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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers? Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience: 1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?) 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?) Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007: A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good. B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled. C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows). http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct: a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements. https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3 b. It says something about "css" notifications as shown below. Quote:
In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions. Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and, Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007? -- Note that PDF is not in the picture, nor are screenshots, as the need is to edit this Powerpoint 2007 file forever over time as needed by various individuals. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
In article , Chaya Eve
wrote: Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience: 1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?) rtfm 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?) consult with a licensed attorney in your area. Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007: A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good. B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled. then you ****ed up. C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows). http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct: that's a first. a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements. https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3 no it doesn't. there's a contact link at that site. ask them what is required. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
Chaya Eve wrote in
news Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers? Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience: 1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?) 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?) In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions. Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and, Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007? I have no idea about how to embed a font in a PowerPoint presentation since it is about ten years since I worked with it. As far as the legality is concerned, the real issue is 'Is this going to produce income for me/for the entity I work for/for the customer I am creating this for? I am assuming you downloaded this font for free. If so, there is an implied consent to use it in any of your work product, as long as there is no income to you or because of your work using that font. So, if you want to use this particular font in a commercial product, you are required to contact the copyright holder and receive permission to do so. They may grant it gratis, or they may ask for a fee of some sort. That is up to them. As for the details, the creator of the intellectual property, in this case a font, is defacto the copyright holder of that property, which means they hold all rights to its use, and can expect fair compensation for its use in a commercial product. Most of the time in a situation like this the owner will include reference something like the Creative Commons copyright statement, which explicitly states allowable uses and conditions for use. Granted, some creators don't understant the whole IP issue, and others don't care, they just want to show off their work, and their compensation is the fact that someone else is using it. This comes to the real issue with imbedding the font. By doing so you are distributing the IP of the creator without their permission, unless they have granted it as part of the download process. It may seem like splitting hairs, but if instead of imbedding the font, you make it clear that the recipient needs to download the font themselves in order to make your work product work properly. To further confuse the issue, since you are doing this as part of your compensated employment, it could conceivably be argued that you are receiveing compensation for the use of this font, and should be obtaining the permission of the copyright holder for its use, even if you don't distribute it to anyone else. That is pushing the envelope, but I think it is a valid point. All of the above is my admittedly non-professional understanding of Intellectual Property rights as applied to this situation. I am sure I am wrong somewhere inside of these statements, and that others here will correct me, hopefully in a kindly fashion. As always, this advice is worth what you paid for it, and for a completely accurate answer to your second question you should contact an expert in Intellectual Property law and the rights therein. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
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Chaya Eve wrote: Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers? Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience: 1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?) 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?) I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others do not. Andre -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
On 08/09/2017 18:38, Chaya Eve wrote:
Can you help with technical and legal background No we don't help idiots like you who can't know where they are posting their questions to. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup, NOT some cesspit for any rubbish question about sex, drugs and alcohol. Go and **** yourself and stop cross posting to some useless newsgroups which are known to disseminate majority of spam on these newsgroups. You are not even using Windows 10 so what the **** are you wasting your time here? -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:51:05 +0100, Good Guy
wrote: This is a Windows 10 newsgroup, It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac). "First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint. That's a real pity and a real impediment to cross-platform compatibility." http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm But embedding fonts on Windows is also sometimes problematic. "Next, if you're trying to embed OpenType (OTF) fonts, see You cannot embed an Adobe OpenType font in a document in an Office program. Note that this applies to fonts with an .OTF extension. Some fonts will appear in Control Panel | Fonts with an "O" icon and identify themselves as OpenType, but will have a .TTF extension." This question will require someone who knows what they're talking about, and not someone with an opinion (which everyone has) about fonts so it's best that you and that nospam clod just leave the conversation sooner rather than later. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:59:14 GMT, Tim wrote:
As far as the legality is concerned, the real issue is 'Is this going to produce income for me/for the entity I work for/for the customer I am creating this for? No income whatsoever. It's just a set of custom private property signs befitting of California Penal Code 602L (e.g., 2-inch letters, greater than one square foot in area, etc.). I am assuming you downloaded this font for free. Yup. This comes to the real issue with imbedding the font. By doing so you are distributing the IP of the creator without their permission, unless they have granted it as part of the download process. Interesting observation where I can add a text to the last page of the PowerPoint documentation, but it's not going to show up on the sign itself. It may seem like splitting hairs, but if instead of imbedding the font, you make it clear that the recipient needs to download the font themselves in order to make your work product work properly. I understand what you're saying. It's too much work for others but if those are the rules, then those are the rules. At the moment, I just want to embed the font into PowerPoint and then let others do what they want with the document since we have a printer who will print them for us for free at the local high school. Since the school is involved, I just want the legality to be covered even as there is no cost and this is part of the projects for the kids. Thanks for your observations! |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
In article , Chaya Eve
wrote: This is a Windows 10 newsgroup, It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac). nonsense. macs set the standard for font handling. also, true type fonts were a collaboration between apple and microsoft to compete with adobe. you've also confirmed that you're nothing more than a troll, not that there was any doubt. "First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint. That's a real pity and a real impediment to cross-platform compatibility." http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm that is specific to powerpoint, not mac os. there are other presentation apps, including ones that *aren't* available on windows. But embedding fonts on Windows is also sometimes problematic. "Next, if you're trying to embed OpenType (OTF) fonts, see You cannot embed an Adobe OpenType font in a document in an Office program. Note that this applies to fonts with an .OTF extension. Some fonts will appear in Control Panel | Fonts with an "O" icon and identify themselves as OpenType, but will have a .TTF extension." so windows isn't as good as you claim. what a surprise. not. This question will require someone who knows what they're talking about, and not someone with an opinion (which everyone has) about fonts so it's best that you and that nospam clod just leave the conversation sooner rather than later. it's best that you troll elsewhere. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-08 19:21:06 +0000, Andre G. Isaak said:
In article , Chaya Eve wrote: Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers? Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience: 1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?) 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?) I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others do not. In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g. in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF using them. BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\ I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before "web fonts" came along. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
In message Chaya Eve wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:51:05 +0100, Good Guy wrote: This is a Windows 10 newsgroup, It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac). Delusional much? "First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint. That's a real pity and a real impediment to cross-platform compatibility." Microsoft always finds a way to ****ify their software. This has nothing to do with the Mac, only with Microsoft's incompetence. -- http://www.pvponline.com/comic/2004/01/14/wed-jan-14/ |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name wrote:
In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g. in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF using them. If necessary, outlines should work because we are only going to print to plastic cutouts to lay on the 12"x18" steel sign surface. BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\ Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs, the "small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites. But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex. https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek The license says: "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright notifications remain intact." The copyright says: "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved." So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007? I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before "web fonts" came along. I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of the text in PowerPoint that is distributed. But how is that done? Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint? |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:21:06 -0600, "Andre G. Isaak"
wrote: The second depends entirely on the end-user license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others do not. As stated in the OP, the font is a standard free font for road signs. And, as stated in the OP, the question is a specific question of that font. Specifically "Roadgeek 2005 Series B", as stated in the OP: https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3 As explained there, the "license" line simply says: "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright notifications remain intact" And as explained there, the "trademark" line simply says: "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved." There is a trademark line: "Roadgeek 2005 Series B is a trademark of Michael D. Adams." I can find no contact information for this Mr. Adams. There is nothing about embedding that I can find anywhere on the net. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 23:41:48 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote: Microsoft always finds a way to ****ify their software. This has nothing to do with the Mac, only with Microsoft's incompetence. You two clueless clods have already proven you know nothing about the topic. As stated prior it's best that you and that nospam clueless clod just leave the conversation sooner rather than later because this isn't about your pet peeves. The question is about: Q1: Embedding a specific font into both Mac & Windows PowerPoint 2007. Q2: Complying with the legal agreement that the copyright remain intact. Embedding a font into Windows PowerPoint 2007 is described he https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint The line of interest on embedding in that summary is: "You can embed any TrueType font ... if they do not have license restrictions." An embedding problem we need to solve is described he http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm The line of interest on embedding in that summary is: "Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint." The second question is complying with the legal agreement. http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005 The line of interest in the legal agreement is: "The license is freeware, non commercial." Despite you having whooshed on the question, the question was clear. Since you have already proven you know absolutely nothing of the topic, it's best that you two clueless clods leave the conversation sooner rather than later. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
"Chaya Eve" wrote
| The license says: | "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright | notifications remain intact." | | The copyright says: | "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved." | | So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007? | I would interpret that to mean that you need to include a copy of the license when you distribute the font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded from font sites. I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT. But if you want to be respectful and play it safe, you could distribute the font and license along with the PPT, and include an attribution, like: Thank you to Michael D. Adams for use of the XYZ font. This file is included to accomodate his licensing terms. XYF font is Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved. If you do that then you can also solve the embedding problem. The down side would be that your recipients would need to install the font. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve
wrote: In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions. Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and, Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007? This is not a question for clueless clods such as Goodguy, Lewis, & nospam. To clarify the font issue for non-commercial use in road signs, much has been written about the subject of choosing roadsign fonts: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/ma...12fonts-t.html The current standard USA sign font is (still) Gothic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Gothic More than a decade ago the choice was either Gothic or Clearview: https://typographica.org/on-typograp...r-us-highways/ Where Clearview began to be phased in around 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface) However Clearview was discontinued due to issues: http://news.averydennison.com/blog/h...nt-refuses-die Today, the best public font for road signs is: https://store.typenetwork.com/foundr...ies/interstate However, that font is not a free font; but legally free fonts exist. https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek Specifically I have chosen the free "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" narrow font: http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005 Download the desired free font ("Roadside Series B Regular") he https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3 Determine the license agreement, where the license says: "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright notifications remain intact." The copyright notification says: "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved." Look up how to embed the fonts into Windows PowerPoint 2007: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint Check for compatibility issues with Mac PowerPoint 2007: http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is: "Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint." The line of interest in the copyright notice is: "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright notifications remain intact" The questions, as stated in the original post, are only about: Q1: Embedding a specific font into both Mac & Windows PowerPoint 2007. Q2: Complying with the legal agreement that the copyright remain intact. |
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