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  #91  
Old February 4th 07, 02:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
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Default Boycott Vista in the UK!

And yet in Sept 98, the rate on software from outside of the EU was 25%..
Windows is US origin..


"John John" wrote in message
...
The European Union and its member countries are signatories to the WTO
Information Technology Agreement (ITA) concluded in December 1996, tariff
on software is 0%.

John

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
John

Read my second post re import duty..


"John John" wrote in message
...

Whichever way you calculate it Mike, it comes to about the same numbers
that I gave earlier and that Shenan gave us, 315 Pounds + 17.5 VAT =
370.13 Pounds, what amazon.uk sells it for. My understanding is that
advertized prices in the UK must include the VAT, so the Amazon price
follows the prices you gave.

Without the taxes using the numbers you gave, £315.00 = US$619.41, a
spread of US$240.41. To me, in these days of globalization and free
trade that price difference seems out of whack and difficult to justify.

John

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:

John

Brit price with no tax is UKBP315 against US$379..

Tax rates in the US range between 4 and 9%, I believe, and into double
figures in Ontario and Quebec in Canada, 14 and 16% respectively

Profit margins are smaller in North America generally, and none of us
have any idea how much is paid by the retailers on either continent..
the fact that the Brit price is so high in the UK does not necessarily
reflect the price paid from the manufacturer..

The UK, along with one or two other member countries, have failed to
adopt the Euro as regular currency, and as such is prone to varying
exchange rates in a way that other member countries may not be..

While I accept that the price difference is large, it is not right to
quote a price without tax against a price with tax, especially where
the tax rate is so high as in the UK..

Something else that is not taken into account is UK import duty for
goods manufactured from outside of the EU.. that can range from between
5 and 85%..

Then there are shipping, handling and insurance costs..

I fail to see why MS are being blamed for all of this..

"John John" wrote in message
...

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:


I really can't believe what the problem is with MS and pricing.. why
do people expect to get the top Vista for nothing?



No one said that they wanted it for nothing. The starting information
for this thread was that Vista Ultimate would be priced at about
US$378.99 in the United states and at £369.99 in the UK. (Amazon
numbers supplied by Shenan)

US378.99 = 192.52 U.K. pounds

Add the 17.5% VAT that another poster mentioned (£33.69)and the final
straight converted advertised price would be £226.21 VAT included.
The spread of £143.78 ($283.03 US dollars) cannot be simply explained
with shipping costs or that the the UK economy is that much more
inefficient than the US or that the UK market is that uncompetitive.

It isn't mere spin or simple BS from Microsoft... it's more to the PhD
level... BS that is just Piled Higher and Deeper!

John





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  #92  
Old February 4th 07, 01:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Gerry Cornell
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Default Boycott Vista in the UK!

Mike

This link confirms what John said about zero import duty:
http://www.hmce.gov.uk/channelsPorta...CE_PROD_009989

What is not clear is why retailers in the US and Canada will ship
goods to Europe, save for certain classes of goods. Instance this
example:
Amazon.ca can ship items from our Software and Computer & Video Games
Stores only to destinations within Canada.

The situation invites the question as to what regulations, if any,
prevent a UK resident ordering and paying for a copy of Vista Ultimate
Edition to be shipped to Mike Hall (akas friend). Friend removes the
CD from the bulky box and posts it to UK.

--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
And yet in Sept 98, the rate on software from outside of the EU
was 25%.. Windows is US origin..


"John John" wrote in message
...
The European Union and its member countries are signatories to
the WTO Information Technology Agreement (ITA) concluded in
December 1996, tariff on software is 0%.

John

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
John

Read my second post re import duty..


"John John" wrote in message
...

Whichever way you calculate it Mike, it comes to about the
same numbers that I gave earlier and that Shenan gave us, 315
Pounds + 17.5 VAT = 370.13 Pounds, what amazon.uk sells it
for. My understanding is that advertized prices in the UK
must include the VAT, so the Amazon price follows the prices
you gave. Without the taxes using the numbers you gave, £315.00 =
US$619.41, a spread of US$240.41. To me, in these days of
globalization and free trade that price difference seems out
of whack and difficult to justify. John

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:

John

Brit price with no tax is UKBP315 against US$379..

Tax rates in the US range between 4 and 9%, I believe, and
into double figures in Ontario and Quebec in Canada, 14 and
16% respectively Profit margins are smaller in North America
generally, and
none of us have any idea how much is paid by the retailers on
either continent.. the fact that the Brit price is so high in
the UK does not necessarily reflect the price paid from the
manufacturer.. The UK, along with one or two other member
countries, have
failed to adopt the Euro as regular currency, and as such is
prone to varying exchange rates in a way that other member
countries may not be.. While I accept that the price difference
is large, it is not
right to quote a price without tax against a price with tax,
especially where the tax rate is so high as in the UK..

Something else that is not taken into account is UK import
duty for goods manufactured from outside of the EU.. that can
range from between 5 and 85%..

Then there are shipping, handling and insurance costs..

I fail to see why MS are being blamed for all of this..

"John John" wrote in message
...

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:


I really can't believe what the problem is with MS and
pricing.. why do people expect to get the top Vista for
nothing?



No one said that they wanted it for nothing. The starting
information for this thread was that Vista Ultimate would be
priced at about US$378.99 in the United states and at
£369.99 in the UK. (Amazon numbers supplied by Shenan)

US378.99 = 192.52 U.K. pounds

Add the 17.5% VAT that another poster mentioned (£33.69)and
the final straight converted advertised price would be
£226.21 VAT included. The spread of £143.78 ($283.03 US
dollars) cannot be simply explained with shipping costs or
that the the UK economy is that much more inefficient than
the US or that the UK market is that uncompetitive. It isn't
mere spin or simple BS from Microsoft... it's more
to the PhD level... BS that is just Piled Higher and Deeper!

John


  #93  
Old February 4th 07, 06:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
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Default Boycott Vista in the UK!

Gerry

I have no idea, and here in Canada, if you ask three different people about
anything at all, you get three different answers. Many retailers in the US
will not ship to Canada, and again I have no idea what restrictions are in
place other than maybe no desire to get involved in export.

Amazon have a UK subsidiary, and I have no doubt that they will want to
'milk' as much from the UK people as they can. It seems to me that the
retailers are the price fixers, not the manufacturers.

"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
...
Mike

This link confirms what John said about zero import duty:
http://www.hmce.gov.uk/channelsPorta...CE_PROD_009989

What is not clear is why retailers in the US and Canada will ship goods to
Europe, save for certain classes of goods. Instance this example:
Amazon.ca can ship items from our Software and Computer & Video Games
Stores only to destinations within Canada.

The situation invites the question as to what regulations, if any, prevent
a UK resident ordering and paying for a copy of Vista Ultimate Edition to
be shipped to Mike Hall (akas friend). Friend removes the CD from the
bulky box and posts it to UK.

--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
And yet in Sept 98, the rate on software from outside of the EU
was 25%.. Windows is US origin..


"John John" wrote in message
...
The European Union and its member countries are signatories to
the WTO Information Technology Agreement (ITA) concluded in
December 1996, tariff on software is 0%.

John

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
John

Read my second post re import duty..


"John John" wrote in message
...

Whichever way you calculate it Mike, it comes to about the
same numbers that I gave earlier and that Shenan gave us, 315
Pounds + 17.5 VAT = 370.13 Pounds, what amazon.uk sells it
for. My understanding is that advertized prices in the UK
must include the VAT, so the Amazon price follows the prices
you gave. Without the taxes using the numbers you gave, £315.00 =
US$619.41, a spread of US$240.41. To me, in these days of
globalization and free trade that price difference seems out
of whack and difficult to justify. John

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:

John

Brit price with no tax is UKBP315 against US$379..

Tax rates in the US range between 4 and 9%, I believe, and
into double figures in Ontario and Quebec in Canada, 14 and
16% respectively Profit margins are smaller in North America
generally, and
none of us have any idea how much is paid by the retailers on
either continent.. the fact that the Brit price is so high in
the UK does not necessarily reflect the price paid from the
manufacturer.. The UK, along with one or two other member countries,
have
failed to adopt the Euro as regular currency, and as such is
prone to varying exchange rates in a way that other member
countries may not be.. While I accept that the price difference is
large, it is not
right to quote a price without tax against a price with tax,
especially where the tax rate is so high as in the UK..

Something else that is not taken into account is UK import
duty for goods manufactured from outside of the EU.. that can
range from between 5 and 85%..

Then there are shipping, handling and insurance costs..

I fail to see why MS are being blamed for all of this..

"John John" wrote in message
...

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:


I really can't believe what the problem is with MS and
pricing.. why do people expect to get the top Vista for
nothing?



No one said that they wanted it for nothing. The starting
information for this thread was that Vista Ultimate would be
priced at about US$378.99 in the United states and at
£369.99 in the UK. (Amazon numbers supplied by Shenan)

US378.99 = 192.52 U.K. pounds

Add the 17.5% VAT that another poster mentioned (£33.69)and
the final straight converted advertised price would be
£226.21 VAT included. The spread of £143.78 ($283.03 US
dollars) cannot be simply explained with shipping costs or
that the the UK economy is that much more inefficient than
the US or that the UK market is that uncompetitive. It isn't mere
spin or simple BS from Microsoft... it's more
to the PhD level... BS that is just Piled Higher and Deeper!

John



  #94  
Old February 4th 07, 07:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Gerry Cornell
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Posts: 2,169
Default Boycott Vista in the UK!

Pete

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_...-keywords=ipod

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Pete Stavrakoglou wrote:
"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
...

EU Regulations do not allow a manufacturer to fix retail prices


Not to hijack this but you've brought up something here. IPods
retail for just about the same price everywhere in the USA. It
appears that Apple is controlling the price and Microsoft had
followed suit with their Zune. How are IPods priced in the EU?


  #95  
Old February 5th 07, 04:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Pete Stavrakoglou
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Default Boycott Vista in the UK!

Thanks for the link (duh, I should have thought to check Amaon UK myself).
The prices seem very close from one vendor to another. In the USA, it
certainly seems as if there are some price restrictions imposed by Apple in
order to control pricing. I paid $ 349.99 US for an 80 GB IPod Video while
it costs £ 375.00 in the UK. Pretty close.

"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
...
Pete

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_...-keywords=ipod

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Pete Stavrakoglou wrote:
"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
...

EU Regulations do not allow a manufacturer to fix retail prices


Not to hijack this but you've brought up something here. IPods
retail for just about the same price everywhere in the USA. It
appears that Apple is controlling the price and Microsoft had
followed suit with their Zune. How are IPods priced in the EU?




  #96  
Old February 5th 07, 05:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Gordon
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Posts: 2,871
Default Boycott Vista in the UK!

Pete Stavrakoglou wrote:

I paid $ 349.99 US for an 80 GB IPod Video while
it costs £ 375.00 in the UK. Pretty close.


Not when the exchange rate is almost £1 = US$2.....
  #97  
Old February 5th 07, 05:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Poprivet
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Default Boycott the trolls that perpetuate this and feed the trolls Boycott Vista in the UK!



  #98  
Old February 5th 07, 06:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Pete Stavrakoglou
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Default Boycott Vista in the UK!

"Gordon" wrote in message
...
Pete Stavrakoglou wrote:

I paid $ 349.99 US for an 80 GB IPod Video while it costs £ 375.00 in the
UK. Pretty close.


Not when the exchange rate is almost £1 = US$2.....


Sorry, my bad. The 375.00 I quoted in pounds should have read in US
dollars. $ 349.99 in US dollars in the USA and the equivalent to $ 375.00
US dollars in the UK. That's close.


 




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