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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:02:00 +0100, android wrote:
Oki... So this is a Microsoft project that wants donations... "It started development as an undergraduate college senior design project mentored by Microsoft, and is currently being maintained by some of the alumni that originally worked on it. Originally intended as a free replacement for the Microsoft Paint software that comes with Windows..." http://www.getpaint.net/donate.html The great thing about Paint.NET is that the designers implemented the *simplest* and most direct way to add arrows, text, and bounding boxes (far better than the way most programs do those three tasks). The terrible thing about Paint.NET is the .NET Framwork requirement (which sucks) and the lack of portability to Linux (which I use half the time). The *closest* I can get to Paint.NET's three features of adding text, curving arrows, and bounding boxes, is KolourPaint - but KolourPaint is a distant second to Paint.NET (e.g., you have to deal with text boxes and the arrows aren't nearly as extensible with respect to features). In the not-too-distant future is supposed to be "Pinta", which I tested years ago, and was appalled that the developers didn't even *understand* the crown jewel of Paint.NET was its ease of doing simple operatings. At the time I tested Pinta and gave my feedback to the developers, I was very disappointed in their lack of understanding that eliminating just one or two steps out of an operating is a big deal. It was like comparing a Panasonic MP3 player to an iPod. Night and day with respect to simplicity. Sure, they both played MP3 songs; but Steve Jobs had it right on the simplicity of the iPod. These Pinta developers were like the Panasonic MP3 player developers. It played MP3 songs, and that was all they cared about. So I gave up on testing Pinta further. I haven't tested Pinta since. Have any of you tested Pinta? Did the developers finally see the light? Is it ready for prime time yet? |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote: Oh, I've found Apple's Preview; but it has been a long time since I last used Preview to create arrows (where it failed miserably to do the simplest of things). nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:51:16 -0500, nospam wrote:
We already tested Preview in detail for this exact purpose way back in 2014 and it failed to do simple screenshot editing tasks. *you* failed. the app did not fail. preview is a very capable tool to make simple edits (and even not so simple), the types of things you've described. it's one of the more underrated apps on a mac. I'm not going to re-hash it out here since it's already well covered in that thread which anyone can read so they can form their own conclusions from the vividly outlined and well described results. Unless you have *new* data, the conclusions are factually stated and well supported with annotated screenshots and comparisons in that thread. Here's the link again: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ocbY%5B1-25%5D Subject: What is a good app for editing screenshots that does the 3 critical things well? (date October 3, 2014) |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote: We already tested Preview in detail for this exact purpose way back in 2014 and it failed to do simple screenshot editing tasks. *you* failed. the app did not fail. preview is a very capable tool to make simple edits (and even not so simple), the types of things you've described. it's one of the more underrated apps on a mac. I'm not going to re-hash it out here since it's already well covered in that thread you won't rehash it because you don't want to be raked over the coals yet again. which anyone can read so they can form their own conclusions from the vividly outlined and well described results. indeed they can. it doesn't get any easier than this: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
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Stijn De Jong wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:13:27 -0800, Savageduck wrote: Then you haven't found Apple's "Preview": https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...4%20copyE2A.jp g Oh, I've found Apple's Preview; but it has been a long time since I last used Preview to create arrows (where it failed miserably to do the simplest of things). --- Quote:
It does the above: Shortcut for arrow: Control+Command+A Shortcut for oval: Control+Command+O --- https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201740 -- teleportation kills |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:04:31 -0500, nospam wrote:
nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options they provide for the results which matter. The many comparison tests in that thread were one to one, outlining the number of steps it took and evaluating the results, for a variety of software suggestions on the Mac. You participated in that thread, so, unless there is *new* information since then, the well supported well documented conclusions in that thread are still tenably valid. Here's the thread URL. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ocbY%5B1-25%5D |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options they provide for the results which matter. preview is as easy as it gets. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:09:33 +0100, android wrote:
It does the above: Shortcut for arrow: Control+Command+A Shortcut for oval: Control+Command+O Just having a menu doesn't mean it works the same, nor does it mean the results are functionally as capable. I can hand you a dozen kits, where they all supposedly do the same thing, but some fly better than others, even though they all have the same basic parts. In that light, I have just one simple question specifically for you. QUESTION FOR "android" only: Have you ever used the arrowing commands in Paint.NET? |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:07:52 -0500, nospam wrote:
you won't rehash it because you don't want to be raked over the coals yet again. which anyone can read so they can form their own conclusions from the vividly outlined and well described results. indeed they can. it doesn't get any easier than this: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png Just showing a menu is like showing me a kite. They all have the same basic parts. But some fly differently than others. The differences are subtle, and you'll never know them unless/until you fly the various kites, side by side, performing the same task. Have you, nospam, ever used the arrowing feature of Paint.NET? |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , nospam
wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. actually, it does do curved arrows. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:19:02 -0500, nospam wrote:
All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. Heh heh ... I love how you say things that are completely unsupported, where you assume most people don't know the difference, so you get away with it. Then, when I show you a thread which proved otherwise, definitively, with detailed side-by-side comparisons, then (and only then), you concede you knew the truth all along. I have no interest in arguing with you on this topic since it was already hashed out in gory detail, with many side-by-side comparisons, in the aforementioned thread, which I repeat, the URL is: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ocbY%5B1-25%5D I will not respond further to you on this sub topic. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote: you won't rehash it because you don't want to be raked over the coals yet again. which anyone can read so they can form their own conclusions from the vividly outlined and well described results. indeed they can. it doesn't get any easier than this: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png Just showing a menu is like showing me a kite. They all have the same basic parts. But some fly differently than others. The differences are subtle, and you'll never know them unless/until you fly the various kites, side by side, performing the same task. what it's showing you is just how ridiculously simple how to do the tasks you describe and that you refuse to learn from others, insisting that your way is the only way. it doesn't get any easier than a menu titled 'add arrow' under another menu titled 'annotate', *and* with the relevant tools also on the toolbar for those that prefer toolbars over menus. either way works. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote: All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. Heh heh ... I love how you say things that are completely unsupported, where you assume most people don't know the difference, so you get away with it. everything i say is supported. however, i did forget that preview *can* do curved arrows, which i corrected in a subsequent post. Then, when I show you a thread which proved otherwise, definitively, with detailed side-by-side comparisons, then (and only then), you concede you knew the truth all along. i do know the truth. preview does everything you list above and that thread confirms it. it also confirms that there are easier ways to do what you want to do, but you refuse to learn. I have no interest in arguing with you on this topic since it was already hashed out in gory detail, with many side-by-side comparisons, in the aforementioned thread, which I repeat, the URL is: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...4ocbY%5B1-25%5 D I will not respond further to you on this sub topic. of course not, because once again, you've been shown to be a blithering idiot and that thread is further evidence. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
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Stijn De Jong wrote: On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:09:33 +0100, android wrote: It does the above: Shortcut for arrow: Control+Command+A Shortcut for oval: Control+Command+O Just having a menu doesn't mean it works the same, nor does it mean the results are functionally as capable. I just tried those mentioned above. They work dandy fine! :-/ I can hand you a dozen kits, where they all supposedly do the same thing, but some fly better than others, even though they all have the same basic parts. In that light, I have just one simple question specifically for you. QUESTION FOR "android" only: Have you ever used the arrowing commands in Paint.NET? No. Why would I? -- teleportation kills |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article ,
nospam wrote: In article , Stijn De Jong wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options they provide for the results which matter. preview is as easy as it gets. for web touchups? yes. -- teleportation kills |
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