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  #46  
Old December 24th 07, 06:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Default registry cleaner and back up

Linda W wrote:
Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?



Yes, registry cleaners are all a scam.


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  #47  
Old December 24th 07, 06:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Default Registry Cleaner

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
CCleaner is very helpful in this respect.



No, it is not. It''s not better than any of the other snake oil scams
available.


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Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
  #48  
Old December 24th 07, 06:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Ken Blake, MVP
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Default registry cleaner and back up

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:11:00 -0800, Linda W Linda
wrote:

Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?



All registry cleaners are scams at best. At worst, they can completely
hose your system.

I strongly suggest you avoid using any registry cleaning program. They
are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is
dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

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  #49  
Old December 24th 07, 07:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Default Registry Cleaner

Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.

http://www.ccleaner.com/

Try it...

DSH

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


CCleaner is very helpful in this respect.

No, it is not. It''s [sic] not better than any of the other snake oil
scams available.
--
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  #50  
Old December 24th 07, 08:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Default Registry Cleaner

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.



*NO* registry cleaner works "beautifully," as *NONE* of them do
anything in the least bit useful or beneficial.

And CCLeaner, in particular, products nothing but false positives,
identifying orphaned entries where none exist. I've tested it.


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Help us help you:
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
  #51  
Old December 24th 07, 08:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Daave
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Default Registry Cleaner

Evidence?


D. Spencer Hines wrote:
CCleaner is very helpful in this respect.

DSH

"Edward W. Thompson" wrote in message
...

"Linda W" Linda wrote in message
...
Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I
typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found
over 1000 errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them
after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to
pay them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?

snip

Yes, it is a scam. Firstly and most importantly, if you have
'errors' in your Registry you will have problems running the OS
and/or program. If you do have these problems Registry Cleaners
will not help. What these cleaners term as errors are not errors
they are simply entries in the Registry that the 'Cleaners'
determine are redundant. Contrary to what many may tell you, these
redundant entries do absolutely no harm and have no effect on the
operation of the OS or programs. They may inflate the size of the
Registry but as disk space is the least of problems with modern
machines, this is of no consequence. Further, occasionally Registry
Cleaners will remove or advise removal of Registry entries that are
required for the running of installed programs and if acted upon
will require you to reinstall the program.

There are many who will tell you that Registry Cleaners will/may
damage the OS. So far no one has yet given any evidence of this
other than hearsay but the overall advice of these programs have the
potential of doing harm without doing any good is valid.




  #52  
Old December 24th 07, 08:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
John Barnett MVP[_3_]
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Default Registry Cleaner

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I regularly myself. While I
agree with Bruce Chambers sentiments regarding CCleaner checking what
CCleaner is actually removing, in the few years I've been using CCleaner I
can't say that I've actually been in a position were CCleaner has located a
large amount of 'problems' that needed fixing, even on brand new machine. I
purchased a new machine two weeks ago, installed and run CCleaner and it
only found 2 problems.

Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how, after using a
registry cleaner one automatically thinks, WoW that certainly improved
things when, in reality it has done nothing of the sort. I certainly haven't
seen any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable, anyway.

One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at any rate is that
when CCleaner is doing general housekeeping, i.e., removing temporary
internet files, history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image of Windows
Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens to be a fluke I am
beginning to ask myself who I actually cleaning what CCleaner or Vista Disk
Cleanup?

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"Daave" wrote in message
...
No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used Ccleaner and have
only found the clearing of temp files to be beneficial. If you've done
more extensive testing, good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who
made the claim in the first place! And I still find it interesting you're
unwilling to back it up.

Belief and knowledge are two different things...


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Right!

He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

DSH

" db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com
wrote in message news:%23duS%

...

he is a sly one and
was just baiting you.

if he had such an open
mind, he could download
the program and test it
himself.
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...


I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

I'm not trying to sell anything.

So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the
tests
I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and
forth
caterwauling.

I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as
managing my
stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email
or
doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g

I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various
configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses,
faster
loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster
startups
and shutdowns.

No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed --
No
FUD.

I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't
speak to
them.

I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the
Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

Your Mileage May Vary...

So, Run Your Own Tests.

Bonne Chance!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas





  #53  
Old December 24th 07, 09:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Default Registry Cleaner

John Barnett MVP wrote:
I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I regularly myself.
While I agree with Bruce Chambers sentiments regarding CCleaner checking
what CCleaner is actually removing, in the few years I've been using
CCleaner I can't say that I've actually been in a position were CCleaner
has located a large amount of 'problems' that needed fixing, even on
brand new machine. I purchased a new machine two weeks ago, installed
and run CCleaner and it only found 2 problems.



I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no
additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then
uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred
allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly
"suspicious" files.


Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how, after using a
registry cleaner one automatically thinks, WoW that certainly improved
things when, in reality it has done nothing of the sort. I certainly
haven't seen any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable, anyway.

One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at any rate is
that when CCleaner is doing general housekeeping, i.e., removing
temporary internet files, history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image
of Windows Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens to be
a fluke I am beginning to ask myself who I actually cleaning what
CCleaner or Vista Disk Cleanup?


CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
  #54  
Old December 24th 07, 10:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Default Registry Cleaner

Utter Nonsense.

CCleaner has worked beautifully for me for several years.

I've cleaned out thousands of useless entries from my Registry.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.

*NO* registry cleaner works "beautifully," as *NONE* of them do anything
in the least bit useful or beneficial.

And CCLeaner, in particular, products nothing but false positives,
identifying orphaned entries where none exist. I've tested it.



  #55  
Old December 24th 07, 10:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Default Registry Cleaner

There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself....



  #56  
Old December 24th 07, 10:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Daave
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Default Registry Cleaner

Are you able to show evidence that the deletion of useless registry
entries appreciably improves the performance of a PC?


D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Utter Nonsense.

CCleaner has worked beautifully for me for several years.

I've cleaned out thousands of useless entries from my Registry.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.

*NO* registry cleaner works "beautifully," as *NONE* of them do
anything in the least bit useful or beneficial.

And CCLeaner, in particular, products nothing but false positives,
identifying orphaned entries where none exist. I've tested it.




  #57  
Old December 24th 07, 10:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Unknown
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Default Registry Cleaner

It is nothing but trash taking up space on your system. It has NO benefits,
only potential problems.
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Utter Nonsense.

CCleaner has worked beautifully for me for several years.

I've cleaned out thousands of useless entries from my Registry.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.

*NO* registry cleaner works "beautifully," as *NONE* of them do anything
in the least bit useful or beneficial.

And CCLeaner, in particular, products nothing but false positives,
identifying orphaned entries where none exist. I've tested it.





  #58  
Old December 24th 07, 10:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Default Registry Cleaner

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.


And clearly stated that it did *NOT* provide any performance benefits....


So do I.

It's a very useful tool.



Useful, how, precisely? It doesn't do anything of any value.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
  #59  
Old December 25th 07, 12:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Default Registry Cleaner

My box runs faster and smoother after I use CCleaner, including both the
Registry Cleaner and Basic Cleaner, which does much more than just delete
Temporary Internet Files, properly employed.

DSH

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

And clearly stated that it did *NOT* provide any performance benefits....

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.


Useful, how, precisely? It doesn't do anything of any value.



  #60  
Old December 25th 07, 04:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
John Barnett MVP[_3_]
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Default Registry Cleaner

yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,
regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase
through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as
"CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and
without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any
increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame
regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is
negligible.

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Windows - Shell/User

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use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..



"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself....




 




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