New laptop

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mechanic wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 08:55:39 -0500, alek trishan wrote:

I'm getting a new laptop and would like it to have the same programs and
files as my old one.

Both are Win 10.

Is there a simple way to achieve this?

This might be useful:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/06/tech...sfer-files-pc/


Seriously? You use CNN for technical advice? Good luck with that.

On 13/02/2017 10:48 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Seriously? You use CNN for technical advice? Good luck with that.


Clinton Network News (aka CNN) helped Russians Hack Hillary Clinton's
servers so their advice must be pretty good. Don't you thing so? Ask
Trump if you want the truth!!




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alek trishan wrote:
I'm getting a new laptop and would like it to have the same programs and
files as my old one.

Both are Win 10.

Is there a simple way to achieve this?

The job is not simple in any case.

Involving a commercial program that does half-a-job,
just complicates matters. (Laplink PC-Mover, Zinstall)

In the end, you still have to test everything, to see
that it survived the trip.

Programs also exist, for moving the entire OS. Those
work by injecting drivers for the new hardware, then
moving the OS over. But such a move, would not
preserve licensing information on any expensive
programs. Some developers expend more energy in the
"protection" of their intellectual content, than they
do in actually carrying out the desired function. And
so just moving the OS over, is only part of the story
for some of those.

And it's not clear to me, how Windows 10 behaves, when
any App Store content suddenly moves to another PC (a
PC with a different hardware hash). The App Store in
the general case, the "content" is re-downloaded if
the OS is upgraded. And the Apps have their own
licensing (even free programs likely track licensing).
And I don't know the details/symptoms if you "teleport"
the whole OS from another machine, and then try to use
an App on the machine with a new hardware hash.

You will be "having a lot of fun in any case". It's
like moving house.

Paul

On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 00:10:45 -0500, Paul wrote:

alek trishan wrote:
I'm getting a new laptop and would like it to have the same programs and
files as my old one.

Both are Win 10.

Is there a simple way to achieve this?

The job is not simple in any case.

What about activation on the new machine?

On 2/14/2017 9:06 AM, Wolf K wrote:
What about activation on the new machine?
During install if you have already activated some programs, to
reactivate some programs you just need to enter the account password or
activation code. Since it has already been activated if the activation
is to great, since the program is already activated, I will just check
activate later.

On 02/13/2017 01:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Some programs can be copied. I remember that used to be true for Forte
Agent.


That's true. I didn't mention it because there are so few that can be
copied that it's essentially irrelevant. For all practical purposes,
almost all programs need to be installed from their original media;
looking to see which (if any) programs can be transferred isn't worth
the time you have to spend doing it.

I DID save significant time moving that program to another computer.
Mostly from not needing to repeat all the user settings, and dealing
with the "assume you're a thief" part (registration key).

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If God can do anything he can make a stone so heavy that even he can't
lift it. Then there is something God cannot do, he cannot lift the
stone. Therefore God does not exist." [Lucretius, Roman poet]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:27:01 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 02/13/2017 01:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Some programs can be copied. I remember that used to be true for Forte
Agent.


That's true. I didn't mention it because there are so few that can be
copied that it's essentially irrelevant. For all practical purposes,
almost all programs need to be installed from their original media;
looking to see which (if any) programs can be transferred isn't worth
the time you have to spend doing it.

I DID save significant time moving that program to another computer.
Mostly from not needing to repeat all the user settings, and dealing
with the "assume you're a thief" part (registration key).


If you know that a particular program can be moved, that's fine. Then
move it. I'm not against moving what you know can be moved. I'm
against spending the time and effort to check all your programs and
finding out that none, or very few, can be moved.

And besides, couldn't you almost as easily have reinstalled Agent and
just moved agent.ini, the file that contains all your settings.

On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:13:31 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

On 2017-02-14 09:10, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/14/2017 9:06 AM, Wolf K wrote:
What about activation on the new machine?
During install if you have already activated some programs, to
reactivate some programs you just need to enter the account
password or activation code. Since it has already been
activated if the activation is to great, since the program is
already activated, I will just check activate later.

No, Kieth, I didn't write that. I answered it. Kindly snip more
carefully in future.

I wrote it; more interested in the Win10 activation story on the new
machine - presumably a new licence is needed if the original Win10
install was not full retail version?

On 02/14/2017 02:18 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

If you know that a particular program can be moved, that's fine. Then
move it. I'm not against moving what you know can be moved. I'm
against spending the time and effort to check all your programs and
finding out that none, or very few, can be moved.

I did already know that that program was movable. I didn't consider that
knowledge to be useless.

And besides, couldn't you almost as easily have reinstalled Agent and
just moved agent.ini, the file that contains all your settings.


Locate and install the Agent setup file, copy Agent.ini, redownload a
lot of saved messages. Significantly more work than copying the Agent
directory, which contains everything.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

If God can do anything he can make a stone so heavy that even he can't
lift it. Then there is something God cannot do, he cannot lift the
stone. Therefore God does not exist." [Lucretius, Roman poet]

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:06:47 -0600, Mark
Lloyd wrote:

On 02/13/2017 10:44 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

There's no simple way to get the programs from the old computer to the
new one. You will need to install them from their original media.


Some programs can be copied. I remember that used to be true for Forte
Agent.

It's still true, and it's true for Eudora email also. With Eudora, you
have to make it the default email program either by installing it,
before or after you copy it from the other computer, or by finding the
list of defaults and setting it there, although mabye it's not in the
list unless you install it, which works fine in win10.

There may be other programs I use but if so they have barely any data so
I just leave any data behind and reinstall them.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 13 Feb 2017 12:46:04 -0500, alek
trishan wrote:

mechanic wrote on 2/13/2017 12:26 PM:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 08:55:39 -0500, alek trishan wrote:

I'm getting a new laptop and would like it to have the same programs and
files as my old one.

Both are Win 10.

Is there a simple way to achieve this?

This might be useful:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/06/tech...sfer-files-pc/


Thanks.

Has anyone tried this?

EaseUS "Todo PCTrans." A $50 option that will let you transfer
everything between two computers on the same network. You can even
download a free trial that lets you transfer two applications gratis.

I wonder how they define "everything".

Good question. I used their Easesus Data Recovery Wizard and it was
more organized and better than I thought it woudl be. It went through
the parttion and found every file it could (which in this case was
probably every file but one or two, and maybe not the swapfile) and let
me choose what I wanted to recover. I could chose by extension, one or
more;, by directory, or I think mulitple directories; or I could choose
everything.

When I choose everything 500megs were free, and if i posted something
(complimentary) on Facebook I could have another 2 gigs free. Once it
had copied the 2 gigs it stopped and made me pay $70 if I wanted more.
Paying started it up again with little or no effort by me.

And since then they've offered me, on occasion or almost permanently,
I'm not sure, a 50% discount on their backup software and maybe other
stuff, although I don't remember hearing of PCTrans before.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:21:48 -0500, alek
trishan wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote on 2/13/2017 1:58 PM:
On 2/13/2017 12:46 PM, alek trishan wrote:
mechanic wrote on 2/13/2017 12:26 PM:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 08:55:39 -0500, alek trishan wrote:

I'm getting a new laptop and would like it to have the same programs and
files as my old one.

Both are Win 10.

Is there a simple way to achieve this?

This might be useful:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/06/tech...sfer-files-pc/


Thanks.

Has anyone tried this?

EaseUS "Todo PCTrans." A $50 option that will let you transfer
everything between two computers on the same network. You can even
download a free trial that lets you transfer two applications gratis.

I wonder how they define "everything".

For free it may be worth it. The transfer is so simple that to me it is
not worth the $50 for the transfer program. To transfer the programs and
data from your old computer to the new one should take about an hour of
monitoring the installs and transfer.

??? Are you talking about re-installation of programs? I have a LOT olf
programs and it will take way more than an hour to reinstall them. Then
I have to find the associated files that are not in Documents. For
example, Thunderbird has files in c:\users\myname\AppData\Roaming and
C:\users\myname\AppData\Local.

Plus this part the site above menitioned
"3) Adjust your settings. Remember how you painstakingly set up your
old PC so it worked just the way you wanted it? You'll have to do that
again, with every application and setting. Bummer. "

OTOH, if you don't install everything, how many programs require changes
to the registry and how will they be made without installing them?

To some extent you could move your data directly after the programs were
installed and that would solve number 3) for those programs if you could
really do it, and if the registry hadn't been changed by any of your
modifications after installation. I sort of despise the registry and
like the programs that use ini files.

One program I just dl'd and installed gave me the choice of an ini file
or the registry.

Or maybe one should just use portable versions of everything, which iiuc
don't use the registry. They don't create shortcuts on the desktop,
and they don't become defaults, iiuc, but iiuc they'd be easy to move
from one box to another, adn creating shortcuts is a lot easier than
updating the registry with values you don't know.

You biggest time requirement in setting up a new computer is getting rid
of the garbage software, downloading the OS updates, and setting the
parameters as you want them.

Personally I like reinstalling programs as it allows me to get rid of
all of the things I put into them and no longer need them.

If you have your computers on a LAN and share drives, you do not even
need to do it all at one time. If the old computer is kaput, then you
may even be able to remove the old drive, put it in a USB enclosure, and
use it as external drive

They will be on the same (wireless) LAN. I guess piecemeal is the way to
go.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 15 Feb 2017 00:20:31 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:06:47 -0600, Mark
Lloyd wrote:

On 02/13/2017 10:44 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

There's no simple way to get the programs from the old computer to the
new one. You will need to install them from their original media.


Some programs can be copied. I remember that used to be true for Forte
Agent.

It's still true, and it's true for Eudora email also. With Eudora, you
have to make it the default email program either by installing it,
before or after you copy it from the other computer, or by finding the
list of defaults and setting it there, although mabye it's not in the
list unless you install it, which works fine in win10.

If you do reinstall Eudora anywhere anytime in any version later than
XP, there is one dll that has to be replaced again with the updated
version which is not in the install package. Any Eudora forum knows
about what to do, and there are 3 that I know of, a newsgroup, a Yahoo
list, and a listmoms list.

There may be other programs I use but if so they have barely any data so
I just leave any data behind and reinstall them.

Hello Kkk!

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KK I'm getting a new laptop and would like it to have the same
KK programs and files as my old one.

KK Both are Win 10.

KK Is there a simple way to achieve this?

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