly, that person accuses _you_ of beginning the insults!

What would _you_ do, in that case, John?

HINT: What I did was simply go to the thread, post by post, to prove that
it's _always_ that other person who does _exactly_ what that other person
accuses me of.

Most of the time I just ignore it.
But that just emboldens the other person to accuse me of doing what _they_
are doing (time and again).

*What would _you_ do, John, if this happened time and time and time again?*

  #15  
Old November 18th 18, 09:54 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.freeware,alt.windows7.general
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,356
Default [OT] How to use a 'news:' URL

On 17/11/2018 22.14, Frank Slootweg wrote:
arlen michael holder wrote:



(Trimming uninteresting (to me) stuff)


....
news

....
It's a news URL. The message-ID is the part after 'news:'.

I've asked you before if you knew what a news URL is. You dodged the
question and hence missed an opportunity to learn. So now you failed
again. There's a lesson there somewhere.

So here we go:

A news URL can have several formats. The format used here is:

news:message-ID

'' and '' are the normal URL delimiters.

'news:' indicates that it's a news (NetNews) URL, in the same vein
(sp?) as 'http:' indicates a 'web' URL.

Note that I spelled 'message-ID' with a lower case 'm', because it is
the *content* of the 'Message-ID:' header, not the name of the header.

It's less ambiguous to use 'news:MID', but if one uses that, most
people ask "What does 'MID' mean?" and the whole thing starts over
again.

So specifically:

The header in my post is:

Message-ID:

From that we take the 'message-ID/MID':



And now we convert the 'message-ID/MID' into a news URL by
inserting/prepending 'news:':

news
Which is what I gave you.


Thanks :-)


I knew most of that, but not in explicit form.

I'm not new to "nntp", but I'm not an old hand here - mainly because I
did not have a modem nor a phone line to use it with till nearly this
century, so the explanation is interesting to me.


....
Because it's a news URL, there's no need to search for it, because
your newsreader should be able to show it to you (assuming it's not
expired from your news server). Figure that, a newsreader actually
showing news articles! What *will* they think of next!? A webbrowser
showing webpages!?

Like for a web ('http:') URL, you don't search for it, you just
'execute' it. Same thing with a news URL.


Ok, this is interesting to me. How do I tell my news reader,
Thunderbird, to find a message by knowing the URL? Because my
Thunderbird can only search (quick filter button) by "sender",
"recipient", or "subject". The body is not downloaded, so it can not
actually search there, it finds nothing. The button for "body" is there,
but does not work.

If Thunderbird caches contents (mine does not), then it searches bodies.


Instead, as I use Leafnode as local nntp proxy, I can go to
"/var/spool/news/message.id/*", where the "*" goes from "000" to "999".
Then I can use "find" or "mc" to find a particular file (as I do not
know how to deduce the "*" number).

So searching for file "pspvm9.7tc.1*" (yes, with the '' included) I
may be lucky and find it - but it will only search in my local copy, not
on my "provider" news spool; thus if the message is old and thus purged
I will not find it.


Not found, after four minutes - I forgot to untick "using shell
patterns" in "mc", the '' in the filename interferes.

Searching instead for "*pql56t.8k8*" finds it.

It is this file:



and now I can read it, but not in any news reader, but in "mc".


Do you have some direct method to find a news url more directly,
preferably searching directly on outside news server, not my local
cached copy?



In your defense, but not an excuse for dodging my question: You're not
the only one who doesn't know how handle a news URL or/and how to look
up an article with their newsreader, given a news URL.



Well, I go to Edit/Find/search messages, select "message-ID", then enter
the MID, and tick "run search on server" (an option I did not see years
before), then it does the search fast enough.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off






All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 PCbanter.
The comments are property of their posters.