Windows 7 email client

"Bob Hatch" wrote in message
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Emrys Davies wrote:
I have Win98 SE, OE6 and WE6

My ten year old PC is on its way out and I must buy a new one soon. I
accept that I will have one with Windows 7 preinstalled and without it
having an email client. Having used Outlook Express for ten years I
will be very disappointed if I cannot continue with that as my wife and
I understand it and do not want much hassle.

Should OE not be possible, what is the best alternative so that we can
keep things simple and with a format which is close as possible to OE
i.e. sending and receiving emails and Usenet messages and storing same.

I have read about Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail in Google, but I am
in doubt as to their compatibility with Windows 7.

If you decide on an email client for me would you indicate whether it
can be downloaded or best installed at point of purchase. I have done
the necessary backups to an independent media.



This subject has been discussed here every few days since the NG started,
so there is a lot of valuable information already posted.

That said, you cannot continue with OE. It is not compatible with Win 7,
period.

As far as Windows Mail, it is not compatible with Win 7, but Windows Live
Mail was written to be compatible with Windows 7, and is as close to OE as
you will get. If you buy a computer today it will "probably" come with WLM
pre-installed. Outlook from Office 2007 is very close to OE, but does not
have NG reader built in.

I've used Outlook for mail for years, and like it. I used OE only for
NG's. Once I was aware that OE was gone, and while I was still using XP, I
experimented with several programs for NG use. I settled on Thunderbird
from Mozilla.

You have lots of choices and my advice would be to try some out while
you're still using the old OS. Win 98 SE? Holy crap. :-)

Thunderbird seems the leading contender for replacing OE for those of us who
want our emails kept on our own PC and not on someone else's server. It
works very like OE but I have one real annoyance with it and it concerns how
it deals with newslists (not emails).
In OE, I can click delete on NG headers or messages I do not want to see on
my OE NG window. I am aware that this does not delete those messages from
the server but it does delete them from my reading window and thus
unclutters my screen. This allows me to keep visible to me messages - both
read and unread - I want to keep there, some of which I may re-read later
and remove those I have no interest in. TB cannot do that. Wish it could.

Jeff

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"Trev" invalid wrote in message
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"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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I have Win98 SE, OE6 and WE6

My ten year old PC is on its way out and I must buy a new one soon. I
accept that I will have one with Windows 7 preinstalled and without it
having an email client. Having used Outlook Express for ten years I
will be very disappointed if I cannot continue with that as my wife and
I understand it and do not want much hassle.

Should OE not be possible, what is the best alternative so that we can
keep things simple and with a format which is close as possible to OE
i.e. sending and receiving emails and Usenet messages and storing same.

I have read about Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail in Google, but I am
in doubt as to their compatibility with Windows 7.

If you decide on an email client for me would you indicate whether it
can be downloaded or best installed at point of purchase. I have done
the necessary backups to an independent media.


Windows Live Mail Is more like OE but with some extras. Others are
Thunderbird or other Mozilla base Clients. I tried both and finished with
Live mail for my news reader as I use Outlook for Mail and Organising

I too am moving to Windows 7 and am in the same dilemma.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Windows Live Mail keeps you emails on
a Microsoft server instead of down on your own PC like outlook Express does.
Is that not so?

Not if you use POP.

That kind of worries me because I like my mail on my own PC
and deleted from the servers - as OE does.

Jeff



If you use POP and choose not to leave a copy on the server, your mail
will only be on your PC. If you use IMAP, it will be on the server and
not on your PC. It doesn't matter which email client you use so pay
attention when you set up your accounts.

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Alias

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"Trev" invalid wrote in message
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"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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I have Win98 SE, OE6 and WE6

My ten year old PC is on its way out and I must buy a new one soon. I
accept that I will have one with Windows 7 preinstalled and without it
having an email client. Having used Outlook Express for ten years I
will be very disappointed if I cannot continue with that as my wife
and
I understand it and do not want much hassle.

Should OE not be possible, what is the best alternative so that we can
keep things simple and with a format which is close as possible to OE
i.e. sending and receiving emails and Usenet messages and storing
same.

I have read about Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail in Google, but I
am
in doubt as to their compatibility with Windows 7.

If you decide on an email client for me would you indicate whether it
can be downloaded or best installed at point of purchase. I have done
the necessary backups to an independent media.



Windows Live Mail Is more like OE but with some extras. Others are
Thunderbird or other Mozilla base Clients. I tried both and finished
with Live mail for my news reader as I use Outlook for Mail and
Organising

I too am moving to Windows 7 and am in the same dilemma.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Windows Live Mail keeps you emails
on a Microsoft server instead of down on your own PC like outlook
Express does. Is that not so? That kind of worries me because I like my
mail on my own PC and deleted from the servers - as OE does.

Jeff


If you have a Pop3 account, it works just like OE. Everything is
downloaded and only kept on the server if you want it to, just like OE.
Perhaps you're thinking of a Hotmail account?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

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"Trev" invalid wrote in message
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"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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I have Win98 SE, OE6 and WE6

My ten year old PC is on its way out and I must buy a new one soon. I
accept that I will have one with Windows 7 preinstalled and without it
having an email client. Having used Outlook Express for ten years I
will be very disappointed if I cannot continue with that as my wife and
I understand it and do not want much hassle.

Should OE not be possible, what is the best alternative so that we can
keep things simple and with a format which is close as possible to OE
i.e. sending and receiving emails and Usenet messages and storing same.

I have read about Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail in Google, but I
am
in doubt as to their compatibility with Windows 7.

If you decide on an email client for me would you indicate whether it
can be downloaded or best installed at point of purchase. I have done
the necessary backups to an independent media.



Windows Live Mail Is more like OE but with some extras. Others are
Thunderbird or other Mozilla base Clients. I tried both and finished
with Live mail for my news reader as I use Outlook for Mail and
Organising

I too am moving to Windows 7 and am in the same dilemma.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Windows Live Mail keeps you emails
on a Microsoft server instead of down on your own PC like outlook Express
does. Is that not so? That kind of worries me because I like my mail on
my own PC and deleted from the servers - as OE does.

Jeff


If you have a Pop3 account, it works just like OE. Everything is
downloaded and only kept on the server if you want it to, just like OE.
Perhaps you're thinking of a Hotmail account?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

That is great information!

My incoming emails are POP3, my outgoing at SMTP. Does that make a
difference?

Thanks.

"Alias" wrote in message
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"Trev" invalid wrote in message
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"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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I have Win98 SE, OE6 and WE6

My ten year old PC is on its way out and I must buy a new one soon. I
accept that I will have one with Windows 7 preinstalled and without it
having an email client. Having used Outlook Express for ten years I
will be very disappointed if I cannot continue with that as my wife and
I understand it and do not want much hassle.

Should OE not be possible, what is the best alternative so that we can
keep things simple and with a format which is close as possible to OE
i.e. sending and receiving emails and Usenet messages and storing same.

I have read about Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail in Google, but I
am
in doubt as to their compatibility with Windows 7.

If you decide on an email client for me would you indicate whether it
can be downloaded or best installed at point of purchase. I have done
the necessary backups to an independent media.


Windows Live Mail Is more like OE but with some extras. Others are
Thunderbird or other Mozilla base Clients. I tried both and finished
with Live mail for my news reader as I use Outlook for Mail and
Organising

I too am moving to Windows 7 and am in the same dilemma.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Windows Live Mail keeps you emails
on a Microsoft server instead of down on your own PC like outlook Express
does. Is that not so?

Not if you use POP.

That kind of worries me because I like my mail on my own PC and deleted
from the servers - as OE does.

Jeff

If you use POP and choose not to leave a copy on the server, your mail
will only be on your PC. If you use IMAP, it will be on the server and not
on your PC. It doesn't matter which email client you use so pay attention
when you set up your accounts.

--
Alias

Thanks Alias. That is good to know.

Jeff

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"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"Trev" invalid wrote in message
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"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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I have Win98 SE, OE6 and WE6

My ten year old PC is on its way out and I must buy a new one soon.
I
accept that I will have one with Windows 7 preinstalled and without
it
having an email client. Having used Outlook Express for ten years I
will be very disappointed if I cannot continue with that as my wife
and
I understand it and do not want much hassle.

Should OE not be possible, what is the best alternative so that we
can
keep things simple and with a format which is close as possible to
OE
i.e. sending and receiving emails and Usenet messages and storing
same.

I have read about Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail in Google, but
I am
in doubt as to their compatibility with Windows 7.

If you decide on an email client for me would you indicate whether
it
can be downloaded or best installed at point of purchase. I have
done
the necessary backups to an independent media.



Windows Live Mail Is more like OE but with some extras. Others are
Thunderbird or other Mozilla base Clients. I tried both and finished
with Live mail for my news reader as I use Outlook for Mail and
Organising

I too am moving to Windows 7 and am in the same dilemma.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Windows Live Mail keeps you
emails on a Microsoft server instead of down on your own PC like
outlook Express does. Is that not so? That kind of worries me because
I like my mail on my own PC and deleted from the servers - as OE does.

Jeff


If you have a Pop3 account, it works just like OE. Everything is
downloaded and only kept on the server if you want it to, just like OE.
Perhaps you're thinking of a Hotmail account?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

That is great information!

My incoming emails are POP3, my outgoing at SMTP. Does that make a
difference?

Thanks.



No. That is still a Pop3 account. (Pop being the incoming side of it).
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

"R. C. White" wrote in message

WE is probably the most-basic and most-used of all the Windows tools

Except of course for My Computer. Which is used by most users as the
successor to File Manager. Because, I suppose, it isn't hidden away like
WE. I bet the blokes who wrote WE were furious when it was decided to
ensure it remained unused by the public and was relegated to IT pro use
only. I tried it but could not see the point, and anyway I use what the
staff use.

The person who saved files in their own directory (sorry, folder) was being
sensible. The worst aspect of Windows is the difficulty of finding files -
if the normal user saves them and does not remember the name it is gone
forever. I would love to take Bill Gates and show him the users having to
ask IT pros how to make attachments to emails.

On 02/01/2010 in message johnbee
wrote:

Except of course for My Computer. Which is used by most users as the
successor to File Manager. Because, I suppose, it isn't hidden away like
WE

I'll just add QED to that!

What do you think 'My Computer' is then?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his
life.
(Jeremy Thorpe, 1962)

"Thip" wrote in message
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"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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"Thip" wrote in message
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"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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"Thip" wrote in message
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I switched over to Windows Live Mail when OE quit working for my
Hotmail
account. It's a good alternative. I first used it on XP and it
intuitively
imported all my settings. When I moved to 7 Home I backed up all
my
settings, imported them to the new installation, and away I went.
Pretty
painless.

"Thip"

At the present time I can import my backed-up (Memory Stick) .dbx
files
via OE File Folder Import Messages ect. Are you saying that
I
could do the same with Windows Live Mail?


That I am. I have a slave drive in my machine that I use for backups
and My
Documents, etc., but same idea.

Thanks for that. Just a point: I know that Win7 has IE8 as a
component, but does the latter contain Windows Explorer where my present
.dbx files are stored?


No. Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer are two different animals. In
my version of 7 (Home), bringing up Windows Explorer actually brings up a
"library" containing links to Documents, Pictures, etc. Windows Live Mail
data is stored in C:\Users\{username}\AppData\ Local\Microsoft\Windows
Live Mail

You are correct that is where Windows Live Mail hides data... which can make
it difficult to find. A tip I was given with OE was to change the default
folder to one you can find easy...say a new folder on the desktop. You can
then include your new folder with all your .dbx files in your regular
backups!! You can find the default store folder under in
tools/options/advanced/maintenance in windows live mail

Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 02/01/2010 in message
johnbee wrote:

Except of course for My Computer. Which is used by most users as the
successor to File Manager. Because, I suppose, it isn't hidden away
like WE

I'll just add QED to that!

What do you think 'My Computer' is then?


My Computer was a pre Vista thing. Now it's MS' computer, not yours.
Take a look; they've removed "My" from everything.

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Alias

Alias wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 02/01/2010 in message
johnbee wrote:

Except of course for My Computer. Which is used by most users as the
successor to File Manager. Because, I suppose, it isn't hidden away
like WE

I'll just add QED to that!

What do you think 'My Computer' is then?


My Computer was a pre Vista thing. Now it's MS' computer, not yours.
Take a look; they've removed "My" from everything.

GD! Are you really as stupid as you sound? Oh I forgot...you don't have
nor have you ever used Vista or Windows 7.
Guess what troll...you can name the Documents folder anything you want!
OOPS!

Thunderbird seems the leading contender for replacing OE for those of us
who want our emails kept on our own PC and not on someone else's server.

Why? WLM keeps your emails on your PC just like any other POP email
program.

Tom Lake

"Bob" wrote in message
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message
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I transferred all my saved messages and mail folders into Live Mail
on my
new Win7 PC with no problems at all, and the basic layout can be
configured to match the Outlook Express layout I was used to, so the
handover was really pretty painless.

I don't like the way that mail and newsgroup messages have to be
accessed
separately, and I don't understand why the simple command
Send/Receive
Messages has been changed to the incomprehensible and uninformative
"Sync", but I've got used to both these changes.

One major fault with the program for me is that it's extremely
difficult
to distinguish between new messages and ones that have been read:
the
diffeence in the way their headings are displayed is extremely
minimal.

The other aspect of Live Mail which I would like to see changed is
the
colour scheme: a horrible wishy-washy pastel arrangement which to my
eyes
makes the various elements very hard to distinguish from each other.
It
can be changed, but only to other wishy-washy pastel arrangements.
I'm
hoping that a wider choice of alternatives will become available
pretty
soon.

Bert

Hi Bert don't get me wrong I am not anything to do with Microsoft but
I
don't really understand this pastel setup. Have you got an old monitor
or
something but mine is a very clear black and white. Unread messages
are
solid black with a number against their folder which was the same as
in OE.
I have mine set up to give a slightly larger font which makes it
easier to
read or write. To make the page even sharper go to format and then
rich
text

I know that Internet Explorer 8 is a component of Windows 7, but what is
Windows Explorer a component of, if anything, and does it have a number?

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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"Bob" wrote in message
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message
o.uk...
I transferred all my saved messages and mail folders into Live Mail
on my
new Win7 PC with no problems at all, and the basic layout can be
configured to match the Outlook Express layout I was used to, so the
handover was really pretty painless.

I don't like the way that mail and newsgroup messages have to be
accessed
separately, and I don't understand why the simple command
Send/Receive
Messages has been changed to the incomprehensible and uninformative
"Sync", but I've got used to both these changes.

One major fault with the program for me is that it's extremely
difficult
to distinguish between new messages and ones that have been read:
the
diffeence in the way their headings are displayed is extremely
minimal.

The other aspect of Live Mail which I would like to see changed is
the
colour scheme: a horrible wishy-washy pastel arrangement which to my
eyes
makes the various elements very hard to distinguish from each other.
It
can be changed, but only to other wishy-washy pastel arrangements.
I'm
hoping that a wider choice of alternatives will become available
pretty
soon.

Bert

Hi Bert don't get me wrong I am not anything to do with Microsoft but
I
don't really understand this pastel setup. Have you got an old monitor
or
something but mine is a very clear black and white. Unread messages
are
solid black with a number against their folder which was the same as
in OE.
I have mine set up to give a slightly larger font which makes it
easier to
read or write. To make the page even sharper go to format and then
rich
text

I know that Internet Explorer 8 is a component of Windows 7, but what is
Windows Explorer a component of, if anything, and does it have a number?


Windows Explorer, (Win + E key), is a portal that lets you view your
system files and programs. No number and although it is a part of every
Windows operating systems, the word "component" doesn't feel right.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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Thanks Ophelia. Like you I and my wife are starting afresh after ten
years and I am so pleased that I found this site because the answers are
so explicit and helpful. You have given me a lot of confidence knowing
that you sorted it out in an afternoon and hopefully I can do likewise.

I hope you will post how you get on btw I am not so clever; my husband
works in IT so I have an advantage, but it did seem to be fairly ok

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