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SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in the year 2018
On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:42:24 -0800, ultred ragnusen
wrote: A much better solution is buying an inexpensive ($10 or so) external USB case for it, removing it from the computer, and putting it in the case. That's also much easier to use than it is to disconnect an internal cable. USB connections to Windows have their own horrid frailties which I'd rather not tempt fate upon ever again! Once again, I completely disagree. I've done it umpteen times on umpteen computers and never had a single problem. In fact, a backup an external USB hard drive is going on right now, as I'm typing this message. |
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SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in theyear 2018
On 03/01/2018 12:46 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:42:24 -0800, ultred ragnusen wrote: A much better solution is buying an inexpensive ($10 or so) external USB case for it, removing it from the computer, and putting it in the case. That's also much easier to use than it is to disconnect an internal cable. USB connections to Windows have their own horrid frailties which I'd rather not tempt fate upon ever again! Once again, I completely disagree. I've done it umpteen times on umpteen computers and never had a single problem. In fact, a backup an external USB hard drive is going on right now, as I'm typing this message. Been using USB external drives for years with no problems. Rene |
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SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in theyear 2018
On 03/01/2018 1:02 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 03/01/2018 12:46 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:42:24 -0800, ultred ragnusen wrote: A much better solution is buying an inexpensive ($10 or so) external USB case for it, removing it from the computer, and putting it in the case. That's also much easier to use than it is to disconnect an internal cable. USB connections to Windows have their own horrid frailties which I'd rather not tempt fate upon ever again! Once again, I completely disagree. I've done it umpteen times on umpteen computers and never had a single problem. In fact, a backup an external USB hard drive is going on right now, as I'm typing this message. Been using USB external drives for years with no problems. Rene I might add, not only for backups but for important archive material Also. Rene |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 22:37:22 -0800, ultred ragnusen wrote: Char Jackson wrote: I have a suggestion. ;-) Yes. Backup. Except that it's /inside/ the computer, unless I disconnect the cable /after/ the backup, which is easily enough done so that a virus can't get to it. Yes, that protects against some problems such as viruses. But it doesn't protect against theft of the computer. A much better solution is buying an inexpensive ($10 or so) external USB case for it, removing it from the computer, and putting it in the case. That's also much easier to use than it is to disconnect an internal cable. It's more than that. We need to encourage people to "air gap" their backup disk drives. It's for Ransomware. Modern Ransomware can follow any wired or wireless path and destroy stuff. It can hit your Dropbox or OneDrive or Google Drive. Only the hard drive you hid under your sofa cushions is safe. Paul |
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SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in theyear 2018
On 03/01/2018 2:23 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 22:37:22 -0800, ultred ragnusen wrote: Char Jackson wrote: I have a suggestion. ;-) Yes. Backup. Except that it's /inside/ the computer, unless I disconnect the cable /after/ the backup, which is easily enough done so that a virus can't get to it. Yes, that protects against some problems such as viruses. But it doesn't protect against theft of the computer. A much better solution is buying an inexpensive ($10 or so) external USB case for it, removing it from the computer, and putting it in the case. That's also much easier to use than it is to disconnect an internal cable. It's more than that. We need to encourage people to "air gap" their backup disk drives. It's for Ransomware. Modern Ransomware can follow any wired or wireless path and destroy stuff. It can hit your Dropbox or OneDrive or Google Drive. Only the hard drive you hid under your sofa cushions is safe. Â*Â* Paul I concur Paul, I'm running about a 10 inch airgap and it works like a charm. Aint no way a ransomware dude can throw his signals that far. :-) Rene |
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SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in theyear 2018
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/3/2018 16:27, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote: "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote in message news I downloaded the installer earlier this year using a valid product key, if I remember correctly. That option only functioned with a valid retail full version product key and the ability to download O2K7 from that site was discontinued well before 'earlier this year' You're memory is off by more than a few months. But that product key option is still there in the webpage. I suppose you could still do it now. If the service was discontinued, that webpage should not have a textbox for product key. Uh... The OP was looking for Office 2007 Pro -Did you read the notes stating which versions can be downloaded before suggesting the site as a source to download Office 2007 Pro qp This page will allow you to download and reinstall Office for the following products: •Office 2010 •Office for Mac 2011 /qp Entering a valid retail O2K7 Pro product key will fail the verification process/validity check. qp The product key you entered is invalid or not supported by this site. Please contact Microsoft Support for assistance. /qp Which is exactly the process the op needed(and did) to do for MSFT to download and install O2K7 Pro install file x12-30196.exe(the RTM version) on his device. -- ....w¡ñ§±¤ñ msft mvp 2007-2016, insider mvp 2016-2018 |
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SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in the year 2018
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I might add, not only for backups but for important archive material Also. Do you never have a power interruption when you back up your data to those frail and vulnerable USB drives? I hear both what you and Ken said, but you provide false promises, since it is a well-known fact that I'm too experienced to not know about, but which you seem to be ignoring. It's /fine/ that you never had any problems, just like it's fine that you leave your chainsaw running all day in the nursery and your kids never cut their fingers off ... but there are some things that are known facts that are real, and where you do a disservice to others by denying the obvious. If you have a power or data interruption when using a USB drive on Windows, you /definitely/ risk corruption of the HDD contents. Period. If you wish to ignore or downplay that bona fide fact, so be it, but I will remind other that I'm too experienced to believe that what you say ameliorates that very real risk. If you still with to ignore or downlplay well known facts (known to me empirically), I will dig up references but I'll only go to that trouble if you (or Ken) subsequently deny the veracity of my words. To be sure, I do not mean to be combative in the least ... I simply mean to be factual and honest with those facts. |
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SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in theyear 2018
On 03/01/2018 8:26 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: I might add, not only for backups but for important archive material Also. Do you never have a power interruption when you back up your data to those frail and vulnerable USB drives? One seven minute downtime in 2 years. Would your internal Sata drive keep running during a power outage?? You must have discovered perpetual motion if they do. I hear both what you and Ken said, but you provide false promises, since it is a well-known fact that I'm too experienced to not know about, but which you seem to be ignoring. I don't provide any promises, I'm just telling what works fine for me, Other people can make their own choices. Your Experienced!!! At What??? It's /fine/ that you never had any problems, just like it's fine that you leave your chainsaw running all day in the nursery and your kids never cut their fingers off ... but there are some things that are known facts that are real, and where you do a disservice to others by denying the obvious. That's a **** poor analogy if I ever heard one. If you have a power or data interruption when using a USB drive on Windows, you /definitely/ risk corruption of the HDD contents. Period. Versus a Sata drive which runs on air ? If you wish to ignore or downplay that bona fide fact, so be it, but I will remind other that I'm too experienced to believe that what you say ameliorates that very real risk. If you still with to ignore or downlplay well known facts (known to me empirically), I will dig up references but I'll only go to that trouble if you (or Ken) subsequently deny the veracity of my words. I don't need your references. To be sure, I do not mean to be combative in the least ... I simply mean to be factual and honest with those facts. Neither I, but you brought this on to yourself. |
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ultred ragnusen wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: I might add, not only for backups but for important archive material Also. Do you never have a power interruption when you back up your data to those frail and vulnerable USB drives? Some of us use UPS boxes to ensure "clean" shutdowns in the event of a power problem. A backup operation can be repeated later, once power is restored. The intention is not to have UPS boxes that are so big, as to stay running. If you're a rich guy, you could have a Tesla Power Wall, as an example of keeping your household running no matter what. For the rest of us, a UPS capable of a "two minute warning" is sufficient for this job. Paul |
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SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in the year 2018
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
One seven minute downtime in 2 years. Would your internal Sata drive keep running during a power outage?? You must have discovered perpetual motion if they do. As usual, you bring up a valid point, but the SATA-power question doesn't really doesn't change the fact that you don't pull your SATA drive out of the port and its cables don't get knocked or pulled out without thinking about it consciously and opening up the case of the computer (which isn't gonna realistically happen). Having noted that huge difference, I would like you to expound though, on that fact which you noted, which is what does happen when, say, the power goes out when a SATA drive is being written to by Windows? Does /that/ (admittedly rare) occurrence chance corruption of the entire disk (which is what I've seen with USB drives)? I don't provide any promises, I'm just telling what works fine for me, Other people can make their own choices. As long as you note, realistically, that if you improperly disconnect USB drives in Windows, there is a reasonably high chance of corruption, I'm ok with you stating that leaving the chainsaw in the nursery never hurt your kids. Your Experienced!!! At What??? Data corruption. If you want, I can even dig up the threads, but the last time I trusted a USB drive for backup was years ago. That's a **** poor analogy if I ever heard one. I agree that it's more emphatic than it needs to be, but my point was simply that the fact you never had an accident doesn't mean that riding a motorcycle is more dangerous than driving a SUV. A USB drive is far more dangerous than most other types of drives with respect to operating-system induced corruption. That's a fact, which we can debate the percentage of danger of, but which is a fact nonetheless, just as riding a motorcycle is inherently more dangerous than is driving a car. If you have a power or data interruption when using a USB drive on Windows, you /definitely/ risk corruption of the HDD contents. Period. Versus a Sata drive which runs on air ? Air is good. I love air. Whatever suggestions you can impart for backing up over the air is good for me and good for the tribal knowledge. I don't disagree with any of your statements - I only disagree with your assessment of risk from those frail USB drives. I don't need your references. Good. I didn't want to have to dig up the obvious. To be sure, I do not mean to be combative in the least ... I simply mean to be factual and honest with those facts. Neither I, but you brought this on to yourself. We agree on almost everything other than the risk assessment of those frail USB drives. Let's leave it at that, because I've been burned and you have not been burned, so you haven't sworn off what I have. It's sort of like someone having been burned by cheap Chinese brake discs, who swears them off, even though someone else does just fine with them. I would like to know more about how you set up air SATA because that's a good idea, as long as it's feasible. Do you mean over the Wi-Fi LAN? |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I concur Paul, I'm running about a 10 inch airgap and it works like a charm. Aint no way a ransomware dude can throw his signals that far. :-) I agree with both of you that in air is safety. But how? Googling, it seems that an air-gap, in the simplest form, is just a computer disconnected from the net, which is unrealistic, in my situation. Hacker Lexicon: What Is an Air Gap? https://www.wired.com/2014/12/hacker-lexicon-air-gap/ "A true air gap means the machine or network is physically isolated from the internet, and data can only pass to it via a USB flash drive, other removable media, or a firewire connecting two computers directly." Although this exists ... but only for high value targets... Disk drive trick allows hackers to transmit data covertly from an air-gap computer https://techxplore.com/news/2016-08-...y-air-gap.html http://www.securitynewspaper.com/201...-drive-sounds/ https://arstechnica.com/information-...-drive-sounds/ etc. |
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"...w¡ñ§±¤ñ" wrote:
The 'xxxxx' in the your initial link(the same posted above) may appear to be significant, but once the link is opened in a browser, the internet's DNS server will resolve the link to the un-redacted location. http://web.archive.org/web/201201111.../X12-30196.exe Aurgh! Serves me right for trying to redact portions of the link! Thanks for your patience in answering my question! Much appreciated. In some cases one may see a 504 error due to a timeout error on the destination server yet in other cases(like mine on IE11, SeaMonkey, and Edge using the respective browser's default settings) the timeout is not absolute and the ability to download and save is valid. I see. It's capricious. The good news is that the link is preserved for tribal knowledge should someone need it out there, now, and in whatever future it's still valid for. One can see the proof in the two pics in the following links. The first pic shows how the 'xxxxx''ed link resolves to the correct location(web.archive to digital river hosted file) and the download/save file option.. The second pic shows 3 successful download/saves over the last 5 days(Feb. 24-28)- Same file, same size, etc. - which will install O2K7 Pro using a valid product key. Pic 1 http://wetakepic.com/image/vCiK Pic 2 http://wetakepic.com/image/vCiD Thanks for those proof of concept nicely edited screenshots! Much appreciated that you've confirmed, for others, that this is a valid way to obtain the software, which, I would suggest, others archive now, as such things are ephemeral indeed. The whole goal of this thread was to help others, so I appreciate that you've clarified the links for me, and for the many others who may care. Incidentally, the above file X12-30196.exe is the file you said(your initial post) MSFT used to install O2K7 Pro on your machine. "He downloaded to somewhere (I can't find it anymore) a file named: X12-30196.exe." Yeah. You're right. I don't know why he seems to have /deleted/ the file after he installed it, as it shouldn't have been a risk to him since I'm clearly a valid user. And later confirmed the installation using that file "Which installed Microsoft Office Pro 2007 after he ran the installer which brought up a notice that "Microsoft Office 2007 Professional has been successfully installed" Which is contrary to your later statement that said: "...the support guys downloaded from this digital river archive (which doesn't work for me now). http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/01/32000519-3082940-O12SBATR-NOA/msoffice/pub/X12-30283/X12-30283.exe" Looking at your initial post you stated x12-30283 didn't work. "also failed to work on my system using the default browser setup. http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/01/xxxxxxxx-012SBATR-NOA/msoffice/pub/X12-30283/X12-30283.exe" Thank you for bringing up that inconsistency. I think, as I recall, I had to go away from my computer to grab a camera because I realized that when the MS person was in control of my computer, the print-screen didn't work. DO you know why the print screen didn't work? Anyway, I had to /leave/ the computer to get my camera, and even so, I wasn't able to take a picdture of every step, especially as a /second/ support person joined the line (without asking me) and then left, which I only noticed belatedly when I reviewed the pictures. So, I may have missed a few steps, as certainly I never saw the deletion of the file, and I missed the early stages of getting the file. Keeping track of what happened can be challenging for all of us at times but based on your info.. For tribal knowledge purposes - X12-30196.exe was the vehicle to install O2K7 Pro, not X12--30283.exe Thanks for figuring that out, as it was happening in real time where I was trying to capture what they did with a camera (I only belatedly realized the screenshots weren't working) so that the tribal knowledge would benefit. Thanks for clarifying my mistakes in that ad-hoc process. If IE11 on Win10 isn't yielding successful results to download x12-30196 then resetting IE11 to its default settings might be a solution to obtain it, but if not then it would appear you could have other application software running some other type of interference preventing that ability. Thank you, on behalf of me, and everyone here, for explaining and clarifying which URLs will work, today, and under what circumstances, because the goal is to help others do what MS did for me. Thanks! |
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Paul wrote:
Do you never have a power interruption when you back up your data to those frail and vulnerable USB drives? Some of us use UPS boxes to ensure "clean" shutdowns in the event of a power problem. While I live in what appears to be the third world of power reliability (the power goes out, on average, about a dozen times a year in the California Santa Cruz Mountains), I'm /mostly/ talking about yanking the USB cable out without performing the multi-step hardware shutdown process. I was lulled into complacency because your data isn't corrupted every time you yank a USB device out of its port without the multi-step shutdown process being elicited, but I was taught a hard lesson by more than one corruption, the worst of which was on a large USB drive just after backing up large amounts of data, which subsequently had to be recovered painstakingly with Recuva (flat, and missing key elements of the file names) because I didn't realize until (months?) later that Windows had corrupted the frail USB drive. At that point, which wasn't my first rodeo with the inherent corruptability of those frail USB drives, I swore them off forever. You have clearly either been luckier than I, or you've exercised far more caution when disconnecting those frail USB drives from your Windows computer. A backup operation can be repeated later, once power is restored. In the case that caused me to swear off those frail USB drives forever, I didn't realize until (months?) later that the drive had been corrupted by the last action on it. The intention is not to have UPS boxes that are so big, as to stay running. If you're a rich guy, you could have a Tesla Power Wall, as an example of keeping your household running no matter what. For the rest of us, a UPS capable of a "two minute warning" is sufficient for this job. While our power is highly unreliable (everyone has a generator which kicks in soon after the power shuts down), I'm mostly talking about the frailties of the USB drives that are inherently activated when you disconnect the USB cable on purpose or accidentally without first shutting down the USB drive through the multi-step Windows process. |
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On 03/01/2018 9:04 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: One seven minute downtime in 2 years. Would your internal Sata drive keep running during a power outage?? You must have discovered perpetual motion if they do. As usual, you bring up a valid point, but the SATA-power question doesn't really doesn't change the fact that you don't pull your SATA drive out of the port and its cables don't get knocked or pulled out without thinking about it consciously and opening up the case of the computer (which isn't gonna realistically happen). Having noted that huge difference, I would like you to expound though, on that fact which you noted, which is what does happen when, say, the power goes out when a SATA drive is being written to by Windows? Does /that/ (admittedly rare) occurrence chance corruption of the entire disk (which is what I've seen with USB drives)? I don't provide any promises, I'm just telling what works fine for me, Other people can make their own choices. As long as you note, realistically, that if you improperly disconnect USB drives in Windows, there is a reasonably high chance of corruption, I'm ok with you stating that leaving the chainsaw in the nursery never hurt your kids. Your Experienced!!! At What??? Data corruption. If you want, I can even dig up the threads, but the last time I trusted a USB drive for backup was years ago. That's a **** poor analogy if I ever heard one. I agree that it's more emphatic than it needs to be, but my point was simply that the fact you never had an accident doesn't mean that riding a motorcycle is more dangerous than driving a SUV. A USB drive is far more dangerous than most other types of drives with respect to operating-system induced corruption. That's a fact, which we can debate the percentage of danger of, but which is a fact nonetheless, just as riding a motorcycle is inherently more dangerous than is driving a car. If you have a power or data interruption when using a USB drive on Windows, you /definitely/ risk corruption of the HDD contents. Period. Versus a Sata drive which runs on air ? Air is good. I love air. Whatever suggestions you can impart for backing up over the air is good for me and good for the tribal knowledge. I don't disagree with any of your statements - I only disagree with your assessment of risk from those frail USB drives. I don't need your references. Good. I didn't want to have to dig up the obvious. To be sure, I do not mean to be combative in the least ... I simply mean to be factual and honest with those facts. Neither I, but you brought this on to yourself. We agree on almost everything other than the risk assessment of those frail USB drives. Let's leave it at that, because I've been burned and you have not been burned, so you haven't sworn off what I have. It's sort of like someone having been burned by cheap Chinese brake discs, who swears them off, even though someone else does just fine with them. I would like to know more about how you set up air SATA because that's a good idea, as long as it's feasible. Do you mean over the Wi-Fi LAN? I don't know where you get this *frail* USB drive from, My external USB drives are the same Seagate 1 terabyte drives as my internal Sata Seagate drives with a different interface. The air thing was sarcasm of a sort. Rene |
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SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in theyear 2018
On 03/01/2018 9:10 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: I concur Paul, I'm running about a 10 inch airgap and it works like a charm. Aint no way a ransomware dude can throw his signals that far. :-) I agree with both of you that in air is safety. But how? Googling, it seems that an air-gap, in the simplest form, is just a computer disconnected from the net, which is unrealistic, in my situation. Hacker Lexicon: What Is an Air Gap? https://www.wired.com/2014/12/hacker-lexicon-air-gap/ "A true air gap means the machine or network is physically isolated from the internet, and data can only pass to it via a USB flash drive, other removable media, or a firewire connecting two computers directly." Although this exists ... but only for high value targets... Disk drive trick allows hackers to transmit data covertly from an air-gap computer https://techxplore.com/news/2016-08-...y-air-gap.html http://www.securitynewspaper.com/201...-drive-sounds/ https://arstechnica.com/information-...-drive-sounds/ etc. An air gap in my case is the seperation between the male end of the external USB drive power cord and the 120 volt AC receptacle. Or the distance between the drives USB cable plug and the USB port on the computer. Rene |
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