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"Laughingstar~*" wrote in message ... Exactly the reason I program my "Downloads" to be approved by this PC owner--Moi! In a public discussion this week, more than 1/3 of those present said they've bought IMacs b/c MS keeps coming out with new OS, et al, and requiring its consumers to be their R&D. I agree. Its getting to be exhausting. Wake up MS. I think those mac purchasers will be disappointed if they went there because of Microsoft releasing updates every month. The current version of Apple's "Tiger" release of OSX is 10.4.10. 10.4.11 is currently out for testing prior to general release. That's 10 or 11 major revisions, broadly equal to a service pack, since the release of 10.4.0. Apple run to at least one patch a month, often more. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Apple here... I'm a Mac user myself as well as a Windows user and I actually prefer Apple's OS to Microsoft's one, but neither company gets it 100% right first time and has no need to issue updates. Neither do the Linux crowd. |
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.. . One of the bad features of autoupdate is that it only provides you with security updates. Never gives you an update for a driver for example. I do my updates manually and on at least two occasions stopped a download that should NOT have been presented. I would never let MS update automatically update any driver for hardware. Get the updates from the manufacturer of the equipment. |
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I never automatically update anything. But when I do a manual update I
carefully read what it applies to and then do it. Never had a problem. NVIDIA video driver is a classic example. I will say, there are some I refuse to download and install. "Bogey Man" wrote in message ... "Unknown" wrote in message .. . One of the bad features of autoupdate is that it only provides you with security updates. Never gives you an update for a driver for example. I do my updates manually and on at least two occasions stopped a download that should NOT have been presented. I would never let MS update automatically update any driver for hardware. Get the updates from the manufacturer of the equipment. |
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Bogey Man added these comments in the current discussion du jour
.... "Unknown" wrote in message .. . One of the bad features of autoupdate is that it only provides you with security updates. Never gives you an update for a driver for example. I do my updates manually and on at least two occasions stopped a download that should NOT have been presented. I would never let MS update automatically update any driver for hardware. Get the updates from the manufacturer of the equipment. Again, I cannot overemphasize my stong agreement with your statement. Even far more than a MS or other SW general upgrade, IMO, the biggest single cause of major PC system blowdowns is an errant driver. And, while the manufacturers do release buggy drivers, they have the advantage of knowing more than anyone how their HW works as well as being able to maintain trade secrets that they will not release to MS. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
.... I never automatically update anything. But when I do a manual update I carefully read what it applies to and then do it. Never had a problem. NVIDIA video driver is a classic example. I will say, there are some I refuse to download and install. Me, too, Unknown. I am just ready to restart after installing the 2nd half of the August 14 updates. I lurk and wait, saw a couple of problems reported but no one else moaned, so I decided it was safe. And, yes, I DID set my own RP. "Bogey Man" wrote in message ... "Unknown" wrote in message .. . One of the bad features of autoupdate is that it only provides you with security updates. Never gives you an update for a driver for example. I do my updates manually and on at least two occasions stopped a download that should NOT have been presented. I would never let MS update automatically update any driver for hardware. Get the updates from the manufacturer of the equipment. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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!6 updates! I haven't had a single problem as yet.
"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... I never automatically update anything. But when I do a manual update I carefully read what it applies to and then do it. Never had a problem. NVIDIA video driver is a classic example. I will say, there are some I refuse to download and install. Me, too, Unknown. I am just ready to restart after installing the 2nd half of the August 14 updates. I lurk and wait, saw a couple of problems reported but no one else moaned, so I decided it was safe. And, yes, I DID set my own RP. "Bogey Man" wrote in message ... "Unknown" wrote in message .. . One of the bad features of autoupdate is that it only provides you with security updates. Never gives you an update for a driver for example. I do my updates manually and on at least two occasions stopped a download that should NOT have been presented. I would never let MS update automatically update any driver for hardware. Get the updates from the manufacturer of the equipment. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
.... !6 updates! I haven't had a single problem as yet. 6 updates of what, Unknown? Windows versions, SPs, what? I don't know my number but it doesn't really matter as I am conservative enough that I make damn well sure whatever it is has been thoroughly tested by end-users, where NGs like this one are so valuable in lurk mode. That said, the basic Murphy's Law says that just because you've had 6 or 600 successes doesn't mean that the next one isn't some heinous disaster. Therefore, I do not give Murphy an even break ever and I don't trust to the probabilities, either. Incidently, math gurus will tell you that you cannot prove either a possitive or negative hypothsis by citing examples because all it takes is ONE except to either prove or disprove the thesis. For people who're running flush with the belief that they are invulnerable are the ones most often the most P.O.'d when the thing dies. It is said that the time most people decide to backup their data is the day AFTER their HD crashes. A little late. So, we both do what we think is best for us, right? Have a great evening! "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... I never automatically update anything. But when I do a manual update I carefully read what it applies to and then do it. Never had a problem. NVIDIA video driver is a classic example. I will say, there are some I refuse to download and install. Me, too, Unknown. I am just ready to restart after installing the 2nd half of the August 14 updates. I lurk and wait, saw a couple of problems reported but no one else moaned, so I decided it was safe. And, yes, I DID set my own RP. "Bogey Man" wrote in message ... "Unknown" wrote in message .. . One of the bad features of autoupdate is that it only provides you with security updates. Never gives you an update for a driver for example. I do my updates manually and on at least two occasions stopped a download that should NOT have been presented. I would never let MS update automatically update any driver for hardware. Get the updates from the manufacturer of the equipment. -- HP, aka Jerry -- HP, aka Jerry |
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As I said, I do manual updates. After I clicked on Windows Update and
selected 'custom' there were 16 security updates available to download and install. "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... !6 updates! I haven't had a single problem as yet. 6 updates of what, Unknown? Windows versions, SPs, what? I don't know my number but it doesn't really matter as I am conservative enough that I make damn well sure whatever it is has been thoroughly tested by end-users, where NGs like this one are so valuable in lurk mode. That said, the basic Murphy's Law says that just because you've had 6 or 600 successes doesn't mean that the next one isn't some heinous disaster. Therefore, I do not give Murphy an even break ever and I don't trust to the probabilities, either. Incidently, math gurus will tell you that you cannot prove either a possitive or negative hypothsis by citing examples because all it takes is ONE except to either prove or disprove the thesis. For people who're running flush with the belief that they are invulnerable are the ones most often the most P.O.'d when the thing dies. It is said that the time most people decide to backup their data is the day AFTER their HD crashes. A little late. So, we both do what we think is best for us, right? Have a great evening! "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... I never automatically update anything. But when I do a manual update I carefully read what it applies to and then do it. Never had a problem. NVIDIA video driver is a classic example. I will say, there are some I refuse to download and install. Me, too, Unknown. I am just ready to restart after installing the 2nd half of the August 14 updates. I lurk and wait, saw a couple of problems reported but no one else moaned, so I decided it was safe. And, yes, I DID set my own RP. "Bogey Man" wrote in message ... "Unknown" wrote in message .. . One of the bad features of autoupdate is that it only provides you with security updates. Never gives you an update for a driver for example. I do my updates manually and on at least two occasions stopped a download that should NOT have been presented. I would never let MS update automatically update any driver for hardware. Get the updates from the manufacturer of the equipment. -- HP, aka Jerry -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour
.... As I said, I do manual updates. After I clicked on Windows Update and selected 'custom' there were 16 security updates OK, !16 meant 16, ! was a shifted 1. But, I still don't understand your comments. I successfully have installed all but a handful of MS critical updates. Those did not fail, I chose not to install them EVER because whilst lurking in these several NGs, I discovered other people complaining about problems I thought might affect me. So, I have been fortunate not to have had a catastrophic failure of any sort, but I feel it is more because of my dilligence in verifying what I am doing than in blind luck. Have a great day! available to download and install. "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... !6 updates! I haven't had a single problem as yet. 6 updates of what, Unknown? Windows versions, SPs, what? I don't know my number but it doesn't really matter as I am conservative enough that I make damn well sure whatever it is has been thoroughly tested by end-users, where NGs like this one are so valuable in lurk mode. That said, the basic Murphy's Law says that just because you've had 6 or 600 successes doesn't mean that the next one isn't some heinous disaster. Therefore, I do not give Murphy an even break ever and I don't trust to the probabilities, either. Incidently, math gurus will tell you that you cannot prove either a possitive or negative hypothsis by citing examples because all it takes is ONE except to either prove or disprove the thesis. For people who're running flush with the belief that they are invulnerable are the ones most often the most P.O.'d when the thing dies. It is said that the time most people decide to backup their data is the day AFTER their HD crashes. A little late. So, we both do what we think is best for us, right? Have a great evening! "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... I never automatically update anything. But when I do a manual update I carefully read what it applies to and then do it. Never had a problem. NVIDIA video driver is a classic example. I will say, there are some I refuse to download and install. Me, too, Unknown. I am just ready to restart after installing the 2nd half of the August 14 updates. I lurk and wait, saw a couple of problems reported but no one else moaned, so I decided it was safe. And, yes, I DID set my own RP. "Bogey Man" wrote in message ... "Unknown" wrote in message .. . One of the bad features of autoupdate is that it only provides you with security updates. Never gives you an update for a driver for example. I do my updates manually and on at least two occasions stopped a download that should NOT have been presented. I would never let MS update automatically update any driver for hardware. Get the updates from the manufacturer of the equipment. -- HP, aka Jerry -- HP, aka Jerry -- HP, aka Jerry |
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If you need to continues these off topic dialogues for ever and a day
how about snipping! Also do these posts need to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public .windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help _and_support. Surely one group is sufficient. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HEMI-Powered wrote: Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... As I said, I do manual updates. After I clicked on Windows Update and selected 'custom' there were 16 security updates OK, !16 meant 16, ! was a shifted 1. But, I still don't understand your comments. I successfully have installed all but a handful of MS critical updates. Those did not fail, I chose not to install them EVER because whilst lurking in these several NGs, I discovered other people complaining about problems I thought might affect me. So, I have been fortunate not to have had a catastrophic failure of any sort, but I feel it is more because of my dilligence in verifying what I am doing than in blind luck. Have a great day! |
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Gerry added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
If you need to continues these off topic dialogues for ever and a day how about snipping! Also do these posts need to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public .windowsxp.ge neral,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support. Surely one group is sufficient. Gerry, if you have been following my comments, then you know that I DO snip the useless prior quotes as well as interleave post so that people can connect what I'm replying to. I'm sorry if you think I'm doing it wrong, but I seldom top post (I did do a couple recently) and I seldom repeat all the previous testimony. Now, what specifically are you alleging I am posting that is OT? NOt all of what I've said, or what anyone says, is exactly on- topic for the actual subject of the OP's thread, but that is the way that threads evolve. There is no general MS NG for OT-style posts but if we roll with the punches a little when people drift, it makes life more pleasant, and any OT-ness can be quickly ascertained and you just stop reading. One more comment. It has been said before that sometimes people are so ignorant of a problem they can't even ask an intelligent question. So, if I chime into a thread with a personal observations and somebody gives me a heads up that I'm missing the boat, I take heed. I suspect your issue in this thread is that there has been a LOT of discussion from many people about the nature of the software biz, that may the source of your angst. Don't you ever recant stories from your youth in support of why you're experienced enough to do what you do today? And, please feel free to exercise your rights to ignore or plonk me if you think I am single-handed monopolizing so many of your fav NGs. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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What does this dialogue have to do with SP3?
Why does it require posting to three newsgroups? -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HEMI-Powered wrote: Gerry added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... If you need to continues these off topic dialogues for ever and a day how about snipping! Also do these posts need to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public .windowsxp.ge neral,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support. Surely one group is sufficient. Gerry, if you have been following my comments, then you know that I DO snip the useless prior quotes as well as interleave post so that people can connect what I'm replying to. I'm sorry if you think I'm doing it wrong, but I seldom top post (I did do a couple recently) and I seldom repeat all the previous testimony. Now, what specifically are you alleging I am posting that is OT? NOt all of what I've said, or what anyone says, is exactly on- topic for the actual subject of the OP's thread, but that is the way that threads evolve. There is no general MS NG for OT-style posts but if we roll with the punches a little when people drift, it makes life more pleasant, and any OT-ness can be quickly ascertained and you just stop reading. One more comment. It has been said before that sometimes people are so ignorant of a problem they can't even ask an intelligent question. So, if I chime into a thread with a personal observations and somebody gives me a heads up that I'm missing the boat, I take heed. I suspect your issue in this thread is that there has been a LOT of discussion from many people about the nature of the software biz, that may the source of your angst. Don't you ever recant stories from your youth in support of why you're experienced enough to do what you do today? And, please feel free to exercise your rights to ignore or plonk me if you think I am single-handed monopolizing so many of your fav NGs. |
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Why don't you post to ten more NGs?
- PLONK "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Gerry added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... If you need to continues these off topic dialogues for ever and a day how about snipping! Also do these posts need to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public .windowsxp.ge neral,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support. Surely one group is sufficient. Gerry, if you have been following my comments, then you know that I DO snip the useless prior quotes as well as interleave post so that people can connect what I'm replying to. I'm sorry if you think I'm doing it wrong, but I seldom top post (I did do a couple recently) and I seldom repeat all the previous testimony. Now, what specifically are you alleging I am posting that is OT? NOt all of what I've said, or what anyone says, is exactly on- topic for the actual subject of the OP's thread, but that is the way that threads evolve. There is no general MS NG for OT-style posts but if we roll with the punches a little when people drift, it makes life more pleasant, and any OT-ness can be quickly ascertained and you just stop reading. One more comment. It has been said before that sometimes people are so ignorant of a problem they can't even ask an intelligent question. So, if I chime into a thread with a personal observations and somebody gives me a heads up that I'm missing the boat, I take heed. I suspect your issue in this thread is that there has been a LOT of discussion from many people about the nature of the software biz, that may the source of your angst. Don't you ever recant stories from your youth in support of why you're experienced enough to do what you do today? And, please feel free to exercise your rights to ignore or plonk me if you think I am single-handed monopolizing so many of your fav NGs. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Gerry added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
What does this dialogue have to do with SP3? Why does it require posting to three newsgroups? I still do not understand where you're coming from, I don't understand why you don't just let it ride, and I don't understand what you are accusing me of? Being experienced, being foolish, defending MS, bashing MS, or what? And as for multiple NGs, people post similar things to all three, so what is so God Damn wrong with replying. Nobody has an Uzi to your head do they? Do everybody a favor, if you hate me that much, just PLONK! and you're relieved. Or, is the real reason you don't like what I've said about YOUR views? Either way, I am comfortable, I've not seen the usual flaming I get for being a contrarian, but what I HAVE seen is constructive comments, even praise - and that coming from people who don't even agree with me! Rant on, MacDuff. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Doug W. added these comments in the current discussion du jour
.... Why don't you post to ten more NGs? - PLONK "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Gerry added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... If you need to continues these off topic dialogues for ever and a day how about snipping! Also do these posts need to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public .windowsxp. ge neral,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support. Surely one group is sufficient. Gerry, if you have been following my comments, then you know that I DO snip the useless prior quotes as well as interleave post so that people can connect what I'm replying to. I'm sorry if you think I'm doing it wrong, but I seldom top post (I did do a couple recently) and I seldom repeat all the previous testimony. I'll assume you plonked me and not my namesake, but either way, who cares? BTW, anybody take notice on the very positive exchanges with Ken Blake hereabouts? No, probably not. I have seen threads in this and ALL the MS NGs as well as 24hoursupport go on for hundreds of posts and weeks at a time, yet nobody seems to care. What makes this one so different? And what, pray tell, is the "problem" with making rational judgments about MS and subject of this thread, SP3? -- HP, aka Jerry |
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