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ooze has brought this to us :
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:23:54 -0500, chrisv wrote: Doomsdrzej wrote: Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a monthly basis. As regular as the moon changing phases, "Slimer" is back to anti-Linux trolling. The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been feeding you since 1991. Whether you like it or not, it's not perfect and will likely never be perfect since many of its developers gain nothing from optimizing, securing or cleaning its code. When they do, it's mostly just a matter of personal pride. I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the person who speaks it. Name the bugs. I have not had a single problem with Debian Linux for 5 years now. |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 11:36:04 -0500, LO AND BEHOLD; "Anonymous
" determined that the following was of great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in : ooze has brought this to us : On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:23:54 -0500, chrisv wrote: Doomsdrzej wrote: Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a monthly basis. As regular as the moon changing phases, "Slimer" is back to anti-Linux trolling. The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been feeding you since 1991. Whether you like it or not, it's not perfect and will likely never be perfect since many of its developers gain nothing from optimizing, securing or cleaning its code. When they do, it's mostly just a matter of personal pride. I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the person who speaks it. Name the bugs. I have not had a single problem with Debian Linux for 5 years now. can't you tell that he wants to talk about his delusions of teh muslim brotherhood hiding behind every lamppost with beheading swords and -not- debian linux? -- THIS SPACE FOR RENT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6B8jGSdLA "Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this seems to be the new norm in the world. It's spreading like a cancer, and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil. We need to put an end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell everywhere. We need to get these people out of every civilized country, and there's only one way to do it. IOW, we have to become like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Checkmate (of alt.checkmate) "Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously unenforced immigration policies is working. We'll deal with the domestic terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie terrorists get a foothold in our country too. One need only look at what they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan) - "You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor - "If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode - "I think we should destroy every last ****ing mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: - Golden Killfile, June 2005 KOTM, November 2006 Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007 Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006 Busted Urinal Award, April 2007 Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008 Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007 AUK Mascot, September 2007 Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD ****heads, March 2016 |
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On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote:
The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been feeding you since 1991. I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty much "just worked" for me. Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like systems since the 1970s.) The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better hardware and application support. All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks. If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20. alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the person who speaks it. Well, I do believe that I should be permitted to behead anyone who annoys me but that is not tied to any particular OS. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:16:07 -0700, Mike Easter
wrote: Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars. Personally I got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars. Same here. Amiga won. Right? ;-) |
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In article , Roger Blake
wrote: The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better hardware and application support. no it definitely does not. most hardware vendors don't bother writing linux drivers. the market is much too small to be worth the resources needed. most software developers don't bother writing a linux version. the market much is too small to be worth the resources needed. lately, the focus is ios and android. there may not even be a mac or windows version, never mind linux. |
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On 6/1/18 11:02 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote: The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been feeding you since 1991. I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty much "just worked" for me. Which is great -- and it does for many. Curious: what type work do you do with it? I might be more willing to move to Linux if I was, for example, a programmer. I do a fair amount of work with images and videos (mostly screencasting and other educational videos). For the work I do Linux is not as good of a fit. Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like systems since the 1970s.) Sure. The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better hardware and application support. All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks. If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20. alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the person who speaks it. Well, I do believe that I should be permitted to behead anyone who annoys me but that is not tied to any particular OS. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308 |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 11:36:04 -0500, Anonymous
wrote: ooze has brought this to us : On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:23:54 -0500, chrisv wrote: Doomsdrzej wrote: Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a monthly basis. As regular as the moon changing phases, "Slimer" is back to anti-Linux trolling. The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been feeding you since 1991. Whether you like it or not, it's not perfect and will likely never be perfect since many of its developers gain nothing from optimizing, securing or cleaning its code. When they do, it's mostly just a matter of personal pride. I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the person who speaks it. Name the bugs. I have not had a single problem with Debian Linux for 5 years now. - Using Nouveau in Debian prevents wake from sleep or returns a screen with corrupted graphics. This is where you call me a liar because it works fine for you... blah blah blah. |
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:02:38 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote: On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote: The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been feeding you since 1991. I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty much "just worked" for me. Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like systems since the 1970s.) The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better hardware and application support. All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks. If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20. Very reasonable answer. For sure, I can imagine why someone who is already used to UNIX and likely developing software regularly would find Linux appealing. Those people are comfortable with manual configuration and don't let it affect their appreciation for the system. alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the person who speaks it. Well, I do believe that I should be permitted to behead anyone who annoys me but that is not tied to any particular OS. |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 13:14:23 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:16:07 -0700, Mike Easter wrote: Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars. Personally I got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars. Same here. Amiga won. Right? ;-) It's a shame that they spent so much time trying to outdo one another that they never noticed the PC improving and suddenly becoming a more interesting purchase. Both companies also didn't seem to understand the desire for upgradeability in continuing to produce mostly closed packages. |
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On 6/1/18 2:14 PM, oOze wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:02:38 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote: The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been feeding you since 1991. I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty much "just worked" for me. Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like systems since the 1970s.) The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better hardware and application support. All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks. If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20. Very reasonable answer. For sure, I can imagine why someone who is already used to UNIX and likely developing software regularly would find Linux appealing. Those people are comfortable with manual configuration and don't let it affect their appreciation for the system. I tend to focus on UI issues. I think Linux offers an amazing environment for developers and users to play around with different ideas. There are UI concepts on desktop Linux which you cannot really get elsewhe things like having a window with multiple tabs where each tab can be a different program. With macOS most programs have multiple tab support (where it makes sense at least) but you cannot mix and match. Lots of other examples. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308 |
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In article
Snit wrote: On 6/1/18 2:14 PM, oOze wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:02:38 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote: The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been feeding you since 1991. I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty much "just worked" for me. Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like systems since the 1970s.) The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better hardware and application support. All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks. If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20. Very reasonable answer. For sure, I can imagine why someone who is already used to UNIX and likely developing software regularly would find Linux appealing. Those people are comfortable with manual configuration and don't let it affect their appreciation for the system. I tend to focus on UI issues. I think Linux offers an amazing environment for developers and users to play around with different ideas. There are UI concepts on desktop Linux which you cannot really get elsewhe things like having a window with multiple tabs where each tab can be a different program. With macOS most programs have multiple tab support (where it makes sense at least) but you cannot mix and match. Lots of other examples. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308 |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Snit wrote:
On 6/1/18 8:16 AM, Mike Easter wrote: ooze wrote: I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the person who speaks it. Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars.* Personally I got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars. Many many people use both Win and linux for one thing and another; and Chrome OS and/or android for another thing or other. There is more than one tool in the box. Exactly. I use macOS, Linux, and Windows. I use Android and iOS. Use what you like. Ditto. I like having various because each one has their strong and weak areas. However, I noticed the modern OSes aren't great so I use older ones like 64-bit W7, Debian's old and current stable, etc. since I want stability due to privacy, bugs, design issues, etc. -- Quote of the Week: "Really. And do these lions eat ants?" --John Cleese in Monty Python's Flying Circus Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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On 6/1/18 2:59 PM, Ant wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Snit wrote: On 6/1/18 8:16 AM, Mike Easter wrote: ooze wrote: I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the person who speaks it. Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars.Â* Personally I got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars. Many many people use both Win and linux for one thing and another; and Chrome OS and/or android for another thing or other. There is more than one tool in the box. Exactly. I use macOS, Linux, and Windows. I use Android and iOS. Use what you like. Ditto. I like having various because each one has their strong and weak areas. Exactly. And people have different needs and tastes. I have a hard time understanding the religious devotion many have to an OS or environment. However, I noticed the modern OSes aren't great so I use older ones like 64-bit W7, Debian's old and current stable, etc. since I want stability due to privacy, bugs, design issues, etc. While I get the concern for privacy I tend to focus more on ease of use and like using newer OSs. I suppose that is odd given how I tend to use older hardware. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308 |
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In article oOze wrote: On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 11:36:04 -0500, Anonymous wrote: ooze has brought this to us : On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:23:54 -0500, chrisv wrote: Doomsdrzej wrote: Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a monthly basis. As regular as the moon changing phases, "Slimer" is back to anti-Linux trolling. The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been feeding you since 1991. Whether you like it or not, it's not perfect and will likely never be perfect since many of its developers gain nothing from optimizing, securing or cleaning its code. When they do, it's mostly just a matter of personal pride. I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the person who speaks it. Name the bugs. I have not had a single problem with Debian Linux for 5 years now. - Using Nouveau in Debian prevents wake from sleep or returns a screen with corrupted graphics. This is where you call me a liar because it works fine for you... blah blah blah. |
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On 2018-06-01, Snit wrote:
Which is great -- and it does for many. Curious: what type work do you do with it? I do a lot of system and network management work, mainly with internet-based servers (web servers, mail servers, etc.). Used to do software development years ago, but transitioned to sysadmin type work. In some cases I do build software from source (Makefiles are still in use, and still look like bursts of line noise inside!), even make modifications, but I don't get involved in major development projects any more. I'm very familiar with the tools available on Linux for doing system administration and network management tasks, many of which are descendents of ancient Unix programs. (I can actually use my circa 1981 Unix BSD 4.1 manual as a guide to many of the common programs still in use. In a lot of cases all that has changed is adding new command-line options. Scripts I wrote decades ago still work with minor tweaking to accomodate new versions of utility programs.) I do some work with Windows servers and workstations as well, which is why I subscribe to some Windows newsgroups. I might be more willing to move to Linux if I was, for example, a programmer. I do a fair amount of work with images and videos (mostly screencasting and other educational videos). For the work I do Linux is not as good of a fit. As far as I know there are no professional-quality video or photo/graphics editing tools for Linux that you can buy. So Windows or OS-X are going to be the best platforms for that. The GIMP is good enough for my own minimal photo editing needs, the simple Openshot editor for video. On the other hand, ffmpeg is like a Swiss army knife for doing media conversion, and is even used under the hood by a lot of Windows-based conversion software. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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