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  #61  
Old March 23rd 17, 07:27 PM posted to alt.test, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

In article
nospam wrote:

In article , Alrescha
wrote:


the issue was that mcdonald's knowingly sold a product that could cause
burns on contact


Have you never been to a real restaurant? They regularly serve food
that can cause burns on contact. e.g.:


no they don't.

you also snipped the part where mcdonald's ignored over 700 injuries.

they didn't give a ****.


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  #62  
Old March 23rd 17, 08:38 PM posted to alt.test,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

On 3/23/2017 2:07 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-03-23 14:45, Jorge wrote:
In article
Wolf K wrote:


Looks like "Jorge" doesn't know not to reply below a sig.


His messages are in invisible ink :-)

Rene

  #63  
Old March 23rd 17, 08:40 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:18:40 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2017-03-23 11:20, Char Jackson wrote:


I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd
be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or
creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also
pre-condiment your burger? :-)


You order and get exactly what you want: nothing, cream, double milk,
etc etc. "Double double" means double cream with double sugar.



Interesting! I've never heard "double milk" or "double sugar, but I'd
have no trouble understanding it. But if someone said "double double,"
I wouldn't know what he meant.


For some
reason, a lot of people like that. Not me, I hate sugar in coffee. ;-)




I also hate sugar in coffee. I don't like cream in coffee either, but
it's not as bad as sugar. I the coffee is really bad (as it is in
Starbucks, for example) I actually prefer it with cream to partially
mask the very bad burnt taste.

By the way, just as a matter of interest, in almost all of Italy, if
you just order "caffee," it comes with nothing in it. But in Naples,
it comes with sugar, unless you say "caffee senza zucchero" (coffee
without sugar). And many years ago (around 1979) I was sitting at a
meeting in a high-level office in Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paolo, Brazil
(I don't remember which) and was asked if I wanted coffee. I said
"yes," and the secretary brought me a cup of coffee with sugar, which
I was unable to drink.
  #64  
Old March 23rd 17, 09:07 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

On 2017-03-23 17:18:40 +0000, nospam said:

because the temperature is not the issue.


It is certainly an issue when you want it to be.

burns were occurring at a rate of more than one per week, and
mcdonald's, by their own admission, had no interest in reducing that.


Yes, for a company the size of McDonalds, coffee burns at a rate of one
or two a week is probably a positive indication of how *good* they are
doing.

Do you not find it telling that the prosecution had to add up ten years
of injuries in order to come up with a number that was not laughable?
Coffee burns are probably not in the top 1000 list of accidental
injuries.

they simply didn't give a ****.


Yep, that "mean old faceless corporation" crap again.

it is unacceptable for any business to disregard the safety and well
being of their customers.


A nice truism. Of course I do not think they did that. If they had,
criminal action would have been taken. Crickets.

the judge didn't strike down anything.


Are facts beyond you?

"they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages...the judge reduced
punitive damages to $480,000."

from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebec...7s_Restaurants

A.

  #65  
Old March 23rd 17, 09:23 PM posted to alt.test, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

In article
PAS wrote:

On 3/22/2017 5:56 PM, Silver-Tongued Heel wrote:
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On 22/03/17 05:34 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is
because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and
because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the
end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot
then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not
providing a place for the old bag to put her drink.
Was the car manufacture doing something outside the accepted
norms and regulations of their industry? Had they been warned
about this before? Were they actively ignoring those warnings?

If so then I would say you are correct and they, too, could be
held liable.
the car had nothing to do with it.

Yes, because the woman was burned between the legs as a result of
there not being a cup holder in the car. She couldn't hold it for some
reason and had no cup holder to place it into so she left the coffee
cup between her legs. Doing so caused unimaginable damage and those
burns were the reason she ended up suing the company.


Do you know what make & model of car she was the passenger in when this
happened? If not, what makes you claim that there was no cupholder in it?


  #66  
Old March 23rd 17, 09:29 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

In article , Alrescha
wrote:


because the temperature is not the issue.


It is certainly an issue when you want it to be.


it's incidental to the case.

burns were occurring at a rate of more than one per week, and
mcdonald's, by their own admission, had no interest in reducing that.


Yes, for a company the size of McDonalds, coffee burns at a rate of one
or two a week is probably a positive indication of how *good* they are
doing.


nonsense.

substitute food poisoning for burns.

would one person per week hospitalized for food poisoning be
acceptable?? certainly not. just look what happened with chipotle.

Do you not find it telling that the prosecution had to add up ten years
of injuries in order to come up with a number that was not laughable?
Coffee burns are probably not in the top 1000 list of accidental
injuries.


it wasn't the prosecution that made that claim.

mcdonald's own testimony stated that they knew of over 700 cases and
did nothing.

they simply didn't give a ****.


Yep, that "mean old faceless corporation" crap again.


it's not faceless corporation crap.

it is unacceptable for any business to disregard the safety and well
being of their customers.


A nice truism. Of course I do not think they did that. If they had,
criminal action would have been taken. Crickets.


what you personally think does not matter.

unlike you, the jury heard *all* of the facts in the case and decided
that mcdonald's was guilty.

https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts
In a story about the case (pdf) published shortly after the verdict
was delivered in 1994, one of the jurors said over the course of the
trial he came to realize the case was about ³callous disregard for
the safety of the people.² Another juror said ³the facts were so
overwhelmingly against the company.²

the judge didn't strike down anything.


Are facts beyond you?


nope.

"they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages...the judge reduced
punitive damages to $480,000."


the jury arrived at $2.7m based on two days of coffee sales. the judge
disagreed with the amount, but did agree that mcdonald's was guilty.
  #67  
Old March 23rd 17, 09:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

On 03/23/2017 09:06 AM, PAS wrote:

[snip]

Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away
with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all.


And the lifelong cigarette smoker has no responsibility for ANYONE
getting emphysema.





































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for survival."
  #68  
Old March 23rd 17, 09:58 PM posted to alt.test, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

In article
Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:18:40 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2017-03-23 11:20, Char Jackson wrote:


I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd
be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or
creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also
pre-condiment your burger? :-)


You order and get exactly what you want: nothing, cream, double milk,=20
etc etc. "Double double" means double cream with double sugar.=20



Interesting! I've never heard "double milk" or "double sugar, but I'd
have no trouble understanding it. But if someone said "double double,"
I wouldn't know what he meant.


For some=20
reason, a lot of people like that. Not me, I hate sugar in coffee. ;-)




I also hate sugar in coffee. I don't like cream in coffee either, but
it's not as bad as sugar. I the coffee is really bad (as it is in
Starbucks, for example) I actually prefer it with cream to partially
mask the very bad burnt taste.

By the way, just as a matter of interest, in almost all of Italy, if
you just order "caffee," it comes with nothing in it. But in Naples,
it comes with sugar, unless you say "caffee senza zucchero" (coffee
without sugar). And many years ago (around 1979) I was sitting at a
meeting in a high-level office in Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paolo, Brazil
(I don't remember which) and was asked if I wanted coffee. I said
"yes," and the secretary brought me a cup of coffee with sugar, which
I was unable to drink.


  #69  
Old March 23rd 17, 10:02 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

On 03/23/2017 05:05 AM, Tim Streater wrote:

[snip]

Sockets in bathroom in the UK are *forbidden*. End of story.


What about those who HAVE to use a hair dryer in the bathroom?
  #70  
Old March 23rd 17, 10:05 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

In article , Sam E
wrote:


Sockets in bathroom in the UK are *forbidden*. End of story.


What about those who HAVE to use a hair dryer in the bathroom?


or numerous other bathroom products.
  #71  
Old March 23rd 17, 10:27 PM posted to alt.test, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
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In article
Anonymous wrote:

In article
mike wrote:

On 3/22/2017 5:54 AM, Yes They Are That Stupid wrote:
Here's a candidate for the annual Darwin Awards.

Some folks simply can’t resist taking their smartphone into the
bathtub to check their social media feeds or play games, and
occasional reports of fatal accidents suggest a small percentage
may be going one step further and also charging their device
while in the tub.

One such person, 32-year-old Richard Bull of London, died on
December 11 from an electric shock he received when his iPhone
charger touched the water of the bath he was in. The coroner
examining the case, Dr. Sean Cummings, last week ruled the death
as accidental, but said he intended to ask Apple to take steps
to help prevent further such incidents.

Cummings said that while smartphones “seem like innocuous
devices … they can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in a
bathroom,” adding that handset makers “should attach warnings”
to the devices to warn of the risks.


Problem with warnings is that the more you have, the less likely
you'll read 'em all.


A Mac user read? Did the moon crash into the earth?


http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-charging-
accident/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_ca
mpaign=sidebar


  #72  
Old March 23rd 17, 10:52 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

On 2017-03-23 18:18:40 +0000, Wolf K said:

On 2017-03-23 11:20, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:45:12 -0400, Wolf K wrote

:

On 2017-03-23 10:26, Jolly Roger wrote:
Nope. The car wasn't moving when she put the cup between her legs to
remove the lid in order to add creamer, etc.

Good grief. Do you mean that McDonald's didn't add that before handing


her the coffee?

I guess one reason that we prefer Timmie's is that they add the
cream/milk/sugar before they hand you the coffee. And while it's hot,
it's never too hot.


I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd
be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or
creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also
pre-condiment your burger? :-)


You order and get exactly what you want: nothing, cream, double milk,
etc etc. "Double double" means double cream with double sugar. For some
reason, a lot of people like that. Not me, I hate sugar in coffee. ;-)

Have a good day,


In California a "Double-Double" is the In-n-Out Burger go-to burger.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

  #73  
Old March 23rd 17, 11:15 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:21:48 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

On 2017-03-23 15:40, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:18:40 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2017-03-23 11:20, Char Jackson wrote:


I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd
be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or
creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also
pre-condiment your burger? :-)

You order and get exactly what you want: nothing, cream, double milk,
etc etc. "Double double" means double cream with double sugar.



Interesting! I've never heard "double milk" or "double sugar, but I'd
have no trouble understanding it. But if someone said "double double,"
I wouldn't know what he meant.


It's a Canadian thing.

:-)


As is Timmie's. ;-)

  #74  
Old March 23rd 17, 11:32 PM posted to alt.test, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
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Default Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution

In article
chrisv wrote:

Jorge wrote:



*plonk*


plonk

  #75  
Old March 23rd 17, 11:59 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech
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On 2017-03-23 20:29:08 +0000, nospam said:

Yes, for a company the size of McDonalds, coffee burns at a rate of one
or two a week is probably a positive indication of how *good* they are
doing.


nonsense.


It is not nonsense. You seem to have no sense of proportion. Out of
450,000 burns/year requiring a trip to the ER, McD's might be
responsible for as much as .001% of them, and then *only* if you assume
that most or all of those were serious (which is an unjustified
assumption, given that the 700 reports were of "varying degrees of
severity").

Again, if McD's were the maimer of all these "children and babies" as
you claim, there would be an uproar. It is simply not true. Nothing
changed as a result of this fiasco except that McD's now has a warning
that 'coffee is hot'. We are all stupider for it.

A.

 




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