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  #16  
Old June 2nd 18, 05:29 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

Paul wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

T wrote:

T wrote:

Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually
works right? Siig?
I am looking at this one:

http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-type-a-c.html

But I can not tell which chipset it uses
Found it:

Chipset: Asmedia ASM1142

Wonder if it works any better than the asmedia 2142?


Note the list of operating systems supported by this card at:

http://www.siig.com/download/search/...d=JU-P20A12-S1
(when going to your link for the product page, I clicked on Downloads to
see what were available for this card.)

Windows 7 is not included. Why? SIIG does *not* provide a driver for
this card. They rely on the one included in Windows. However, as
mentioned in my reply to Paul, Windows 7 only supports up to USB 2.0.
Windows 7 does *NOT* natively support USB 3.x, so you cannot use this
card with Windows 7. you MUST install a driver in Windows 7 to add USB
3.x, and SIIG doesn't provide one for that card.


ASM1142

http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...&cate_index=98

* Support driver on Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1
* Support various Linux Kernels

ASM2142

http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...cate_index=175

* Support driver on Windows7, Windows8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10
* Support various Linux kernels

Which implies that (somehow) the "flavor" of the 2142 isn't supported
by Windows 10 itself at the moment.

However, take these web page things with a grain of salt, because
I've seen promises of drivers before on a chip manufacturer site,
where in fact no such driver existed. Windows 7 is still in extended
support, but companies do whatever the hell they feel like most
of the time.

It's strange that Siig doesn't offer a driver. Some of
Siigs competitors are a bit better about this stuff.


I couldn't find drivers at Asmedia's web site, only at the SIIG site but
they don't offer one for this SIIG card. As you noted by Asmedia's
specs for that controller chip, Windows 7 is supported ... maybe. Be
interesting to see if T gets Intel's USB3 drivers to work under Windows
7 for that card.
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  #17  
Old June 2nd 18, 05:48 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

T wrote:

On 06/01/2018 06:38 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

T wrote:

T wrote:

Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually
works right?* Siig?

I am looking at this one:

http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-type-a-c.html

But I can not tell which chipset it uses

Found it:

Chipset: Asmedia ASM1142

Wonder if it works any better than the asmedia 2142?


Note the list of operating systems supported by this card at:

http://www.siig.com/download/search/...d=JU-P20A12-S1
(when going to your link for the product page, I clicked on Downloads to
see what were available for this card.)

Windows 7 is not included. Why? SIIG does *not* provide a driver for
this card. They rely on the one included in Windows. However, as
mentioned in my reply to Paul, Windows 7 only supports up to USB 2.0.
Windows 7 does *NOT* natively support USB 3.x, so you cannot use this
card with Windows 7. you MUST install a driver in Windows 7 to add USB
3.x, and SIIG doesn't provide one for that card.


I just will install the chipset drivers from Intel


https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25476

That only has a link to their Creator utility that somehow builds a
modified ISO image of the Windows 7 install image to install their USB3
driver(s). Sounds pretty much what nLite does, too (once you have the
driver files to add to the image). Doesn't look like this tool is a
driver installer, like to update Windows 7 to USB3 support.

Where are you getting the USB3 drivers from Intel?

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/pro...troller-Driver

I found some there but they are for specific Intel chipsets. Are you
using a mobo with an Intel chipset? If not, you'll have to get AMD's
mobo chipset driver that has USB3 support. I didn't find USB-only
drivers from AMD's site and their chipset drivers don't describe what
all they support in their drivers. I did find:

https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds030088
http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/MOT...indows-7.shtml

Might be generic enough to work on any AMD chipset mobo. If you get the
chip driver from the chip maker, those are reference drivers and may not
utilize all of a chip after it is in-circuit on the card due to missing
or additional ancillary logic on the board. Best is to see of the mobo
(or system maker for pre-builts) have the driver for however they
implemented the chip within their card design. You have to hope the
mobo or system maker hasn't yet abandoned Windows 7 or they didn't
design their product for a later version of Windows so they don't have
drivers for the older Windows versions.

http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/Oth...indows-7.shtml

That one doesn't list an AMD chipset. It is a chipset driver bundle, so
you might find it listed at AMD's site.
  #18  
Old June 2nd 18, 05:50 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

On 06/01/2018 09:29 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

T wrote:

T wrote:

Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually
works right? Siig?
I am looking at this one:

http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-type-a-c.html

But I can not tell which chipset it uses
Found it:

Chipset: Asmedia ASM1142

Wonder if it works any better than the asmedia 2142?

Note the list of operating systems supported by this card at:

http://www.siig.com/download/search/...d=JU-P20A12-S1
(when going to your link for the product page, I clicked on Downloads to
see what were available for this card.)

Windows 7 is not included. Why? SIIG does *not* provide a driver for
this card. They rely on the one included in Windows. However, as
mentioned in my reply to Paul, Windows 7 only supports up to USB 2.0.
Windows 7 does *NOT* natively support USB 3.x, so you cannot use this
card with Windows 7. you MUST install a driver in Windows 7 to add USB
3.x, and SIIG doesn't provide one for that card.


ASM1142

http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...&cate_index=98

* Support driver on Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1
* Support various Linux Kernels

ASM2142

http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...cate_index=175

* Support driver on Windows7, Windows8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10
* Support various Linux kernels

Which implies that (somehow) the "flavor" of the 2142 isn't supported
by Windows 10 itself at the moment.

However, take these web page things with a grain of salt, because
I've seen promises of drivers before on a chip manufacturer site,
where in fact no such driver existed. Windows 7 is still in extended
support, but companies do whatever the hell they feel like most
of the time.

It's strange that Siig doesn't offer a driver. Some of
Siigs competitors are a bit better about this stuff.


I couldn't find drivers at Asmedia's web site, only at the SIIG site but
they don't offer one for this SIIG card. As you noted by Asmedia's
specs for that controller chip, Windows 7 is supported ... maybe. Be
interesting to see if T gets Intel's USB3 drivers to work under Windows
7 for that card.



Crap! I am staring at the requirements:

Requirements

Desktop computer with one available PCIe slot 4x or larger
Windows® 10 (32-/64-bit) / 8.x (32-/64-bit)

If I don't get it to work out the box, I will have major egg on my face.

I hate when I come across an older system with only USB2 and the
customer need a fast backup system.





  #19  
Old June 2nd 18, 05:52 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

On 06/01/2018 09:48 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Where are you getting the USB3 drivers from Intel?


I usually get them from the motherboard vendor's web site.
Sometimes from Intel.
  #20  
Old June 2nd 18, 06:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

On 06/01/2018 10:39 AM, T wrote:
Hi All,

Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2

Â*Â*Â* StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x
Â*Â*Â* USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E
Â*Â*Â* Card – USB 3 PCI

It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your
boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot.

Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually
works right?Â* Siig?


Many thanks,
-T



Also looking at:
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboard-...pecifications/

It says Windows 7 support, but it has not axillary power connector,
so don't attempt to use anything that draws power.

What the hell...

  #21  
Old June 2nd 18, 06:06 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

T wrote:

T wrote:

Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually
works right? Siig?
I am looking at this one:

http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-type-a-c.html

But I can not tell which chipset it uses
Found it:

Chipset: Asmedia ASM1142

Wonder if it works any better than the asmedia 2142?
Note the list of operating systems supported by this card at:

http://www.siig.com/download/search/...d=JU-P20A12-S1
(when going to your link for the product page, I clicked on Downloads to
see what were available for this card.)

Windows 7 is not included. Why? SIIG does *not* provide a driver for
this card. They rely on the one included in Windows. However, as
mentioned in my reply to Paul, Windows 7 only supports up to USB 2.0.
Windows 7 does *NOT* natively support USB 3.x, so you cannot use this
card with Windows 7. you MUST install a driver in Windows 7 to add USB
3.x, and SIIG doesn't provide one for that card.

ASM1142

http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...&cate_index=98

* Support driver on Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1
* Support various Linux Kernels

ASM2142

http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...cate_index=175

* Support driver on Windows7, Windows8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10
* Support various Linux kernels

Which implies that (somehow) the "flavor" of the 2142 isn't supported
by Windows 10 itself at the moment.

However, take these web page things with a grain of salt, because
I've seen promises of drivers before on a chip manufacturer site,
where in fact no such driver existed. Windows 7 is still in extended
support, but companies do whatever the hell they feel like most
of the time.

It's strange that Siig doesn't offer a driver. Some of
Siigs competitors are a bit better about this stuff.


I couldn't find drivers at Asmedia's web site, only at the SIIG site but
they don't offer one for this SIIG card. As you noted by Asmedia's
specs for that controller chip, Windows 7 is supported ... maybe. Be
interesting to see if T gets Intel's USB3 drivers to work under Windows
7 for that card.


It almost looks like there is a different stack at work
when working with one of those chips (3.1) ?

https://plugable.com/2015/03/05/wind...st-controller/

SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION (asmtxhci.sys)

Looks like a good solid mature technology.

Paul
  #22  
Old June 2nd 18, 06:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

On 06/01/2018 10:39 AM, T wrote:
Hi All,

Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2

Â*Â*Â* StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x
Â*Â*Â* USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E
Â*Â*Â* Card – USB 3 PCI

It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your
boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot.

Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually
works right?Â* Siig?


Many thanks,
-T



If I move down to 3.0, I get

http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-3-0-pcie.html

with w7 support and a sata power connector

  #23  
Old June 2nd 18, 08:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

T wrote:

Crap! I am staring at the requirements:

Requirements

Desktop computer with one available PCIe slot 4x or larger
Windows® 10 (32-/64-bit) / 8.x (32-/64-bit)

If I don't get it to work out the box, I will have major egg on my face.

I hate when I come across an older system with only USB2 and the
customer need a fast backup system.


Does the mobo support eSATA (on which you could use a shielded SATA
cable)? Does the external drive's enclosure have both USB2/3 and eSATA
ports? If it has eSATA, go with that. You sure the external
USB-attached drive supports USB3? Else, you'd spend time and money
adding USB3 to the computer but the external drive can't use it.

USB2 is [theoretically] 480 Mbps. Does the customer's computer have a
NIC that can support 1 Gbps? If so, how about a NAS drive? Obviously
the customer cannot swamp their network with traffic due to the
collision detection and conflict handling of the Ethernet protocol. If
he downloads huge files from the Internet or passed them between his
intranet hosts, issues huge print jobs, or otherwises dumps on his
network then the NAS drive will get slower because its portion of the
remaining bandwidth gets smaller.

USB2 is 0.48 Gbps. NAS would be 1 Gbps. USB3 would be 5 Gbps. eSATA
would be 6 Gbps. What is an option and feasible depends on whether the
exiting USB2 external drive must continue being used or if different
external storage media is permitted.

Have you tried the Intel drivers (if the mobo has an Intel chipset) in
Windows 7 to see if you can get the Asmedia card to work properly?
Seems you were willing to try them with an unknown candidate replacement
card.
  #24  
Old June 2nd 18, 09:07 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

T wrote:

If I move down to 3.0, I get

http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/...-3-0-pcie.html

with w7 support and a sata power connector


You would only be moving down from USB 3.1 (10 Gbps) *if* the external
USB-attached drive also supports USB 3.1. Does it? Maybe it's just a
USB 3.0 device, so it'll max out at 5 Gbps (which is theoretical and
never obtainable) even when connected to a USB 3.1 port.

Also, while it mentions a PCI-e slot as a requirement, there's no
mention if it can only use a PCI-e 1x slot (the short one) or what PCI-e
slot type it can use. The PCI-e 1x slot only has 1 lane. If you're
using only one of the card's ports then the 1 lane is okay. If you
attach another USB device to the card, effective bandwidth goes down
since the 2 devices on 1 lane will contend with other. After looking at
the product page and the photo there, the connector on this card is just
PCI-e 1x. Guess you're supposed to know from the pic of the card to see
you are limited to 1 lane connector (as I recall, you can plug a 1x card
into the larger/longer PCI-e slots but you're wasting their lanes).

Know what mobo is in the computer? Does it have a PCI-e 1x slot? And
is that slot unfettered? That is, is that slot currently available? I
have a fat video card that occupies 2 PCI-e slots. This blocks the only
PCI-e 1x slot on my mobo (some Acer model in a pre-built that I salvaged
from a friend that didn't want to fix it as an excuse to get a better
gaming computer). Even if I managed to slide a card into the PCI-e 1x
slot, the back cage slot for it is already used up by the fat video
card. If the customer has no need for decent 3D graphics (they don't
play video games or using drawing programs, like Photoshop or AutoCAD),
and just use the onboard video controller (if the Intel CPU has it) the
the PCI-e 1x slot should be free and usabled (not free but unusable as
my setup).
  #25  
Old June 2nd 18, 10:13 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Patrick[_9_]
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

On 01/06/2018 18:39, T wrote:
Hi All,

Stay away from the Star Tech PEXUSB311AC2

Â*Â*Â* StarTech.com Dual Port USB 3.1 Card – 1x USB-C – 1x
Â*Â*Â* USB-A – 10Gbps per port – Expansion Card – USB 3.1 PCI-E
Â*Â*Â* Card – USB 3 PCI

It crashes your file system on large file transfers and crashes your
boot if anything is plugged into it when you boot.

Anyone have a favorite PCIe USB 3.1 card that actually
works right?Â* Siig?


Many thanks,
-T


On W7, I have the likes of this;
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB3-0-2-...EAAOSwo4pYfykP

It came with a min-disk that had several drivers (Setup.exe type) on,
(turns out to have a VIA chip).
The blue socket is for a twin front panel USB3 socket.
I had a little difficulty with the bracket that didn't quite stretch to
the case (had to bend it a little).

There is also a similar version of the same with all 4 USB3 sockets at
the back;
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PCI-E-USB...AOSwBSxbDCn j

  #26  
Old June 3rd 18, 12:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 02:49:39 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

USB2 is [theoretically] 480 Mbps. Does the customer's computer have a
NIC that can support 1 Gbps? If so, how about a NAS drive? Obviously
the customer cannot swamp their network with traffic due to the
collision detection and conflict handling of the Ethernet protocol. If
he downloads huge files from the Internet or passed them between his
intranet hosts, issues huge print jobs, or otherwises dumps on his
network then the NAS drive will get slower because its portion of the
remaining bandwidth gets smaller.


If there's a concern about bandwidth exhaustion, as described above, I'd
just install a second 1gig NIC. Even good ones are cheap these days.
Connect the new NIC directly to the NAS, effectively removing backup
traffic from the primary LAN. Any Ethernet cable is fine, no crossover
needed. If multiple computers need to be backed up using the 'backup
LAN', add a 2nd NIC to each of them and stick a Gig switch in the middle
to make the physical connections. Problem solved. Not explicitly stated,
but hopefully obvious, configure the 2nd NICs and the NAS to use a
subnet different from the primary LAN. No default gateway needed.

USB2 is 0.48 Gbps. NAS would be 1 Gbps. USB3 would be 5 Gbps. eSATA
would be 6 Gbps.


USB3.1 Type C has 10gig versions. I haven't seen a NAS that supports
that yet, but I haven't checked. They could be out there, at a price.

--

Char Jackson
  #27  
Old June 3rd 18, 01:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 02:49:39 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

USB2 is [theoretically] 480 Mbps. Does the customer's computer have a
NIC that can support 1 Gbps? If so, how about a NAS drive? Obviously
the customer cannot swamp their network with traffic due to the
collision detection and conflict handling of the Ethernet protocol. If
he downloads huge files from the Internet or passed them between his
intranet hosts, issues huge print jobs, or otherwises dumps on his
network then the NAS drive will get slower because its portion of the
remaining bandwidth gets smaller.


If there's a concern about bandwidth exhaustion, as described above, I'd
just install a second 1gig NIC. Even good ones are cheap these days.
Connect the new NIC directly to the NAS, effectively removing backup
traffic from the primary LAN. Any Ethernet cable is fine, no crossover
needed. If multiple computers need to be backed up using the 'backup
LAN', add a 2nd NIC to each of them and stick a Gig switch in the middle
to make the physical connections. Problem solved. Not explicitly stated,
but hopefully obvious, configure the 2nd NICs and the NAS to use a
subnet different from the primary LAN. No default gateway needed.

USB2 is 0.48 Gbps. NAS would be 1 Gbps. USB3 would be 5 Gbps. eSATA
would be 6 Gbps.


USB3.1 Type C has 10gig versions. I haven't seen a NAS that supports
that yet, but I haven't checked. They could be out there, at a price.


There's Thunderbolt II at 20Gbit/sec. (Usual nonsense at the bottom
of the page, about some motherboard dependency. Intel is the
king of bundleware.)

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboa...nderboltEX_II/

There's also Thunderbolt III at 40gbit/sec. (This one uses a special
cable that looks like a USB2 or something. The cable doesn't look
especially high tech.) The I/O cable from one of these, can only
be a yard long or so. The previous one supports a longer cable.

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboa...underboltEX-3/

Apparently, the higher the datarate, the more a "sacrifice of your
first born" is required to get it to work. And a comment I could
find from a mere user who tested both, is the EX_II one "works",
while the EX-3 one can "get into boot loops". There's a very specific
order for driver installation (driver is installed before you
fit the card). You can smell the "fresh baked tech from the lab"
on these things. Or is that "half-baked".

The Apple ecosystem should have some NAS entries with that
connector on it.

At this point, bog-standard USB3.0 at ~400MB/sec is looking
pretty good.

I checked my local computer store online, and their stock of
USB3.1 cards is zero. Must be a very popular seller. Or,
my last computer store is about to go out of business or
something. I don't understand how you can pretend to be
a "bricks and mortar", without any mortar. Won't the bricks
fall over if nothing holds them up ?

If they go under, I'll be left with "Best Buy" :-\ Yikes.

Paul
  #28  
Old June 3rd 18, 03:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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Default Anyone have a good PCIe USB 3.1 card they like?

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 20:44:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 02:49:39 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

USB2 is [theoretically] 480 Mbps. Does the customer's computer have a
NIC that can support 1 Gbps? If so, how about a NAS drive? Obviously
the customer cannot swamp their network with traffic due to the
collision detection and conflict handling of the Ethernet protocol. If
he downloads huge files from the Internet or passed them between his
intranet hosts, issues huge print jobs, or otherwises dumps on his
network then the NAS drive will get slower because its portion of the
remaining bandwidth gets smaller.


If there's a concern about bandwidth exhaustion, as described above, I'd
just install a second 1gig NIC. Even good ones are cheap these days.
Connect the new NIC directly to the NAS, effectively removing backup
traffic from the primary LAN. Any Ethernet cable is fine, no crossover
needed. If multiple computers need to be backed up using the 'backup
LAN', add a 2nd NIC to each of them and stick a Gig switch in the middle
to make the physical connections. Problem solved. Not explicitly stated,
but hopefully obvious, configure the 2nd NICs and the NAS to use a
subnet different from the primary LAN. No default gateway needed.

USB2 is 0.48 Gbps. NAS would be 1 Gbps. USB3 would be 5 Gbps. eSATA
would be 6 Gbps.


USB3.1 Type C has 10gig versions. I haven't seen a NAS that supports
that yet, but I haven't checked. They could be out there, at a price.


There's Thunderbolt II at 20Gbit/sec. (Usual nonsense at the bottom
of the page, about some motherboard dependency. Intel is the
king of bundleware.)

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboa...nderboltEX_II/

There's also Thunderbolt III at 40gbit/sec. (This one uses a special
cable that looks like a USB2 or something. The cable doesn't look
especially high tech.) The I/O cable from one of these, can only
be a yard long or so. The previous one supports a longer cable.

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboa...underboltEX-3/

Apparently, the higher the datarate, the more a "sacrifice of your
first born" is required to get it to work. And a comment I could
find from a mere user who tested both, is the EX_II one "works",
while the EX-3 one can "get into boot loops". There's a very specific
order for driver installation (driver is installed before you
fit the card). You can smell the "fresh baked tech from the lab"
on these things. Or is that "half-baked".

The Apple ecosystem should have some NAS entries with that
connector on it.

At this point, bog-standard USB3.0 at ~400MB/sec is looking
pretty good.

I checked my local computer store online, and their stock of
USB3.1 cards is zero. Must be a very popular seller. Or,
my last computer store is about to go out of business or
something. I don't understand how you can pretend to be
a "bricks and mortar", without any mortar. Won't the bricks
fall over if nothing holds them up ?

If they go under, I'll be left with "Best Buy" :-\ Yikes.


The last bricks-and-mortar computer store that I visited was a
MicroCenter in about 2003/2004. After that, I did about 10 years
exclusively with Newegg, and since then I'm 90/10 with Amazon and
Newegg. We have Best Buy stores around here, the nearest about 10-15
minutes away, but I haven't been in there.

Amazon seems to know what they're doing. With Prime, I'd always select
2-day free shipping, and shipments would take the full two days because
they'd come from Memphis, Indianapolis, or Phoenix, in decreasing order.
Then Amazon built a warehouse about 4-5 miles from my house, as the crow
flies. So now 2-day free shipping usually arrives the next day, or if I
order before about 10AM most shipments arrive the same day. They even
deliver on Saturdays and Sundays. Returns are the easiest of any vendor,
as well. A couple of mouse clicks, print the return label, and put the
package outside for UPS to pick up.

Speaking of fast delivery, Amazon has their new 1-hour delivery option
available in my area, but I've never used it. They deliver to a special
locker at UPS stores and give you the combo so you can walk in, dial the
combo, grab your stuff, and leave. I have two of those delivery
locations within 15 minutes of the house. I suppose drone delivery will
be the next step. It's hard for B&M to compete, except as a product
showroom.

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Char Jackson
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Old June 3rd 18, 10:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Char Jackson wrote:

The last bricks-and-mortar computer store that I visited was a
MicroCenter in about 2003/2004. After that, I did about 10 years
exclusively with Newegg, and since then I'm 90/10 with Amazon and
Newegg. We have Best Buy stores around here, the nearest about 10-15
minutes away, but I haven't been in there.


A big advantage of bricks-and-mortar stores is that you can actually see
and feel the products, like mice, keyboards, and monitors, to know what
they are really like. Specifications cannot not relay to your senses
just what the product is really like. I remember believing the specs on
a mousepad that was supposed to be super accurate but found it had much
higher friction which made moving the mouse around more difficult.
Specs won't tell you how well a mouse fits in the pit of your palm, or
the stiffness of keys on a keyboard. I/O devices are something personal
so seeing or feeling them can made a difference in your decision of
which to buy.

Alas, the bricks-and-mortar stores have a more limited inventory that
they keep in stock inside their stores. Sometimes even from them you
have to order from their online store. For example, no Home Depot
stores carry the Frigidaire window air conditioners but you can order
them from their online store (and for cheaper than Walmart on the model
that I wanted).

Amazon seems to know what they're doing. With Prime, ...


Prime requires a paid subscription: $13/month or $199/year. Uffdah!

https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Prime-.../dp/B00DBYBNEE

Yes, Prime includes unlimited music streaming. Worthless to me as I
don't often listen to music. Don't need their unlimited online photo
storage, either. Google Drive and OneDrive as well as other sites are
free to store any filetype. I'm not sure how "free same-day delivery"
could be guaranteed except for those locations where they operation a
distribution warehouse and delivery is local to that warehouse.
Besides, I rarely need a product RIGHT NOW and if I did then I'd pay the
high-priced overnight delivery on a one-time basis instead of getting
suckered into a recurring monthly or yearly subscription.

I don't need to pay extra to get items from Newegg that list "free
shipping". I've found Amazon has far less sellers offering free
shipping. Sometimes I find Newegg doesn't carry something that Amazon
does so I'm forced to use Amazon - unless I can find it on eBay and with
free shipping from a reputable seller along with eBay's buyer protection
(which I have used a few times). I've found lots more eBay sellers
offering free shipping (just make sure they list a distribution location
in your country or one that doesn't have slow customs, like ordering
stuff from China to ship to the USA which results in a 45-day lag) than
at Amazon.

With eBay you expect sellers to be far flung in location. Users often
believe they are buying from Amazon or Newegg because that's where they
visit the "store". Both Amazon and Newegg (and other sites, like
Walmart) offer "storefronts" to 3rd party sellers. You have to be
careful from WHERE you buy if you want decent returns processing. At
Newegg, I elect the option to look at items only sold by Newegg. At
Walmart, I select them as the seller (unless they don't carry the item).
At Amazon, there is no filter or option to see items sold only by Amazon
(does Amazon actually sell anything themself?). At eBay, I select only
those sellers in my own country or from where I know shipping time is
short (no customs delay). At Amazon, no such filtering options: only
from Amazon, only in my country, only whatever. About all the
filtering you get at Amazon is new or used. I have an account at Amazon
and have ordered from there but only when the product cannot be obtained
from elsewhere for cheaper. Shipping cost usually precludes buying from
Amazon, especially for the small items.

One of the reasons that I order, say, keyboards through Walmart is I can
return it to any of their stores if I don't like it. I've had to go
through about 6 orders through Walmart to finally get a keyboard to my
liking. With Newegg or Amazon, the returned item has to get shipped
back. Didn't have to waste that time when I could go into a real store
and see and feel the products. I knew what I was getting instead of
relying on photos, specifications, and user reviews.

As for Best Buy, I end up using their online store a lot because they do
not carry all the same items in their physical stores. I can, however,
return back to the store, just as with Walmart and Home Depot, to get an
immediate refund. I like Newegg and have used Amazon (but definitely
won't be paying for their pricey Prime service) but I have to ship back
for a return.
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Old June 4th 18, 06:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 06/02/2018 12:49 AM, VanguardLH wrote:

Does the mobo support eSATA


one port

problem with eSata. Windows does not have the cool tools for mount,
unmount, and eject as does Linux. So, the customer has to plug
it in and leave it. eSata ain't portable under Windows. Sure
there are utilities for that, but they suck.

Does the external drive's enclosure have both USB2/3 and eSATA
ports? If it has eSATA, go with that.


I can get one from the g-tech legacy store

USB2 is [theoretically] 480 Mbps.


I my experience, USB2 is so slow the customer will back up
once and never do it again.

Does the customer's computer have a
NIC that can support 1 Gbps?


100 Base-T only

If so, how about a NAS drive?


Good in theory. Haven't found a NAS I have thought wasn't
cheap s***. You have a good one?


Have you tried the Intel drivers (if the mobo has an Intel chipset) in
Windows 7 to see if you can get the Asmedia card to work properly?


Asmedia is not an Intel product, so I am probably wrong
about using the Intel drivers.

I was a ticket in with Siig over the matter
 




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