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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
Hi All,
Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E Card – USB 3 PCI It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot. Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right? Siig? Many thanks, -T |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
T wrote:
Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E Card – USB 3 PCI It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot. Which one? https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/USB-3.0/Cards/ Since you mentioned "dual port", I'll assume just 2 backside ports: one USB-A and the other USB-C. That narrows the list down to: PEXUSB311AC2 https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapt...d~PEXUSB311AC2 PEXUSB311A1C https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapt...d~PEXUSB311A1C Under the Support tab on those product pages, the same driver is listed: [ASMedia ASM1142] Windows USB 3.1 Controller Card.zip Version: 1.16.47.2 If I was installing that daughtercard, I'd first try with just the card (hardware only) to see if the Windows-included drivers worked okay. If not, then I'd install the vendor-supplied drivers. if those didn't work, I'd go to the chip maker (likely Asmedia per the driver title) to see if their drivers worked. Since the product description says it supports USB 3.1 Gen 2 (for 10 Gbps), from: http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_prod...3&cate_index=0 I'd try the USB 3.1 Gen 2 device controller chip. Clicking on that drops down a list of 3 chip models. Look at the daughtercard to see which chip number is used on that card. StarTech also lists the chip number in their product description (but when I went bas to the Asmedia site then they were down). Alas, none of those had a link to a driver download. I suspect the driver is selected based on a combination of the USB controller chip along with the PCIE bridge chip (since you are bridging USB protocol to PCIe protocol). I went to http://www.asmedia.com.tw/ to see if they had a download page for drivers. Whatever their Flash content was, I'm not going to see it (have Flash disabled in my web browsers). Looks like the general public doesn't get their drivers. No such thing as perfect hardware for all units. Could be you got a bad one. Called StarTech support yet? |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
On 06/01/2018 11:42 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 Which one? PEXUSB311AC2 https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapt...d~PEXUSB311AC2 |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
T wrote:
Hi All, Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E Card – USB 3 PCI It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot. Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right? Siig? Many thanks, -T PCI Express should have CRC per packet. If you could find a statistics counter, you could see if it's doing excessive retries or something. http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...&cate_index=98 The chip uses PCIe Rev2 x2 or PCIe Rev3 x1 lanes. I would start by plugging it into a x16 video card slot, because the primary slot is pretty well guaranteed to have a low jitter clock for the thing. Depending on the design, some other slots might be using regenerated clocks of some sort. At times like this, I have a PCI bus video card I can use, which frees up more choices for PCIe tests. Sure, it could be drivers, but this is Asmedia, and they have half a clue. They do a lot of this stuff. I could see some other brands leaving a few doubts in your mind, but these guys do pretty well at it. The PCB design could be bad, so there's always that. You'd need to see a reference design, with notes, to understand how they could screw it up (usually that sort of info is under NDA). ******* Don't forget to do a memtest86+ test run on the PC in question, as there's a remote chance it could be RAM related. And this particular stress test just happened to uncover it. Paul |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
On 6/1/2018 1:39 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 Â*Â*Â* StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x Â*Â*Â* USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E Â*Â*Â* Card – USB 3 PCI It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot. Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right?Â* Siig? Many thanks, -T I have been using this one on Win 7 Home 64 bit for over a year without problems. On sale $19.99 for 4 port card. http://www.kdlinks.com/index.php/usb-3-0/kdlinksr-usb-3-0-super-speed-4-port-pci-e-express-extension-card-with-4-pin-power-connector-for-desktops.html -- Zaidy036 |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
On 06/01/2018 01:52 PM, Zaidy036 wrote:
On 6/1/2018 1:39 PM, T wrote: Hi All, Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 Â*Â*Â*Â* StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x Â*Â*Â*Â* USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E Â*Â*Â*Â* Card – USB 3 PCI It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot. Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right?Â* Siig? Many thanks, -T I have been using this one on Win 7 Home 64 bit for over a year without problems. On sale $19.99 for 4 port card. http://www.kdlinks.com/index.php/usb-3-0/kdlinksr-usb-3-0-super-speed-4-port-pci-e-express-extension-card-with-4-pin-power-connector-for-desktops.html Cool. Thank you! I am looking to see if they have a 3.1 card right now. :-) |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
On 06/01/2018 02:20 PM, T wrote:
On 06/01/2018 01:52 PM, Zaidy036 wrote: On 6/1/2018 1:39 PM, T wrote: Hi All, Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 Â*Â*Â*Â* StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x Â*Â*Â*Â* USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E Â*Â*Â*Â* Card – USB 3 PCI It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot. Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right?Â* Siig? Many thanks, -T I have been using this one on Win 7 Home 64 bit for over a year without problems. On sale $19.99 for 4 port card. http://www.kdlinks.com/index.php/usb-3-0/kdlinksr-usb-3-0-super-speed-4-port-pci-e-express-extension-card-with-4-pin-power-connector-for-desktops.html Cool.Â* Thank you! I am looking to see if they have a 3.1 card right now. Nope. Rats! |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
T wrote:
On 06/01/2018 11:42 AM, VanguardLH wrote: Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 Which one? PEXUSB311AC2 https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapt...d~PEXUSB311AC2 The specs there say it uses a 2142 chip. http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...cate_index=175 Support PCI Express Revision 3 x2 Paul |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
On 06/01/2018 10:39 AM, T wrote:
Hi All, Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 Â*Â*Â* StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x Â*Â*Â* USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E Â*Â*Â* Card – USB 3 PCI It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot. Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right?Â* Siig? Many thanks, -T I am looking at this one: http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-type-a-c.html But I can not tell which chipset it uses |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
On 06/01/2018 04:33 PM, T wrote:
On 06/01/2018 10:39 AM, T wrote: Hi All, Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2 Â*Â*Â*Â* StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x Â*Â*Â*Â* USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E Â*Â*Â*Â* Card – USB 3 PCI It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot. Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right?Â* Siig? Many thanks, -T I am looking at this one: http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-type-a-c.html But I can not tell which chipset it uses Found it: Chipset: Asmedia ASM1142 Wonder if it works any better than the asmedia 2142? |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
Paul wrote:
T wrote: PEXUSB311AC2 https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapt...d~PEXUSB311AC2 The specs there say it uses a 2142 chip. http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...cate_index=175 Support PCI Express Revision 3 x2 Does Windows 7 include in its install image a driver compatible with USB 3.1? From a cursory online scan, looks like the user must install a driver to add USB 3.1 support (perhaps just an INF file to define the characteristics and naming of the device). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ed-usb-drivers I didn't find "3.1" in the usb.inf file but then I didn't find "3.0" or "2.0", either. In the "[Manufacturer]" section, only some makers are listed (to reference later sections in the INF file); else, the device would be handled as a generic or standard USB device. While USB controllers on the mobo should be detected by Windows, will USB controllers on PCI[e] cards be automatically detected by Windows and hence the need for a driver to identify the device to Windows? I also looked in winusb.inf. Nothing there noted USB versions as to what Windows 7 would natively support with its included drivers. I'm not disassembling the usbccgp.sys or winusb.sys driver files to see if they indicate support for USB 3.x (especially 3.1). From memory and some cursory reading just now, Windows 7 only supports up to USB 2.0. For example, see: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us.../mini-pcs.html The OP must install a driver to add USB 3.x support in Windows 7. The OP never mentioned which driver he used for the PCI-e daughtercard but then the OP merely mentioned the Asmedia chipped card from StarTech as a lamblast, not how to troubleshoot that card, and instead was looking for alternative cards. Tough to make any suggestions if he is already having problems with a USB 3.1 card and its driver since the same could happen with any alternative suggestion. |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
T wrote:
T wrote: T wrote: Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right?* Siig? I am looking at this one: http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-type-a-c.html But I can not tell which chipset it uses Found it: Chipset: Asmedia ASM1142 Wonder if it works any better than the asmedia 2142? Note the list of operating systems supported by this card at: http://www.siig.com/download/search/...d=JU-P20A12-S1 (when going to your link for the product page, I clicked on Downloads to see what were available for this card.) Windows 7 is not included. Why? SIIG does *not* provide a driver for this card. They rely on the one included in Windows. However, as mentioned in my reply to Paul, Windows 7 only supports up to USB 2.0. Windows 7 does *NOT* natively support USB 3.x, so you cannot use this card with Windows 7. you MUST install a driver in Windows 7 to add USB 3.x, and SIIG doesn't provide one for that card. |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote: T wrote: PEXUSB311AC2 https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapt...d~PEXUSB311AC2 The specs there say it uses a 2142 chip. http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...cate_index=175 Support PCI Express Revision 3 x2 Does Windows 7 include in its install image a driver compatible with USB 3.1? From a cursory online scan, looks like the user must install a driver to add USB 3.1 support (perhaps just an INF file to define the characteristics and naming of the device). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ed-usb-drivers I didn't find "3.1" in the usb.inf file but then I didn't find "3.0" or "2.0", either. In the "[Manufacturer]" section, only some makers are listed (to reference later sections in the INF file); else, the device would be handled as a generic or standard USB device. While USB controllers on the mobo should be detected by Windows, will USB controllers on PCI[e] cards be automatically detected by Windows and hence the need for a driver to identify the device to Windows? I also looked in winusb.inf. Nothing there noted USB versions as to what Windows 7 would natively support with its included drivers. I'm not disassembling the usbccgp.sys or winusb.sys driver files to see if they indicate support for USB 3.x (especially 3.1). From memory and some cursory reading just now, Windows 7 only supports up to USB 2.0. For example, see: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us.../mini-pcs.html The OP must install a driver to add USB 3.x support in Windows 7. The OP never mentioned which driver he used for the PCI-e daughtercard but then the OP merely mentioned the Asmedia chipped card from StarTech as a lamblast, not how to troubleshoot that card, and instead was looking for alternative cards. Tough to make any suggestions if he is already having problems with a USB 3.1 card and its driver since the same could happen with any alternative suggestion. Windows 7 supports USB2, just as WinXP SP3 or so did. And in fact the "capture" is done via licensing. Intel releases INFINST.exe to install drivers. But the section for USB2 states "#include usbport" or similar. In other words, while Intel makes it look like they're providing a USB2 driver in that case, in fact they call the Microsoft INF for the job, and Microsoft does it. The Intel USB driver contributes a text string that shows in Device Manager. ******* On Windows 7, each manufacturer of chip provides a driver. If you install an add-on Asmedia card, it can only work if you insert your Asmedia CD and install the Win7 driver contained on the mini-CD. If you then buy a NEC/Renesas USB3 card and install that, then you need a separate driver from Renesas for that. The cards won't do anything until that step is taken. It's just as likely the problem in this cases is unrelated to the add-in hardware, as anything else. Similar to how I thought I had a storage issue (system crash after ~15GB of data transferred). But instead, it turned out to be bad RAM. A person can use Driver Verifier, assuming they can find a good article with suggested settings. But Driver Verifier is just as likely to make symptoms "disappear" while it's running, as flag an actual issue. That's what happened to me once, when I tried out Driver Verifier - the problem disappeared. Paul |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
On 06/01/2018 06:38 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: T wrote: T wrote: Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right?Â* Siig? I am looking at this one: http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-type-a-c.html But I can not tell which chipset it uses Found it: Chipset: Asmedia ASM1142 Wonder if it works any better than the asmedia 2142? Note the list of operating systems supported by this card at: http://www.siig.com/download/search/...d=JU-P20A12-S1 (when going to your link for the product page, I clicked on Downloads to see what were available for this card.) Windows 7 is not included. Why? SIIG does *not* provide a driver for this card. They rely on the one included in Windows. However, as mentioned in my reply to Paul, Windows 7 only supports up to USB 2.0. Windows 7 does *NOT* natively support USB 3.x, so you cannot use this card with Windows 7. you MUST install a driver in Windows 7 to add USB 3.x, and SIIG doesn't provide one for that card. I just will install the chipset drivers from Intel |
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Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?
VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: T wrote: T wrote: Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually works right? Siig? I am looking at this one: http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-type-a-c.html But I can not tell which chipset it uses Found it: Chipset: Asmedia ASM1142 Wonder if it works any better than the asmedia 2142? Note the list of operating systems supported by this card at: http://www.siig.com/download/search/...d=JU-P20A12-S1 (when going to your link for the product page, I clicked on Downloads to see what were available for this card.) Windows 7 is not included. Why? SIIG does *not* provide a driver for this card. They rely on the one included in Windows. However, as mentioned in my reply to Paul, Windows 7 only supports up to USB 2.0. Windows 7 does *NOT* natively support USB 3.x, so you cannot use this card with Windows 7. you MUST install a driver in Windows 7 to add USB 3.x, and SIIG doesn't provide one for that card. ASM1142 http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...&cate_index=98 * Support driver on Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1 * Support various Linux Kernels ASM2142 http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...cate_index=175 * Support driver on Windows7, Windows8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 * Support various Linux kernels Which implies that (somehow) the "flavor" of the 2142 isn't supported by Windows 10 itself at the moment. However, take these web page things with a grain of salt, because I've seen promises of drivers before on a chip manufacturer site, where in fact no such driver existed. Windows 7 is still in extended support, but companies do whatever the hell they feel like most of the time. It's strange that Siig doesn't offer a driver. Some of Siigs competitors are a bit better about this stuff. Paul |
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