Windows Media Player - Where is it?

I have four Win10 Home machines. All came with Win10 Home, factory (HP
and Dell)installed, some with the 1607 version, but they are all now up
to version 1709, one at build 16299.192, the others at build 16299.248

On three of my Win10 Home machines, which include builds 16299.199 and
248, Windows Media Player was included in the start list, and when
clicked on, wanted to be installed. When installed, the Help menu showed
Windows Media Player versions 12.0.16299.192 and version 12.0.16299.248,
depending on what Win10 Home build was on the machine. Not a problem.

Here's what I don't understand. One the fourth machine, Windows Media
Player is not in the start list, and, when I type Windows Media Player in
the Cortana orb, I'm only given web locations to look at. When I go to
the web location, including a Microsoft site, I'm told Windows Media
Player is included with machines that came with Windows 10 installed.

Also, if I go to SettingsAppsDefaultAppsMusicPlayer, the choices that
appear a

Groove Music
Power Media Player by Dell
VLC Media Player
Windows Media Player
Look for an app in the Store

I have set Windows Media Player as the default. VLC was the previous
default.

Notice that Windows Media Player appears, even though I can't find it in
the Start list, and the Cortana orb sends me to the web. It's as if it's
not on this machine, but it is.

I have a single mp3 on this desktop. If I double-click on it, Windows
Media Player says Hi, Welcome, and wants to be installed. I haven't done
that yet. If I do an 'open with' click, I'm give three choices: Power
Media Player by Dell, VLC Media Player, and Windows Media Player. Power
Media Player by Dell and VLC Media Player will both play the mp3, and
Windows Media Player wants to be installed.

Any ideas as to why on this particular machine, Windows Media Player is
hidden so well? My initial thought was that Dell has hidden it, and
wants to sell an upgrade to Power Media Player by Dell (it will play
music and display pics and dvds, and I suspect it has limited
functionality unless upgraded for a fee). On the other hand, the other
Dell machine that didn't hide Windows Media Player, is about 18 months
older, and came with Cyberlink Power Player, which doesn't rip or burn,
etc, so it's not competing with Windows Media Player.

In summary, my thought is that if the OEM includes a competitive product
to Windows Media Player, the OEM 'hides' Windows Media Player from the
purchaser. Yes? No? Is there another reason for hiding Windows Media
Player, other than Microsoft wants us to use other Store apps?

On 08/03/2018 01:22, KenW wrote:

Gee, I type wmp and it comes up, no problem.



But you are brighter than Boris Karloff. It's silly to compare yourself
with a demented 89 years old. You are 78 and he is 89. Rene is 96.
Norman died a few months ago. He was 97.


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Boris wrote:
I have four Win10 Home machines. All came with Win10 Home, factory (HP
and Dell)installed, some with the 1607 version, but they are all now up
to version 1709, one at build 16299.192, the others at build 16299.248

On three of my Win10 Home machines, which include builds 16299.199 and
248, Windows Media Player was included in the start list, and when
clicked on, wanted to be installed. When installed, the Help menu showed
Windows Media Player versions 12.0.16299.192 and version 12.0.16299.248,
depending on what Win10 Home build was on the machine. Not a problem.

Here's what I don't understand. One the fourth machine, Windows Media
Player is not in the start list, and, when I type Windows Media Player in
the Cortana orb, I'm only given web locations to look at. When I go to
the web location, including a Microsoft site, I'm told Windows Media
Player is included with machines that came with Windows 10 installed.

Also, if I go to SettingsAppsDefaultAppsMusicPlayer, the choices that
appear a

Groove Music
Power Media Player by Dell
VLC Media Player
Windows Media Player
Look for an app in the Store

I have set Windows Media Player as the default. VLC was the previous
default.

Notice that Windows Media Player appears, even though I can't find it in
the Start list, and the Cortana orb sends me to the web. It's as if it's
not on this machine, but it is.

I have a single mp3 on this desktop. If I double-click on it, Windows
Media Player says Hi, Welcome, and wants to be installed. I haven't done
that yet. If I do an 'open with' click, I'm give three choices: Power
Media Player by Dell, VLC Media Player, and Windows Media Player. Power
Media Player by Dell and VLC Media Player will both play the mp3, and
Windows Media Player wants to be installed.

Any ideas as to why on this particular machine, Windows Media Player is
hidden so well? My initial thought was that Dell has hidden it, and
wants to sell an upgrade to Power Media Player by Dell (it will play
music and display pics and dvds, and I suspect it has limited
functionality unless upgraded for a fee). On the other hand, the other
Dell machine that didn't hide Windows Media Player, is about 18 months
older, and came with Cyberlink Power Player, which doesn't rip or burn,
etc, so it's not competing with Windows Media Player.

In summary, my thought is that if the OEM includes a competitive product
to Windows Media Player, the OEM 'hides' Windows Media Player from the
purchaser. Yes? No? Is there another reason for hiding Windows Media
Player, other than Microsoft wants us to use other Store apps?

Maybe the OEM just switched off WMP in the Programs and Features ?

https://s10.postimg.org/pi6mifso9/wmp.gif

If you cannot find the control panels, type "control" in Cortana
and the top item can take you there. From Start : Run it would
be "control.exe".

Paul

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 00:40:48 -0000 (UTC), Boris
wrote:

I have four Win10 Home machines. All came with Win10 Home, factory (HP
and Dell)installed, some with the 1607 version, but they are all now up
to version 1709, one at build 16299.192, the others at build 16299.248

On three of my Win10 Home machines, which include builds 16299.199 and
248, Windows Media Player was included in the start list, and when
clicked on, wanted to be installed. When installed, the Help menu showed
Windows Media Player versions 12.0.16299.192 and version 12.0.16299.248,
depending on what Win10 Home build was on the machine. Not a problem.

Here's what I don't understand. One the fourth machine, Windows Media
Player is not in the start list, and, when I type Windows Media Player in
the Cortana orb, I'm only given web locations to look at. When I go to
the web location, including a Microsoft site, I'm told Windows Media
Player is included with machines that came with Windows 10 installed.

Also, if I go to SettingsAppsDefaultAppsMusicPlayer, the choices that
appear a

Groove Music
Power Media Player by Dell
VLC Media Player
Windows Media Player
Look for an app in the Store

I have set Windows Media Player as the default. VLC was the previous
default.

Notice that Windows Media Player appears, even though I can't find it in
the Start list, and the Cortana orb sends me to the web. It's as if it's
not on this machine, but it is.

I have a single mp3 on this desktop. If I double-click on it, Windows
Media Player says Hi, Welcome, and wants to be installed. I haven't done
that yet. If I do an 'open with' click, I'm give three choices: Power
Media Player by Dell, VLC Media Player, and Windows Media Player. Power
Media Player by Dell and VLC Media Player will both play the mp3, and
Windows Media Player wants to be installed.

Any ideas as to why on this particular machine, Windows Media Player is
hidden so well? My initial thought was that Dell has hidden it, and
wants to sell an upgrade to Power Media Player by Dell (it will play
music and display pics and dvds, and I suspect it has limited
functionality unless upgraded for a fee). On the other hand, the other
Dell machine that didn't hide Windows Media Player, is about 18 months
older, and came with Cyberlink Power Player, which doesn't rip or burn,
etc, so it's not competing with Windows Media Player.

In summary, my thought is that if the OEM includes a competitive product
to Windows Media Player, the OEM 'hides' Windows Media Player from the
purchaser. Yes? No? Is there another reason for hiding Windows Media
Player, other than Microsoft wants us to use other Store apps?

As far as I know, Microsoft is adamant about phasing out Windows Media
Player and getting people to use Films & TV instead. In fact, there
was an article about that a few days ago on neowin.net
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-wants-you-to-move-on-ditch-windows-media-player-for-movies--tv.
While Films & TV isn't perfect (especially with subtitles since they
seem to use a different standard than whatever Handbrake uses when you
rip a DVD), it does a good job and uses few resources.

On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 18:22:31 -0700, KenW kenw@
noplace.com wrote:

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 00:40:48 -0000 (UTC), Boris
wrote:

I have four Win10 Home machines. All came with Win10 Home, factory (HP
and Dell)installed, some with the 1607 version, but they are all now up
to version 1709, one at build 16299.192, the others at build 16299.248

On three of my Win10 Home machines, which include builds 16299.199 and
248, Windows Media Player was included in the start list, and when
clicked on, wanted to be installed. When installed, the Help menu showed
Windows Media Player versions 12.0.16299.192 and version 12.0.16299.248,
depending on what Win10 Home build was on the machine. Not a problem.

Here's what I don't understand. One the fourth machine, Windows Media
Player is not in the start list, and, when I type Windows Media Player in
the Cortana orb, I'm only given web locations to look at. When I go to
the web location, including a Microsoft site, I'm told Windows Media
Player is included with machines that came with Windows 10 installed.

Also, if I go to SettingsAppsDefaultAppsMusicPlayer, the choices that
appear a

Groove Music
Power Media Player by Dell
VLC Media Player
Windows Media Player
Look for an app in the Store

I have set Windows Media Player as the default. VLC was the previous
default.

Notice that Windows Media Player appears, even though I can't find it in
the Start list, and the Cortana orb sends me to the web. It's as if it's
not on this machine, but it is.

I have a single mp3 on this desktop. If I double-click on it, Windows
Media Player says Hi, Welcome, and wants to be installed. I haven't done
that yet. If I do an 'open with' click, I'm give three choices: Power
Media Player by Dell, VLC Media Player, and Windows Media Player. Power
Media Player by Dell and VLC Media Player will both play the mp3, and
Windows Media Player wants to be installed.

Any ideas as to why on this particular machine, Windows Media Player is
hidden so well? My initial thought was that Dell has hidden it, and
wants to sell an upgrade to Power Media Player by Dell (it will play
music and display pics and dvds, and I suspect it has limited
functionality unless upgraded for a fee). On the other hand, the other
Dell machine that didn't hide Windows Media Player, is about 18 months
older, and came with Cyberlink Power Player, which doesn't rip or burn,
etc, so it's not competing with Windows Media Player.

In summary, my thought is that if the OEM includes a competitive product
to Windows Media Player, the OEM 'hides' Windows Media Player from the
purchaser. Yes? No? Is there another reason for hiding Windows Media
Player, other than Microsoft wants us to use other Store apps?


Gee, I type wmp and it comes up, no problem.

Your Windows installation might not be using the latest updates.
Microsoft seems to have removed it from the operating system even if
it is installed in the accessories part of the Apps control panel. On
mine, writing WMP will indeed come up when you write it in, but it
will be a link to a web page about the software.

A M wrote in :

On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 18:22:31 -0700, KenW kenw@
noplace.com wrote:

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 00:40:48 -0000 (UTC), Boris
wrote:

I have four Win10 Home machines. All came with Win10 Home, factory
(HP and Dell)installed, some with the 1607 version, but they are all
now up to version 1709, one at build 16299.192, the others at build
16299.248

On three of my Win10 Home machines, which include builds 16299.199
and 248, Windows Media Player was included in the start list, and
when clicked on, wanted to be installed. When installed, the Help
menu showed Windows Media Player versions 12.0.16299.192 and version
12.0.16299.248, depending on what Win10 Home build was on the
machine. Not a problem.

Here's what I don't understand. One the fourth machine, Windows
Media Player is not in the start list, and, when I type Windows Media
Player in the Cortana orb, I'm only given web locations to look at.
When I go to the web location, including a Microsoft site, I'm told
Windows Media Player is included with machines that came with Windows
10 installed.

Also, if I go to SettingsAppsDefaultAppsMusicPlayer, the choices
that appear a

Groove Music
Power Media Player by Dell
VLC Media Player
Windows Media Player
Look for an app in the Store

I have set Windows Media Player as the default. VLC was the previous
default.

Notice that Windows Media Player appears, even though I can't find it
in the Start list, and the Cortana orb sends me to the web. It's as
if it's not on this machine, but it is.

I have a single mp3 on this desktop. If I double-click on it,
Windows Media Player says Hi, Welcome, and wants to be installed. I
haven't done that yet. If I do an 'open with' click, I'm give three
choices: Power Media Player by Dell, VLC Media Player, and Windows
Media Player. Power Media Player by Dell and VLC Media Player will
both play the mp3, and Windows Media Player wants to be installed.

Any ideas as to why on this particular machine, Windows Media Player
is hidden so well? My initial thought was that Dell has hidden it,
and wants to sell an upgrade to Power Media Player by Dell (it will
play music and display pics and dvds, and I suspect it has limited
functionality unless upgraded for a fee). On the other hand, the
other Dell machine that didn't hide Windows Media Player, is about 18
months older, and came with Cyberlink Power Player, which doesn't rip
or burn, etc, so it's not competing with Windows Media Player.

In summary, my thought is that if the OEM includes a competitive
product to Windows Media Player, the OEM 'hides' Windows Media Player
from the purchaser. Yes? No? Is there another reason for hiding
Windows Media Player, other than Microsoft wants us to use other
Store apps?


Gee, I type wmp and it comes up, no problem.


Thanks for the reply.

Your Windows installation might not be using the latest updates.

I believe you are right about KenW's install. My machine which exibits
this behavior is the machine with the most recent build, that 'hides'
WMP. I no longer think it has anything to do with the OEM install of
Windows10 Home. (See response to Paul.)

Microsoft seems to have removed it from the operating system even if
it is installed in the accessories part of the Apps control panel.

Hmmm...not sure it's been removed from the OS, because it is selectable
in DefaultApps, and it does show up in Manage optional feaatures. But, I
haven't installed it, which would be the acid test as to it's inclusion
in the OS.

On mine, writing WMP will indeed come up when you write it in, but it
will be a link to a web page about the software.

Exactly the same here.

BTW, what is "accessories part of the Apps control panel" ? I have the
Control Panel pinned to my Taskbar, and regardless of the View I use
(Category or Icon), I don't see anything related to 'accessories'.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 21:55:37 -0000 (UTC), Boris
wrote:

A M wrote in :

On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 18:22:31 -0700, KenW kenw@
noplace.com wrote:

On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 00:40:48 -0000 (UTC), Boris
wrote:

I have four Win10 Home machines. All came with Win10 Home, factory
(HP and Dell)installed, some with the 1607 version, but they are all
now up to version 1709, one at build 16299.192, the others at build
16299.248

On three of my Win10 Home machines, which include builds 16299.199
and 248, Windows Media Player was included in the start list, and
when clicked on, wanted to be installed. When installed, the Help
menu showed Windows Media Player versions 12.0.16299.192 and version
12.0.16299.248, depending on what Win10 Home build was on the
machine. Not a problem.

Here's what I don't understand. One the fourth machine, Windows
Media Player is not in the start list, and, when I type Windows Media
Player in the Cortana orb, I'm only given web locations to look at.
When I go to the web location, including a Microsoft site, I'm told
Windows Media Player is included with machines that came with Windows
10 installed.

Also, if I go to SettingsAppsDefaultAppsMusicPlayer, the choices
that appear a

Groove Music
Power Media Player by Dell
VLC Media Player
Windows Media Player
Look for an app in the Store

I have set Windows Media Player as the default. VLC was the previous
default.

Notice that Windows Media Player appears, even though I can't find it
in the Start list, and the Cortana orb sends me to the web. It's as
if it's not on this machine, but it is.

I have a single mp3 on this desktop. If I double-click on it,
Windows Media Player says Hi, Welcome, and wants to be installed. I
haven't done that yet. If I do an 'open with' click, I'm give three
choices: Power Media Player by Dell, VLC Media Player, and Windows
Media Player. Power Media Player by Dell and VLC Media Player will
both play the mp3, and Windows Media Player wants to be installed.

Any ideas as to why on this particular machine, Windows Media Player
is hidden so well? My initial thought was that Dell has hidden it,
and wants to sell an upgrade to Power Media Player by Dell (it will
play music and display pics and dvds, and I suspect it has limited
functionality unless upgraded for a fee). On the other hand, the
other Dell machine that didn't hide Windows Media Player, is about 18
months older, and came with Cyberlink Power Player, which doesn't rip
or burn, etc, so it's not competing with Windows Media Player.

In summary, my thought is that if the OEM includes a competitive
product to Windows Media Player, the OEM 'hides' Windows Media Player
from the purchaser. Yes? No? Is there another reason for hiding
Windows Media Player, other than Microsoft wants us to use other
Store apps?


Gee, I type wmp and it comes up, no problem.


Thanks for the reply.

Your Windows installation might not be using the latest updates.

I believe you are right about KenW's install. My machine which exibits
this behavior is the machine with the most recent build, that 'hides'
WMP. I no longer think it has anything to do with the OEM install of
Windows10 Home. (See response to Paul.)

Microsoft seems to have removed it from the operating system even if
it is installed in the accessories part of the Apps control panel.

Hmmm...not sure it's been removed from the OS, because it is selectable
in DefaultApps, and it does show up in Manage optional feaatures. But, I
haven't installed it, which would be the acid test as to it's inclusion
in the OS.

On mine, writing WMP will indeed come up when you write it in, but it
will be a link to a web page about the software.

Exactly the same here.

BTW, what is "accessories part of the Apps control panel" ? I have the
Control Panel pinned to my Taskbar, and regardless of the View I use
(Category or Icon), I don't see anything related to 'accessories'.

I didn't explain myself well since I didn't use the appropriate
terminology. On the other hand, Microsoft seems to change it from one
version to another. Here's a link to what I'm referring to. Notice the
optional features at the top https://kek.gg/i/4vqSJP.jpg

In my case, Windows Media Player is actually installed but won't run.
Microsoft seems to really not want us to use it.

A M wrote in :


I didn't explain myself well since I didn't use the appropriate
terminology. On the other hand, Microsoft seems to change it from one
version to another. Here's a link to what I'm referring to. Notice the
optional features at the top https://kek.gg/i/4vqSJP.jpg

In my case, Windows Media Player is actually installed but won't run.
Microsoft seems to really not want us to use it.

I am running Win 10 Pro 1709 (16299.248) and am currently listening to one
of my play lists using WMP. On my systems, it has been there as far back as
I can remember.

I may be an Old Fart, but I stay away from any of the tiles apps Microsoft
seems to be in love with. The only ones I have found that seem to be
worthwhile are a couple of the calculators, a couple of the games, and the
clock, timer, alarm app. I see no advantage being a new style app brings,
but that is the only way I can find some of the apps I like.

Paul wrote in news
Boris wrote:
I have four Win10 Home machines. All came with Win10 Home, factory
(HP and Dell)installed, some with the 1607 version, but they are all
now up to version 1709, one at build 16299.192, the others at build
16299.248

On three of my Win10 Home machines, which include builds 16299.199
and 248, Windows Media Player was included in the start list, and
when clicked on, wanted to be installed. When installed, the Help
menu showed Windows Media Player versions 12.0.16299.192 and version
12.0.16299.248, depending on what Win10 Home build was on the
machine. Not a problem.

Here's what I don't understand. One the fourth machine, Windows
Media Player is not in the start list, and, when I type Windows Media
Player in the Cortana orb, I'm only given web locations to look at.
When I go to the web location, including a Microsoft site, I'm told
Windows Media Player is included with machines that came with Windows
10 installed.

Also, if I go to SettingsAppsDefaultAppsMusicPlayer, the choices
that appear a

Groove Music
Power Media Player by Dell
VLC Media Player
Windows Media Player
Look for an app in the Store

I have set Windows Media Player as the default. VLC was the previous
default.

Notice that Windows Media Player appears, even though I can't find it
in the Start list, and the Cortana orb sends me to the web. It's as
if it's not on this machine, but it is.

I have a single mp3 on this desktop. If I double-click on it,
Windows Media Player says Hi, Welcome, and wants to be installed. I
haven't done that yet. If I do an 'open with' click, I'm give three
choices: Power Media Player by Dell, VLC Media Player, and Windows
Media Player. Power Media Player by Dell and VLC Media Player will
both play the mp3, and Windows Media Player wants to be installed.

Any ideas as to why on this particular machine, Windows Media Player
is hidden so well? My initial thought was that Dell has hidden it,
and wants to sell an upgrade to Power Media Player by Dell (it will
play music and display pics and dvds, and I suspect it has limited
functionality unless upgraded for a fee). On the other hand, the
other Dell machine that didn't hide Windows Media Player, is about 18
months older, and came with Cyberlink Power Player, which doesn't rip
or burn, etc, so it's not competing with Windows Media Player.

In summary, my thought is that if the OEM includes a competitive
product to Windows Media Player, the OEM 'hides' Windows Media Player
from the purchaser. Yes? No? Is there another reason for hiding
Windows Media Player, other than Microsoft wants us to use other
Store apps?

Maybe the OEM just switched off WMP in the Programs and Features ?



If you cannot find the control panels, type "control" in Cortana
and the top item can take you there. From Start : Run it would
be "control.exe".

Paul


Thanks for that gif. I never would have known that, but when I did look,
Windows Media Player was enabled (checked). It's this fact that turned
my thinking around that the OEM wasn't responsible for 'hiding' WMP. If
the OEM wanted to direct the user to their product, that would have been
too easy.

It's gotta be the build number that 'hides' the items that Microsoft
wants to phase out. (This machine suto-updated from build 16299.248
yesterday, to 16299.251 at the end of the day, yesterday.)

While tracking this lost WMP thing, I also noticed both WMP and Internet
Explorer 11 appeared

On 08/03/2018 23:52, Tim wrote:
I am running Win 10 Pro 1709 (16299.248) and am currently listening to one
of my play lists using WMP. On my systems, it has been there as far back as
I can remember.


You are also the most stupid person who won't change bad habits and
continue to use a product that has passed its "Sell-By-Date". Microsoft
has created a top-Notch product to replace WMP but you are lazy *******
who won't bother to find out anything about it.


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news
On 08/03/2018 23:52, Tim wrote:
I am running Win 10 Pro 1709 (16299.248) and am currently listening
to one of my play lists using WMP. On my systems, it has been there
as far back as I can remember.


You are also the most stupid person who won't change bad habits and
continue to use a product that has passed its "Sell-By-Date".
Microsoft has created a top-Notch product to replace WMP but you are
lazy ******* who won't bother to find out anything about it.


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OK, so tell me about this wonderful new Microsoft product and why I should
change from something that works just fine, just because there is something
new out there.

On Thu, 08 Mar 2018 23:52:26 GMT, Tim wrote:

A M wrote in :


I didn't explain myself well since I didn't use the appropriate
terminology. On the other hand, Microsoft seems to change it from one
version to another. Here's a link to what I'm referring to. Notice the
optional features at the top https://kek.gg/i/4vqSJP.jpg

In my case, Windows Media Player is actually installed but won't run.
Microsoft seems to really not want us to use it.

I am running Win 10 Pro 1709 (16299.248) and am currently listening to one
of my play lists using WMP. On my systems, it has been there as far back as
I can remember.

I may be an Old Fart, but I stay away from any of the tiles apps Microsoft
seems to be in love with. The only ones I have found that seem to be
worthwhile are a couple of the calculators, a couple of the games, and the
clock, timer, alarm app. I see no advantage being a new style app brings,
but that is the only way I can find some of the apps I like.

The advantages of the new style of app include a reduction of resource
use as well as increased security through sandboxing. While we know
the former to be true, the latter seems to have been compromised to a
certain extent.

A M wrote in :


The advantages of the new style of app include a reduction of resource
use as well as increased security through sandboxing. While we know
the former to be true, the latter seems to have been compromised to a
certain extent.

So what is supposed to be the official Microsoft replacement for Windows
Media Player?

On Fri, 09 Mar 2018 14:29:34 GMT, Tim wrote:

A M wrote in :


The advantages of the new style of app include a reduction of resource
use as well as increased security through sandboxing. While we know
the former to be true, the latter seems to have been compromised to a
certain extent.

So what is supposed to be the official Microsoft replacement for Windows
Media Player?

Films & TV from what I can tell. I imagine that whatever featuers WMP
has which aren't yet in Films & TV will be added between now and 2028.

Tim wrote:

what is supposed to be the official Microsoft replacement for Windows
Media Player?

VLC or Kodi ...