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Old March 22nd 17, 01:54 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

Here's a candidate for the annual Darwin Awards.

Some folks simply can’t resist taking their smartphone into the
bathtub to check their social media feeds or play games, and
occasional reports of fatal accidents suggest a small percentage
may be going one step further and also charging their device
while in the tub.

One such person, 32-year-old Richard Bull of London, died on
December 11 from an electric shock he received when his iPhone
charger touched the water of the bath he was in. The coroner
examining the case, Dr. Sean Cummings, last week ruled the death
as accidental, but said he intended to ask Apple to take steps
to help prevent further such incidents.

Cummings said that while smartphones “seem like innocuous
devices … they can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in a
bathroom,” adding that handset makers “should attach warnings”
to the devices to warn of the risks.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-charging-
accident/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_ca
mpaign=sidebar

Ads
  #2  
Old March 22nd 17, 08:11 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

On 03/22/2017 08:54 AM, Yes They Are That Stupid wrote:
Here's a candidate for the annual Darwin Awards.

Some folks simply can�t resist taking their smartphone into the
bathtub to check their social media feeds or play games, and
occasional reports of fatal accidents suggest a small percentage
may be going one step further and also charging their device
while in the tub.

One such person, 32-year-old Richard Bull of London, died on
December 11 from an electric shock he received when his iPhone
charger touched the water of the bath he was in. The coroner
examining the case, Dr. Sean Cummings, last week ruled the death
as accidental, but said he intended to ask Apple to take steps
to help prevent further such incidents.

Cummings said that while smartphones �seem like innocuous
devices � they can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in a
bathroom,� adding that handset makers �should attach warnings�
to the devices to warn of the risks.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-charging-
accident/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_ca
mpaign=sidebar

I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with
McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her.

And they walk among us?
  #3  
Old March 22nd 17, 08:50 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

In article , Big Al
wrote:

I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with
McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her.


definitely not.

mcdonald's, by their own admission, knowingly served coffee that was
unsafe for human consumption, that they never tested its safety and had
no interest in making any changes even though more than 700 other
customers had been burned in the previous ten years, including babies
and some the result of their own employees causing the burn. that's
more than one injury *per* *week*.
  #4  
Old March 22nd 17, 08:51 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

On 3/22/2017 5:54 AM, Yes They Are That Stupid wrote:
Here's a candidate for the annual Darwin Awards.

Some folks simply can’t resist taking their smartphone into the
bathtub to check their social media feeds or play games, and
occasional reports of fatal accidents suggest a small percentage
may be going one step further and also charging their device
while in the tub.

One such person, 32-year-old Richard Bull of London, died on
December 11 from an electric shock he received when his iPhone
charger touched the water of the bath he was in. The coroner
examining the case, Dr. Sean Cummings, last week ruled the death
as accidental, but said he intended to ask Apple to take steps
to help prevent further such incidents.

Cummings said that while smartphones “seem like innocuous
devices … they can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in a
bathroom,” adding that handset makers “should attach warnings”
to the devices to warn of the risks.


Problem with warnings is that the more you have, the less likely
you'll read 'em all.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-charging-
accident/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_ca
mpaign=sidebar


  #5  
Old March 22nd 17, 10:14 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

On 22/03/17 03:11 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 03/22/2017 08:54 AM, Yes They Are That Stupid wrote:
Here's a candidate for the annual Darwin Awards.

Some folks simply can�t resist taking their smartphone into the
bathtub to check their social media feeds or play games, and
occasional reports of fatal accidents suggest a small percentage
may be going one step further and also charging their device
while in the tub.

One such person, 32-year-old Richard Bull of London, died on
December 11 from an electric shock he received when his iPhone
charger touched the water of the bath he was in. The coroner
examining the case, Dr. Sean Cummings, last week ruled the death
as accidental, but said he intended to ask Apple to take steps
to help prevent further such incidents.

Cummings said that while smartphones �seem like innocuous
devices � they can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in a
bathroom,� adding that handset makers �should attach warnings�
to the devices to warn of the risks.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-charging-
accident/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_ca
mpaign=sidebar

I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with
McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her.

And they walk among us?


The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the
coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car
she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for
the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been
sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink.

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  #6  
Old March 22nd 17, 10:17 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

In article , Silver-Tongued Heel
wrote:

I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with
McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her.

And they walk among us?


The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the
coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car
she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for
the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been
sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink.


you don't recall correctly, or at all, actually.

mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human
consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had
burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing
anything.
  #7  
Old March 22nd 17, 10:20 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

On 3/22/17, 2:14 PM, in article , "Silver-Tongued
Heel" wrote:

I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with
McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her.

And they walk among us?


The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the
coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car
she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for
the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been
sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink.


Was the car manufacture doing something outside the accepted norms and
regulations of their industry? Had they been warned about this before? Were
they actively ignoring those warnings?

If so then I would say you are correct and they, too, could be held liable.

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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


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Old March 22nd 17, 10:34 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

In article , Snit
wrote:

The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the
coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car
she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for
the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been
sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink.


Was the car manufacture doing something outside the accepted norms and
regulations of their industry? Had they been warned about this before? Were
they actively ignoring those warnings?

If so then I would say you are correct and they, too, could be held liable.


the car had nothing to do with it.
  #9  
Old March 22nd 17, 10:35 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

On 3/22/17, 2:34 PM, in article ,
"nospam" wrote:

In article , Snit
wrote:

The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the
coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car
she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for
the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been
sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink.


Was the car manufacture doing something outside the accepted norms and
regulations of their industry? Had they been warned about this before? Were
they actively ignoring those warnings?

If so then I would say you are correct and they, too, could be held liable.


the car had nothing to do with it.


I suspect you are right... was just noting what they would have had to do
with it for the analogy to hold up.

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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


  #10  
Old March 22nd 17, 10:41 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:51:16 -0700, mike wrote:

On 3/22/2017 5:54 AM, Yes They Are That Stupid wrote:
Here's a candidate for the annual Darwin Awards.

Some folks simply can’t resist taking their smartphone into the
bathtub to check their social media feeds or play games, and
occasional reports of fatal accidents suggest a small percentage
may be going one step further and also charging their device
while in the tub.

One such person, 32-year-old Richard Bull of London, died on
December 11 from an electric shock he received when his iPhone
charger touched the water of the bath he was in. The coroner
examining the case, Dr. Sean Cummings, last week ruled the death
as accidental, but said he intended to ask Apple to take steps
to help prevent further such incidents.

Cummings said that while smartphones “seem like innocuous
devices … they can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in a
bathroom,” adding that handset makers “should attach warnings”
to the devices to warn of the risks.


Problem with warnings is that the more you have, the less likely
you'll read 'em all.

I would be very surprised if there is no warning about not using the
charger in or near water. I assumed this would be standard for all
mains voltage appliances.

As an aside, would the same event have resulted in death in the USA
with 110 Volt supply?
  #11  
Old March 22nd 17, 10:56 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

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On 22/03/17 05:34 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is
because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and
because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the
end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot
then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not
providing a place for the old bag to put her drink.


Was the car manufacture doing something outside the accepted
norms and regulations of their industry? Had they been warned
about this before? Were they actively ignoring those warnings?

If so then I would say you are correct and they, too, could be
held liable.


the car had nothing to do with it.


Yes, because the woman was burned between the legs as a result of
there not being a cup holder in the car. She couldn't hold it for some
reason and had no cup holder to place it into so she left the coffee
cup between her legs. Doing so caused unimaginable damage and those
burns were the reason she ended up suing the company.

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Old March 22nd 17, 11:00 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

In article , Silver-Tongued Heel
wrote:

The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is
because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and
because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the
end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot
then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not
providing a place for the old bag to put her drink.

Was the car manufacture doing something outside the accepted
norms and regulations of their industry? Had they been warned
about this before? Were they actively ignoring those warnings?

If so then I would say you are correct and they, too, could be
held liable.


the car had nothing to do with it.


Yes, because the woman was burned between the legs as a result of
there not being a cup holder in the car. She couldn't hold it for some
reason and had no cup holder to place it into so she left the coffee
cup between her legs. Doing so caused unimaginable damage and those
burns were the reason she ended up suing the company.


nope, that's not why.

she was burned because mcdonald's knowingly sold coffee that was
dangerously hot and which they never tested for safety, by their own
admission, and which had burned over 700 other customers in the
previous ten years, some caused by their own employees.
  #13  
Old March 22nd 17, 11:13 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

On 3/22/17, 3:00 PM, in article ,
"nospam" wrote:

In article , Silver-Tongued Heel
wrote:

The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is
because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and
because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the
end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot
then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not
providing a place for the old bag to put her drink.

Was the car manufacture doing something outside the accepted
norms and regulations of their industry? Had they been warned
about this before? Were they actively ignoring those warnings?

If so then I would say you are correct and they, too, could be
held liable.

the car had nothing to do with it.


Yes, because the woman was burned between the legs as a result of
there not being a cup holder in the car. She couldn't hold it for some
reason and had no cup holder to place it into so she left the coffee
cup between her legs. Doing so caused unimaginable damage and those
burns were the reason she ended up suing the company.


nope, that's not why.

she was burned because mcdonald's knowingly sold coffee that was
dangerously hot and which they never tested for safety, by their own
admission, and which had burned over 700 other customers in the
previous ten years, some caused by their own employees.


For those who want to know more details on this case:
https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts
-----
Here is some of the evidence the jury heard during the trial:

* McDonald's operations manual required the franchisee to hold its
coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit.

* Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns
in three to seven seconds.

* The chairman of the department of mechanical engineering and
biomechanical engineering at the University of Texas testified that
this risk of harm is unacceptable, as did a widely recognized expert
on burns, the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Burn Care and
Rehabilitation, the leading scholarly publication in the specialty.

* McDonald's admitted it had known about the risk of serious burns
from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years. The risk had
repeatedly been brought to its attention through numerous other
claims and suits.

* An expert witness for the company testified that the number of
burns was insignificant compared to the billions of cups of coffee
the company served each year.

* At least one juror later told the Wall Street Journal she thought
the company wasn't taking the injuries seriously. To the corporate
restaurant giant those 700 injury cases caused by hot coffee seemed
relatively rare compared to the millions of cups of coffee served.
But, the juror noted, "there was a person behind every number and I
don't think the corporation was attaching enough importance to
that."

* McDonald's quality assurance manager testified that McDonald's
coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into Styrofoam
cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth
and throat.

* McDonald's admitted at trial that consumers were unaware of the
extent of the risk of serious burns from spilled coffee served at
McDonald's then-required temperature.

* McDonald's admitted it did not warn customers of the nature and
extent of this risk and could offer no explanation as to why it did
not.
-----

Some say it was frivolous. Some say it was reasonable and with merit. Either
way, those are (from what we know) the facts of the case.

--
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


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Old March 22nd 17, 11:14 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

On 2017-03-22 21:14:00 +0000, Silver-Tongued Heel said:

The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the
coffee's temperature was too hot


It is impossible for a beverage made with boiling water to be 'too
hot'. That cup of coffee was the woman's responsibility the moment she
paid for it. Not McDonalds, not the car company. Her pain was the
result of her choices. We are all diminished by the fact that she
successfully blamed someone else.

As for our electrocution victim, I do not know what UK chargers look
like, but in the US if the charger was in the tub, so was the end of
the extension cord. Death was inevitable regardless of manufacturer.

A.

  #15  
Old March 22nd 17, 11:30 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

In article , Snit
wrote:


Yes, because the woman was burned between the legs as a result of
there not being a cup holder in the car. She couldn't hold it for some
reason and had no cup holder to place it into so she left the coffee
cup between her legs. Doing so caused unimaginable damage and those
burns were the reason she ended up suing the company.


nope, that's not why.

she was burned because mcdonald's knowingly sold coffee that was
dangerously hot and which they never tested for safety, by their own
admission, and which had burned over 700 other customers in the
previous ten years, some caused by their own employees.


For those who want to know more details on this case:
https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts
-----
Here is some of the evidence the jury heard during the trial:

* McDonald's operations manual required the franchisee to hold its
coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit.

* Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns
in three to seven seconds.

* The chairman of the department of mechanical engineering and
biomechanical engineering at the University of Texas testified that
this risk of harm is unacceptable, as did a widely recognized expert
on burns, the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Burn Care and
Rehabilitation, the leading scholarly publication in the specialty.

* McDonald's admitted it had known about the risk of serious burns
from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years. The risk had
repeatedly been brought to its attention through numerous other
claims and suits.

* An expert witness for the company testified that the number of
burns was insignificant compared to the billions of cups of coffee
the company served each year.

* At least one juror later told the Wall Street Journal she thought
the company wasn't taking the injuries seriously. To the corporate
restaurant giant those 700 injury cases caused by hot coffee seemed
relatively rare compared to the millions of cups of coffee served.
But, the juror noted, "there was a person behind every number and I
don't think the corporation was attaching enough importance to
that."

* McDonald's quality assurance manager testified that McDonald's
coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into Styrofoam
cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth
and throat.

* McDonald's admitted at trial that consumers were unaware of the
extent of the risk of serious burns from spilled coffee served at
McDonald's then-required temperature.

* McDonald's admitted it did not warn customers of the nature and
extent of this risk and could offer no explanation as to why it did
not.
-----

Some say it was frivolous. Some say it was reasonable and with merit. Either
way, those are (from what we know) the facts of the case.


note that it was mcdonald's own testimony that did them in.
 




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