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Win 10 and LPT
Old printers and plotters often use the LPTx:-interface. Since the
Windows-10-Update 1511 this interface does not work any longer. Even a USB-Centronics cable does not work. What is to do that the old devices are working again? -- Christoph Müller |
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Christoph Müller wrote:
Old printers and plotters often use the LPTx:-interface. Since the Windows-10-Update 1511 this interface does not work any longer. Even a USB-Centronics cable does not work. What is to do that the old devices are working again? There's a two year long thread on the topic here. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...auth=1&page=10 Have you carefully checked Device Manager ? Maybe it's a printing driver that's missing, and not a driver for the cable. Check your Device Manager and make note of what is installed and working already. In the example here, is a "USB Printing support". The USB to parallel port interface only supports one of the four modes, and that's what "Printing Support" means. https://okidata-ja.custhelp.com/euf/...Supp_Frame.png ( https://okiprinting-en-gb.custhelp.c...ws.-%28c532%29 ) You're supposed to plug in the cable first, without the printer connected, and have Windows detect and install the Printing Support ("USB class") driver. Paul |
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Christoph Müller wrote:
Old printers and plotters often use the LPTx:-interface. Since the Windows-10-Update 1511 this interface does not work any longer. Even a USB-Centronics cable does not work. What is to do that the old devices are working again? I attached my old HP LaserJet2100 (great printer) on to one of my Linux servers with a parallel port and share via samba. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote in newsnosvi$1li$1@dont-
email.me: Christoph Müller wrote: Old printers and plotters often use the LPTx:-interface. Since the Windows-10-Update 1511 this interface does not work any longer. Even a USB-Centronics cable does not work. What is to do that the old devices are working again? I attached my old HP LaserJet2100 (great printer) on to one of my Linux servers with a parallel port and share via samba. You can always get a Centronics interface card and use that to talk to your printer. This sounds a lot like what happened when Windows NT first came out. Up to that time, any program/driver could write 'straight to the metal' and implement any weird or arcane communications it desired. Windows NT implemented the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) to suport multiple hardware implementations without having to produce multiple versions of Windows itself. The big problem for a lot of software was the use of dongles as licensing tools. Autocad is one that comes to mind. Any software that used to write straight to the metal had to rewrite its code to use the HAL to talk to whatever device it needed to communicate with. Made for some interesting times until the updated versions came out. |
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Tim wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote in newsnosvi$1li$1@dont- email.me: Christoph Müller wrote: Old printers and plotters often use the LPTx:-interface. Since the Windows-10-Update 1511 this interface does not work any longer. Even a USB-Centronics cable does not work. What is to do that the old devices are working again? I attached my old HP LaserJet2100 (great printer) on to one of my Linux servers with a parallel port and share via samba. You can always get a Centronics interface card and use that to talk to your printer. This sounds a lot like what happened when Windows NT first came out. Up to that time, any program/driver could write 'straight to the metal' and implement any weird or arcane communications it desired. Windows NT implemented the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) to suport multiple hardware implementations without having to produce multiple versions of Windows itself. The big problem for a lot of software was the use of dongles as licensing tools. Autocad is one that comes to mind. Any software that used to write straight to the metal had to rewrite its code to use the HAL to talk to whatever device it needed to communicate with. Made for some interesting times until the updated versions came out. First, we need evidence that item is missing from the USB section of Device Manager. There's no point sending someone off to buy a PCI Express parallel port card (I have one), without proof the existing solution really is broken. Paul |
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Am 17.09.2018 um 18:58 schrieb 😉 Good Guy 😉:
On 17/09/2018 17:29, Christoph Müller wrote: Old printers and plotters often use the LPTx:-interface. Since the Windows-10-Update 1511 this interface does not work any longer. Even a USB-Centronics cable does not work. What is to do that the old devices are working again? You could P2P network it using Windows7 or Windows 8.1 or if you are bold enough, dump the old printer and buy a new one. A similar new one costs about 1000,- ... 2000,- Euro. The side effect of getting all the benefits of Windows 10 is to use new devices made specifically for it. Which benefit? How old is your printer the xy-plotter ist about 30 years old but still OK. It could run severeal years ins future. The update 1511 for Win 10 de facto destroyed the plotter. and how much is it likely to cost you to ask somebody to take away?Â* I assume Germany doesn't allow dumping of electronic devices. The bigger problem is to find a similar plotter that works with Windows 10. You must know many refugees who can take away that old printer and use it to further their education and you can buy a new printer and use it with Windows 10. This is a expensive idea. Just for interest sake, has your machine got a LPT port?Â* None of my machine using Windows 10 have LPT ports so clearly I must be doing something right here. I have a USB-Centronics-cable. But it does not work. -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. But it destroys elder investments. -- Christoph Müller https://www.astrail.de |
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Thank You Paul. Now the plotter is working again. Christoph Müller |
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On 9/18/2018 3:51 AM, Christoph Müller wrote:
Am 17.09.2018 um 18:58 schrieb 😉 Good Guy 😉: On 17/09/2018 17:29, Christoph Müller wrote: Old printers and plotters often use the LPTx:-interface. Since the Windows-10-Update 1511 this interface does not work any longer. Even a USB-Centronics cable does not work. What is to do that the old devices are working again? You could P2P network it using Windows7 or Windows 8.1 or if you are bold enough, dump the old printer and buy a new one. A similar new one costs about 1000,- ... 2000,- Euro. The side effect of getting all the benefits of Windows 10 is to use new devices made specifically for it. Which benefit? How old is your printer the xy-plotter ist about 30 years old but still OK. It could run severeal years ins future. The update 1511 for Win 10 de facto destroyed the plotter. and how much is it likely to cost you to ask somebody to take away?Â* I assume Germany doesn't allow dumping of electronic devices. The bigger problem is to find a similar plotter that works with Windows 10. You must know many refugees who can take away that old printer and use it to further their education and you can buy a new printer and use it with Windows 10. This is a expensive idea. Just for interest sake, has your machine got a LPT port?Â* None of my machine using Windows 10 have LPT ports so clearly I must be doing something right here. I have a USB-Centronics-cable. But it does not work. -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. But it destroys elder investments. When you go into Windows 10 to install a older printer and you don't see it on the list of available devices, try clicking on the "Windows Update" button next to the "Have Disk..." button and wait (sometimes 30 minutes or more) for Microsoft to download the rest of the devices that they have drivers for but don't want people to know will still work. Even the old Epson FX-80 dot matrix printer series shows up once Windows 10 finishes downloading all the driers for the older devices. You might consider trying a virtual copy of what ever the last version of Windows you had when the plotter still worked for you. You might also need to manually load the USB-Centronics-cable drivers after creating the virtual Windows before loading the drivers for the plotter. Nice thing is that the two major flavors of Virtual Windows platforms can be used for free for home use. I use VMware Workstation 14 Player and have versions of XP on up to even W10 able to run when needed. True you need an old license for each virtual machine. I built my initial list from the licenses on my old machines. The old licensing servers let you install the same key again after 30 days from the last time you used it. Then again I have eliminated the physical machines those old licenses came from so I only have one copy of each (and an offline backup). The backup copy of the working Virtual machine makes it easy to just copy it back onto the working hard drive if I or a virus corrupt the working version. |
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Am 18.09.2018 um 17:26 schrieb GlowingBlueMist:
On 9/18/2018 3:51 AM, Christoph Müller wrote: Am 17.09.2018 um 18:58 schrieb 😉 Good Guy 😉: With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. But it destroys elder investments. When you go into Windows 10 to install a older printer and you don't see it on the list of available devices, try clicking on the "Windows Update" button next to the "Have Disk..." "Never touch a running sytem." Paul gave the right tip: https://okiprinting-en-gb.custhelp.c...ws.-%28c532%29 Nice thing is that the two major flavors of Virtual Windows platforms can be used for free for home use.Â* I use VMware Workstation 14 Player and have versions of XP on up to even W10 able to run when needed. I have the same. But the plotter is not working any longer with it. The virtual windows has contact to real Win 10. And it's not very comfortable to start a virtual machine only to plot one single sheet. -- Christoph Müller https://www.astrail.de |
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