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Old September 8th 17, 06:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007:
A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good.
B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled.
C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to
load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable
Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows).
http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html

Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct:
a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3
b. It says something about "css" notifications as shown below.
Quote:
Using @import CSS directive, put the following line in add to your css
file.(http | https)@import
url(//db.onlinewebfonts.com/c/458cf7aea231a973eb1beacfc13bb8b3?family=Roadgeek+2 005+Series+B);
c. I have no idea what that means in terms of the editable PowerPoint 2007.

In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions.
Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and,
Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007?

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Old September 8th 17, 07:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article , Chaya Eve
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Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)


rtfm

2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)


consult with a licensed attorney in your area.

Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007:
A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good.
B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled.


then you ****ed up.

C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to
load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable
Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows).
http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html

Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct:


that's a first.

a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3


no it doesn't.

there's a contact link at that site. ask them what is required.
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Old September 8th 17, 07:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

Chaya Eve wrote in
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Can you help with technical and legal background information on how
to use a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and
printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions.
Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit,
and, Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in
PPT 2007?

I have no idea about how to embed a font in a PowerPoint presentation
since it is about ten years since I worked with it.

As far as the legality is concerned, the real issue is 'Is this going to
produce income for me/for the entity I work for/for the customer I am
creating this for? I am assuming you downloaded this font for free. If
so, there is an implied consent to use it in any of your work product, as
long as there is no income to you or because of your work using that
font. So, if you want to use this particular font in a commercial
product, you are required to contact the copyright holder and receive
permission to do so. They may grant it gratis, or they may ask for a fee
of some sort. That is up to them.

As for the details, the creator of the intellectual property, in this
case a font, is defacto the copyright holder of that property, which
means they hold all rights to its use, and can expect fair compensation
for its use in a commercial product. Most of the time in a situation like
this the owner will include reference something like the Creative Commons
copyright statement, which explicitly states allowable uses and
conditions for use. Granted, some creators don't understant the whole IP
issue, and others don't care, they just want to show off their work, and
their compensation is the fact that someone else is using it.

This comes to the real issue with imbedding the font. By doing so you are
distributing the IP of the creator without their permission, unless they
have granted it as part of the download process. It may seem like
splitting hairs, but if instead of imbedding the font, you make it clear
that the recipient needs to download the font themselves in order to make
your work product work properly. To further confuse the issue, since you
are doing this as part of your compensated employment, it could
conceivably be argued that you are receiveing compensation for the use of
this font, and should be obtaining the permission of the copyright holder
for its use, even if you don't distribute it to anyone else. That is
pushing the envelope, but I think it is a valid point.

All of the above is my admittedly non-professional understanding of
Intellectual Property rights as applied to this situation. I am sure I am
wrong somewhere inside of these statements, and that others here will
correct me, hopefully in a kindly fashion.

As always, this advice is worth what you paid for it, and for a
completely accurate answer to your second question you should contact an
expert in Intellectual Property law and the rights therein.
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Old September 8th 17, 08:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)


I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.

Andre

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Old September 8th 17, 09:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint

On 08/09/2017 18:38, Chaya Eve wrote:
Can you help with technical and legal background


No we don't help idiots like you who can't know where they are posting
their questions to. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup, NOT some cesspit
for any rubbish question about sex, drugs and alcohol.

Go and **** yourself and stop cross posting to some useless newsgroups
which are known to disseminate majority of spam on these newsgroups.

You are not even using Windows 10 so what the **** are you wasting your
time here?






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Old September 8th 17, 10:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:51:05 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

This is a Windows 10 newsgroup,


It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle
fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac).

"First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of
this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that
have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint. That's a real pity
and a real impediment to cross-platform compatibility."
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

But embedding fonts on Windows is also sometimes problematic.

"Next, if you're trying to embed OpenType (OTF) fonts, see You cannot embed
an Adobe OpenType font in a document in an Office program. Note that this
applies to fonts with an .OTF extension. Some fonts will appear in Control
Panel | Fonts with an "O" icon and identify themselves as OpenType, but
will have a .TTF extension."

This question will require someone who knows what they're talking about,
and not someone with an opinion (which everyone has) about fonts so it's
best that you and that nospam clod just leave the conversation sooner
rather than later.
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Old September 8th 17, 10:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:59:14 GMT, Tim wrote:

As far as the legality is concerned, the real issue is 'Is this going to
produce income for me/for the entity I work for/for the customer I am
creating this for?


No income whatsoever. It's just a set of custom private property signs
befitting of California Penal Code 602L (e.g., 2-inch letters, greater than
one square foot in area, etc.).

I am assuming you downloaded this font for free.

Yup.


This comes to the real issue with imbedding the font. By doing so you are
distributing the IP of the creator without their permission, unless they
have granted it as part of the download process.


Interesting observation where I can add a text to the last page of the
PowerPoint documentation, but it's not going to show up on the sign itself.

It may seem like
splitting hairs, but if instead of imbedding the font, you make it clear
that the recipient needs to download the font themselves in order to make
your work product work properly.


I understand what you're saying. It's too much work for others but if those
are the rules, then those are the rules.

At the moment, I just want to embed the font into PowerPoint and then let
others do what they want with the document since we have a printer who will
print them for us for free at the local high school.

Since the school is involved, I just want the legality to be covered even
as there is no cost and this is part of the projects for the kids.

Thanks for your observations!
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Old September 8th 17, 10:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:


This is a Windows 10 newsgroup,


It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle
fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac).


nonsense. macs set the standard for font handling.

also, true type fonts were a collaboration between apple and microsoft
to compete with adobe.

you've also confirmed that you're nothing more than a troll, not that
there was any doubt.

"First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of
this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that
have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint. That's a real pity
and a real impediment to cross-platform compatibility."
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm


that is specific to powerpoint, not mac os.

there are other presentation apps, including ones that *aren't*
available on windows.

But embedding fonts on Windows is also sometimes problematic.

"Next, if you're trying to embed OpenType (OTF) fonts, see You cannot embed
an Adobe OpenType font in a document in an Office program. Note that this
applies to fonts with an .OTF extension. Some fonts will appear in Control
Panel | Fonts with an "O" icon and identify themselves as OpenType, but
will have a .TTF extension."


so windows isn't as good as you claim.

what a surprise. not.

This question will require someone who knows what they're talking about,
and not someone with an opinion (which everyone has) about fonts so it's
best that you and that nospam clod just leave the conversation sooner
rather than later.


it's best that you troll elsewhere.
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Old September 8th 17, 11:32 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On 2017-09-08 19:21:06 +0000, Andre G. Isaak said:
In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)


I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.


In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\


I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

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Old September 9th 17, 12:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint

In message Chaya Eve wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:51:05 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:


This is a Windows 10 newsgroup,


It's also a Mac newsgroup where the problem is that the Macs can't handle
fonts as well as Windows does (and where some users are on the Mac).


Delusional much?

"First off, if you use a Mac version of Office, you can skip the rest of
this page. Mac PowerPoint can't embed fonts, and it can't use fonts that
have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint. That's a real pity
and a real impediment to cross-platform compatibility."


Microsoft always finds a way to ****ify their software. This has nothing
to do with the Mac, only with Microsoft's incompetence.

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Old September 9th 17, 02:18 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name wrote:

In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.


If necessary, outlines should work because we are only going to print to
plastic cutouts to lay on the 12"x18" steel sign surface.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\


Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs, the
"small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available
everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites.

But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.


I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?

Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?
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Old September 9th 17, 02:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:21:06 -0600, "Andre G. Isaak"
wrote:

The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.


As stated in the OP, the font is a standard free font for road signs.
And, as stated in the OP, the question is a specific question of that font.

Specifically "Roadgeek 2005 Series B", as stated in the OP:
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3

As explained there, the "license" line simply says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact"

And as explained there, the "trademark" line simply says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

There is a trademark line:
"Roadgeek 2005 Series B is a trademark of Michael D. Adams."

I can find no contact information for this Mr. Adams.
There is nothing about embedding that I can find anywhere on the net.


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Old September 9th 17, 02:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 23:41:48 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote:

Microsoft always finds a way to ****ify their software. This has nothing
to do with the Mac, only with Microsoft's incompetence.


You two clueless clods have already proven you know nothing about the topic.

As stated prior it's best that you and that nospam clueless clod just leave
the conversation sooner rather than later because this isn't about your pet
peeves.

The question is about:
Q1: Embedding a specific font into both Mac & Windows PowerPoint 2007.
Q2: Complying with the legal agreement that the copyright remain intact.

Embedding a font into Windows PowerPoint 2007 is described he
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

The line of interest on embedding in that summary is:
"You can embed any TrueType font ... if they do not have license
restrictions."

An embedding problem we need to solve is described he
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

The line of interest on embedding in that summary is:
"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."

The second question is complying with the legal agreement.
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

The line of interest in the legal agreement is:
"The license is freeware, non commercial."

Despite you having whooshed on the question, the question was clear.

Since you have already proven you know absolutely nothing of the topic,
it's best that you two clueless clods leave the conversation sooner rather
than later.
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Old September 9th 17, 02:54 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

"Chaya Eve" wrote

| The license says:
| "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
| notifications remain intact."
|
| The copyright says:
| "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."
|
| So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?
|
I would interpret that to mean that you need to
include a copy of the license when you distribute the
font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded
from font sites.
I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT. But if
you want to be respectful and play it safe, you could
distribute the font and license along with the PPT, and
include an attribution, like:

Thank you to Michael D. Adams for use of the XYZ
font. This file is included to accomodate his licensing
terms.
XYF font is Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005.
All rights reserved.

If you do that then you can also solve the embedding
problem. The down side would be that your recipients
would need to install the font.


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Old September 9th 17, 03:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve
wrote:

In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions.
Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and,
Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007?


This is not a question for clueless clods such as Goodguy, Lewis, & nospam.

To clarify the font issue for non-commercial use in road signs,
much has been written about the subject of choosing roadsign fonts:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/ma...12fonts-t.html

The current standard USA sign font is (still) Gothic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Gothic

More than a decade ago the choice was either Gothic or Clearview:
https://typographica.org/on-typograp...r-us-highways/

Where Clearview began to be phased in around 2002:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface)

However Clearview was discontinued due to issues:
http://news.averydennison.com/blog/h...nt-refuses-die

Today, the best public font for road signs is:
https://store.typenetwork.com/foundr...ies/interstate

However, that font is not a free font; but legally free fonts exist.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek

Specifically I have chosen the free "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" narrow font:
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

Download the desired free font ("Roadside Series B Regular") he
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3

Determine the license agreement, where the license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

The copyright notification says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

Look up how to embed the fonts into Windows PowerPoint 2007:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

Check for compatibility issues with Mac PowerPoint 2007:
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is:
"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."

The line of interest in the copyright notice is:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact"

The questions, as stated in the original post, are only about:
Q1: Embedding a specific font into both Mac & Windows PowerPoint 2007.
Q2: Complying with the legal agreement that the copyright remain intact.
 




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