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Old September 15th 18, 12:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-co...an-experiment/
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Old September 15th 18, 03:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Microsoft confirms that Microsoft Edge popup is just an experiment

Justin Tyme wrote:

https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-co...an-experiment/


Ah, the joys of deliberately choosing to be an unpaid volunteered beta
tester. That's what you are when you choose to register to enlist into
the Insider community. The popup, according to the article, is
something Microsoft is testing in their fast ring release schedule.

https://insider.windows.com/en-us/how-to-overview/
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/change-t...eview-updates/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Insider

If you want to be on the bleeding edge, well, then don't complain when
you get cut. If you don't want to test their product with changes that
may not get into the official release, don't be an Insider and instead
stand outside waiting for what comes out the door. Not only do I not
want the flaky and variable builds but I don't want them pushed to me
until I'm ready (and why I disable the WU and BITS services until *I*
decide to save an image backup and then do the updates).
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Old September 15th 18, 07:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Microsoft confirms that Microsoft Edge popup is just anexperiment

On 09/14/2018 10:48 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Justin Tyme wrote:

https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-co...an-experiment/


Ah, the joys of deliberately choosing to be an unpaid volunteered beta
tester. That's what you are when you choose to register to enlist into
the Insider community. The popup, according to the article, is
something Microsoft is testing in their fast ring release schedule.

https://insider.windows.com/en-us/how-to-overview/
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/change-t...eview-updates/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Insider

If you want to be on the bleeding edge, well, then don't complain when
you get cut. If you don't want to test their product with changes that
may not get into the official release, don't be an Insider and instead
stand outside waiting for what comes out the door. Not only do I not
want the flaky and variable builds but I don't want them pushed to me
until I'm ready (and why I disable the WU and BITS services until *I*
decide to save an image backup and then do the updates).

But if it weren't for the bleeding edge testers, then it would not have
been seen early and the yelling and complaining would not have hit
Microsoft. And without the yelling it might have hit production.

I'm not exactly sure it was a test. I have the strong feeling that was
just a way to save face, "it was only a test and insider is our way to
testing". Bull s**t.


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Old September 15th 18, 07:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Microsoft confirms that Microsoft Edge popup is just anexperiment

Big Al wrote:
On 09/14/2018 10:48 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Justin Tyme wrote:

https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-co...an-experiment/


Ah, the joys of deliberately choosing to be an unpaid volunteered beta
tester. That's what you are when you choose to register to enlist into
the Insider community. The popup, according to the article, is
something Microsoft is testing in their fast ring release schedule.

https://insider.windows.com/en-us/how-to-overview/
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/change-t...eview-updates/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Insider

If you want to be on the bleeding edge, well, then don't complain when
you get cut. If you don't want to test their product with changes that
may not get into the official release, don't be an Insider and instead
stand outside waiting for what comes out the door. Not only do I not
want the flaky and variable builds but I don't want them pushed to me
until I'm ready (and why I disable the WU and BITS services until *I*
decide to save an image backup and then do the updates).

But if it weren't for the bleeding edge testers, then it would not have
been seen early and the yelling and complaining would not have hit
Microsoft. And without the yelling it might have hit production.


It *is* hitting production. Read the article.

I'm not exactly sure it was a test. I have the strong feeling that was
just a way to save face, "it was only a test and insider is our way to
testing". Bull s**t.


ordinary users still the "are you sure prompt" and have to go to setting
just make a non-edge browser the default. I thought windows had to enable
users to get other browsers in an EU court order. When did that change?


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Old September 15th 18, 10:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Microsoft confirms that Microsoft Edge popup is just an experiment

On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 06:59:17 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

ordinary users still the "are you sure prompt" and have to go to setting
just make a non-edge browser the default. I thought windows had to enable
users to get other browsers in an EU court order. When did that change?


Just ignore any EU court orders. If necessary, leave the EU.
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Old September 15th 18, 01:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Microsoft confirms that Microsoft Edge popup is just an experiment

"Chris" wrote

| I thought windows had to enable
| users to get other browsers in an EU court order. When did that change?
|

That was a 5 year agreement applying mainly to Win7.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/microsoft-l...en-windows-eu/

The agreement was that MS had to actually show
people the choices. The EU are no dummies about
these things. They knew it would take that much.
Allowing people to download a different browser
would mean nothing. That was already possible.

There's currently an online privacy law
fight in California where tech companies are pushing
a watered down version that specifies opt-out of
surveillance rather than opt-in. That makes all the
difference. Such a law will be meaningless because
very few will even know they can opt out. But the
public will hear about CA's new privacy law and it
will *seem* like there's progress.

Ditto for Jeff Bezos. Just when the public is finally
catching on that Amazon is a nasty sweatshop, and
Bernie Sanders has proposed a clever law that would
tax large corporations for Federal services provided to
employees, which he named after Bezos, Bezos called
out the PR people and filled the headlines with news
that he's starting a $2 billion fund to help needy people.
Details? Well, not at this time.
It may never even happen. He just wants to
give conservatives ammo to oppose Sanders.

(It's an interesting proposal. Sanders brought out stats
showing how much Amazon employees end up using
things like food stamps and Medicaid because they
simply can't afford to survive on what Amazon pays
them to be abused robots. Then Sanders suggested
that companies with 500 employees or more be taxed
for the exact amount of those services. It's a version
of a living wage law, but emphasizes how much
companies like Amazon cost the taxpayer. Rather than
offer humane pay rates, Bezos has followed Bill
Gates's lead and cooked up a philanthropy racket.)

There was also an interesting course of events in '97
or so, when MS was in court about pushing IE and
trying to thwart Netscape. MS lost. But the ruling
applied to Win95. Meanwhile, MS had been working
on Active Desktop behind the scenes. It was Bill Gates's
famous plan to "cut off Netscape's air supply". They'd
build IE right into the system, thus redefining what a
browser is. So all the legal jostling amounted to nothing
in the end.

As I recall there was also a later case, where MS used
AD to argue that IE couldn't be removed without breaking
Windows. Maybe that was XP? I'm not sure. But I
remember the judge himself managed to remove it.

Fortunately, Microsoft shot themselves in the foot
with that integration. It meant that some people
couldn't update their browser without updating Windows,
and updating IE at all was always a daring adventure
because it replaced a lot of system files. I still can't
get IE11 to install on Win7-64. I have no idea why.

More importantly, it meant that IE was a wonderfully
powerful and adaptable tool -- a work of genius, I'd say
-- but too dangerous to take online, as it exposed
Windows itself to unsafe running software in the form
of such clever but risky things as ActiveX controls on
webpages, BHOs, etc.

Now they're using a similar strategy with Edge. In this
case they can make a new case that they're renting a
software package and Edge is part of that. It's a cloud-era
version of cutting off everyone else's air supply. I suspect
that's exactly what they will implement, eventually. And
people in this group will have their usual low expectations:
"Hey, the latest update won't allow anything but Edge.
Well, at least I got the update. That's progress."


 




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