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On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:19:58 +0200, Joerg Lorenz
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Am 07.07.17 um 06:03 schrieb Lucifer Morningstar:
You get that for $2.60 when you buy from China.

Who wants to buy from China in the first place?

Apple.
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On Jul 7, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:19:58 +0200, Joerg
wrote:

Am 07.07.17 um 06:03 schrieb Lucifer Morningstar:
You get that for $2.60 when you buy from China.
Who wants to buy from China in the first place?

Apple.

....and everybody else.

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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

You get that for $2.60 when you buy from China.

Who wants to buy from China in the first place?

Apple.

it ain't just apple.

dell, lenovo, sony and many others use the same factories that apple
does. nikon and canon also have factories in china. clothes are made in
china.

In message Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:19:58 +0200, Joerg Lorenz
wrote:

Am 07.07.17 um 06:03 schrieb Lucifer Morningstar:
You get that for $2.60 when you buy from China.

Who wants to buy from China in the first place?

Apple.

You're confused.

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Fri, 16 Jun 2017
17:45:28 GMT in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:

That means I can collect all the iPods in the neighborhood, and
connect them at once to the network, and just share files at
will.

translated: you pirate music and movies.


Bad translation. No evidence to support it.


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Sun, 18 Jun 2017
21:54:37 GMT in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

which of these is fewer steps? which is easier? which is
impossible?


itunes: create one or more playlists. plug in cable. sync.

Why should I spent the time to create a playlist and have to run
bloated software while I do so? Software that might try to **** with
my audio files and cause them to fail 3rd party checksums.

your way: connect player, dig thru folders, drag songs, dig thru
more folders, drag more songs. use search feature because you
don't remember which folder out of thousands where the *good*
version of that one song is out of the many different versions you
have. they all come up in the search but since you don't have song
ratings or comments, you have to listen to each one until you find
it.

Uhh, no. I know what I have, and, I know where it's at. It's
organized you see, all without the help of itunes. I don't have many
different versions of the same song, unless it's done by different
artists. And even then, I know right where it is. I can search by
song name, genre, publication date, rip date, etc. It's quite sorted
and organized. Searching usually isn't necessary though; I generally
have a good idea of what I want to listen to, and, can find it with
ease on this network. That's nearly 20k worth of songs ripped by a
single group alone; not including the others.

itunes: set itunes to automatically transcode your music on the
fly, from lossless or 320k mp3/aac to 128k for the ipod, because
you can't hear any difference while jogging with cars/trucks going
by. as above, connect ipod, sync. music transcoded on the fly, no
additional steps.

Why would I want to transcode what's already more than acceptable drm
free mp3? Seems like i'm wasting time going thru that step.
Especially when I can drag/drop or copy/paste. I can drop entire
albums in track order with a few clicks or a single command at
console. I don't have to 'initialize' my mp3 player either.

And, it works the same way under *nix as it does Windows. Makes life
easy. No special software needed as it's treated as an external
drive.

your way: manually dig through folders to find the songs as above,
make a copy and put them in a folder of their own (dragging would
move them and you don't want that), then manually convert them
with a conversion tool, then drag *that* to the player. be sure to
have sufficient disk space for it. once copied, delete.

What the hell? Why would I do any of that? I can grab what I want
from any machine on the network, copy it right to the mp3 player
thats seen as an external drive. No conversion necessary, no deletion
necessary. They're sorted by folder, actually, like this:

3_Doors_Down-Away_From_The_Sun-(Retail)-2002-HHI

So if I want that entire album on my mp3 player, I can drag/drop or
copy/paste it, or, type a single command from console on *nix or
Windows. My little panasonic mp3 player rocks, btw. It doesn't have
an internal battery that I can't easily get to, to change out. It
runs on a single AA battery for over 80 hours, non stop.

itunes: subscribe to a podcast and set itunes to auto-sync new
episodes. connect ipod and the episodes you already listened to
are replaced with new ones which were downloaded when they were
published, entirely automatically, no user interaction. required.

RSS feeds do that for me, though. I don't need itunes for that. The
podcasts I've seen are also available in trusty, good ol mp3, too.


itunes: create a smart playlist of 250 of the most listened to
songs plus 50 of the least recently listened to songs and 25
totally random songs, to always have some new music cycled through
rather than listen to the same old stuff all the time. optionally
replace any songs that were skipped more than a certain amount
(which means you really don't want that song on the ipod), connect
ipod, sync. the play count, skip count and date/time last played
are all managed for you.

I don't need that either. My mp3 player keeps a little record that I
can change/delete at any time. If I let the song play, it gets a good
mark. if I tend to skip it, the mp3 player won't pick it often during
random playback. It 'learns' what I like based on what I have on it.

I don't have to sync it to anything either. And, if a friend wants a
copy of all of the music on it, or a single song, they can just plug
it into their device and copy the tune(s) over. No software required.

I can even copy non audio files over to it and treat it like a USB
stick, if I so desire. It knows it can't play them, it ignores
them but keeps them in memory for me to do whatever I want with the
non audio files.

itunes: share music to other computers, set top boxes and other
peripherals on the network (which do not have to be from apple).

I already do that, without itunes. Every single computer on this
network has read access to the share. Some computers are tied into
stereo systems, others are tied into large TV sets for movie
watching. Which is a seperate share. It's very organized. Watch,
listen, to whatever you like, whenever you like. Wanna copy it to
yours to take with you? You can do that too, no software required;
since NONE of my stuff is DRM.

your way: not possible, other than file sharing to another
computer, which would require a suitable media player.

You must have no idea how a LAN works...


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Fri, 16 Jun 2017
22:35:52 GMT in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

nothing is easier on linux.

ROFL. You obviously haven't used linux on the desktop. It's a pleasure.
A real pleasure.

linux users thrive on doing things as complex as possible.

Heh. You clearly don't know anything about linux. Or it's user bases.


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Sat, 17 Jun 2017
01:00:17 GMT in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

there is user input, that being plugging in the printer, which is
a clear indication that the user wants to *use* it.

A user might want it, but, IT dept might have already told them no.
And no offense intended, but, I want the workstation doing what the
IT dept allows, NOT necessarily what the user wants.

I don't want *my* OS to
tell *me* which things to install.

then you should disconnect from the internet, because not only is
your operating system auto-updating, but so are most apps.

Heh. Mine isn't, and, none of my apps are auto updating themselves
either. My linux boxes don't even pull that ****. They *ask* me if
it's okay to apply such and such update, and, they'll tell me more
about the update from the same panel, without having to install it
first and/or visit a website. Oh, and I can choose to update some and
not others, if I so desire. I'm not being forced to do it all, if I
don't want to. I might have a valid reason for keeping the older
package.


It should show up on the network, but
I may not want to install it.

a printer without a driver is useless.

A driver contains executable code. If it's tainted and it's allowed
to run, that could become an issue. I can see the lockdown need here.
Do you have any corp IT experience yourself? It seems you do not.

computers are there to do work *for* you, not the other way
around.

Computers are not toaster ovens. They are complicated machines, not
toys.




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"Jonathan N. Little"
news alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

Just because you connected a printer to a network does not mean
you want all clients to use it. One department may not want
another to use their printer. It is a mater of control over your
hardware, not your hardware controlling you.

Exactly!


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Jolly Roger
Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:38:55 GMT
in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

Only to the ignorant. Meanwhile those of us who have actually used
it have no problem with it because it works great. Go figure.

In a home based LAN setup, maybe. If you need more control, doesn't
seem like a good choice. I might not want computers in another dept
using my printer.


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Fri, 07 Jul 2017
03:00:59 GMT in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

In article ,
Diesel wrote:

bonjour is very reliable and incredibly useful.

I have never run bonjour and never had any trouble finding
devices on my LAN.

the point is so you don't have to find the devices. the
computer finds them *for* you.

You don't need bonjour for the computer to discover devices on
LAN.

yes you do. that's the point of bonjour.

Er, I don't. My computers see each other and various other LAN
enabled devices just fine, without bonjour. Networking protocols
are funny like that. /sarcasm.

not without manual configuration, they don't.

That actually depends on the device and router settings. But, I won't
bore you with technical details.

and the crashes you claim are pure fabrication anyway. roughly
a *billion* people use itunes without issue. it's one of the
most popular apps on windows (source: microsoft).

With field experience, I have to disagree with you. I've seen
bonjour crash out; it's not always a pleasant experience.

bull****.
you're blaming bonjour without having investigated the cause,
which is almost certainly *not* bonjour.

Event viewer and memory dumps tend to tell the tale. Ever analyzed a
dump?


or, don't realize that they don't
infact have to have it?

people use itunes because they *want* to use itunes, not because
they *have* to use it, because of the numerous features and
benefits it provides. it empowers users to do things that are not
possible any other way.

Again, they may not be aware it's not required in some cases.

I personally refuse to buy ANY mp3/audio
player that demands I use a 'special' app to load it with
music/video, etc.

your loss.

I see no loss in that decision.

by doing so, you end up with fewer features, a lot more effort to
use whatever player you get and a significantly worse user
experience.

I disagree.

there's also no need for a usb port or a usb cable because modern
devices sync over wifi and even automatically if the user chooses,
or the user can use the cloud and have access to *everything*.

I *don't* want it to sync over wifi. I tend to keep my data local,
thanks. The cloud is a cute buzzword for offsite storage. Of which
you have limited to no control over, depending on the situation.


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Lucifer Morningstar
Fri, 07 Jul 2017
04:03:11 GMT in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

You get that for $2.60 when you buy from China.

I'll stick with my panasonic. [g] It's been great to me.
The last device I tried to buy from China got lost in customs. Sim card
reader/writer. My money was refunded, but, I really wanted the
device. ROFL!


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Sat, 17 Jun 2017
04:47:13 GMT in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

deploying fios or any high speed internet is not something that
will happen overnight. there's a lot of infrastructure to upgrade.

There's a bit more to it than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQ7GhsQ79g



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On 2017-07-08, Diesel wrote:
Jolly Roger
Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:38:55 GMT
in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:

Only to the ignorant. Meanwhile those of us who have actually used
it have no problem with it because it works great. Go figure.

In a home based LAN setup, maybe. If you need more control, doesn't
seem like a good choice.

Most people don't "need more control". The most popular printer use case
is: someone simply wants their printer to appear in print dialogs on
their computer after they've connected and turned on the printer.
Bonjour does that automatically. You literally connect and turn on the
printer and you can already start printing to it with Zero
Config[uration].

I might not want computers in another dept using my printer.

Straw man. Nobody here claimed that Bonjour was compulsory - only that
it adds value and isn't the so-called huge problem Apple-hating trolls
love to claim it is on Windows. If you don't want it, nobody is stopping
you from avoiding it or removing it.

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PF1E4jV6iSIb, Diesel wrote:


That means I can collect all the iPods in the neighborhood, and
connect them at once to the network, and just share files at
will.

translated: you pirate music and movies.


Bad translation. No evidence to support it.

other than admitting it, you mean?

sharing music without permission from the copyright owner, which he
does not have from 'collecting ipods in the neighborhood', is piracy.