Wireless network issue for two SP2 computers

Ok, I have looked at everything I can look at and I still don't get it. Seems
like the more I do the more confusing it gets.

Configuration:
Main Computer
Win XP Pro SP2 all updates through 11/17/04
IP Address: 192.168.1.100
Connecting to Internet via Ethernet LAN Port on Intel Board
Acts as ICS host (supposedly, see description of problem) with DSL Internet
Connection


Wireless Router
Linksys BEFW11S4
Most recent Firmware
IP 192.168.1.1

USB NIC
Linksys USB11
Driver as originally shipped
IP Config 192.168.1.101

Second Computer
Win XP Home SP2
IP Address 192.168.1.102

Internal NIC for second computer
Linksys WMP11 most recent firmware
IP Same as Second Computer 192.168.1.102

Description of Problems
Both computers can connect to the Internet, which is strange becasue the
Second Computer (XP Home) can connect to the internet even when the Main
Computer is turned off. (I though with ICS, the host had to be on). But it
getrs wierder. On the Main Computer with xp Pro when I try to view workgroup
computers, I get the message that every gets, Workgroup not accessible. You
night not have permission to use this resource. Contact the administrator of
this server to find out if you have access permissions.
The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available.

No matter how I try to access the workgroup, I get this message on this
computer. When I pull up view network computers, when I try to add network
places, everything. I hate it too, because I am the administrator, very
annoying.

Ok, but also, on the second computer with internal NIC when I pull up view
workfroup computers, I can see the Main computer but when I click it I get a
similar message with Computer Name instead of Workgtoup and then it says the
network path could not be found.

I have TCP/IP enabled, Client for MS Networks enabled, TCP/IP over NETBios
enabled, Computer Browser Started, TCP/IP NETBIOS Helper Startedeverything I
could find to fix this I have tried.

On the main computer, I can ping the router and the USB NIC but not the LAN
Port of the mainboard. On the Second Computer, I can ping, the computer
itself but not the USB NIC card that is supposed to be its cnnection. Again
though, It can connect to the net.

That's all the info I can think of and any help would be appreciated. I have
been working on this for a month and I am at my wits end. I want to be able
to share printers and files and all taht, actually create a Local Area
Network for my home, no success.

Grrrrr

Thanks in advance
xybotten

Oh, I did forget something, the SP Pro comp is running Norton Anti-virus
(fully updated) and Norton Internet Security 2003, fully updated. I also have
Windows firewall protecting the Internet connection but it is disabled on the
supposed LAN connections, (USB Card to Internal NIC Card).

The LAN connection also has TCP/IP, with Client for MS Networks, QoS Packet
scheduler and File and Printer Sharing all activated.

Thanks Again

If you'd like to work through this one-on-one, send me an email and I will
walk you through it.



"Xybotten" wrote in message
...
Ok, I have looked at everything I can look at and I still don't get it.
Seems
like the more I do the more confusing it gets.

Configuration:
Main Computer
Win XP Pro SP2 all updates through 11/17/04
IP Address: 192.168.1.100
Connecting to Internet via Ethernet LAN Port on Intel Board
Acts as ICS host (supposedly, see description of problem) with DSL
Internet
Connection


Wireless Router
Linksys BEFW11S4
Most recent Firmware
IP 192.168.1.1

USB NIC
Linksys USB11
Driver as originally shipped
IP Config 192.168.1.101

Second Computer
Win XP Home SP2
IP Address 192.168.1.102

Internal NIC for second computer
Linksys WMP11 most recent firmware
IP Same as Second Computer 192.168.1.102

Description of Problems
Both computers can connect to the Internet, which is strange becasue the
Second Computer (XP Home) can connect to the internet even when the Main
Computer is turned off. (I though with ICS, the host had to be on). But it
getrs wierder. On the Main Computer with xp Pro when I try to view
workgroup
computers, I get the message that every gets, Workgroup not accessible.
You
night not have permission to use this resource. Contact the administrator
of
this server to find out if you have access permissions.
The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available.

No matter how I try to access the workgroup, I get this message on this
computer. When I pull up view network computers, when I try to add network
places, everything. I hate it too, because I am the administrator, very
annoying.

Ok, but also, on the second computer with internal NIC when I pull up view
workfroup computers, I can see the Main computer but when I click it I get
a
similar message with Computer Name instead of Workgtoup and then it says
the
network path could not be found.

I have TCP/IP enabled, Client for MS Networks enabled, TCP/IP over NETBios
enabled, Computer Browser Started, TCP/IP NETBIOS Helper Startedeverything
I
could find to fix this I have tried.

On the main computer, I can ping the router and the USB NIC but not the
LAN
Port of the mainboard. On the Second Computer, I can ping, the computer
itself but not the USB NIC card that is supposed to be its cnnection.
Again
though, It can connect to the net.

That's all the info I can think of and any help would be appreciated. I
have
been working on this for a month and I am at my wits end. I want to be
able
to share printers and files and all taht, actually create a Local Area
Network for my home, no success.

Grrrrr

Thanks in advance
xybotten

In article ,
"Xybotten" wrote:
Ok, I have looked at everything I can look at and I still don't get it. Seems
like the more I do the more confusing it gets.

Configuration:
Main Computer
Win XP Pro SP2 all updates through 11/17/04
IP Address: 192.168.1.100
Connecting to Internet via Ethernet LAN Port on Intel Board
Acts as ICS host (supposedly, see description of problem) with DSL Internet
Connection


Wireless Router
Linksys BEFW11S4
Most recent Firmware
IP 192.168.1.1

USB NIC
Linksys USB11
Driver as originally shipped
IP Config 192.168.1.101

Second Computer
Win XP Home SP2
IP Address 192.168.1.102

Internal NIC for second computer
Linksys WMP11 most recent firmware
IP Same as Second Computer 192.168.1.102

Description of Problems
Both computers can connect to the Internet, which is strange becasue the
Second Computer (XP Home) can connect to the internet even when the Main
Computer is turned off. (I though with ICS, the host had to be on). But it
getrs wierder. On the Main Computer with xp Pro when I try to view workgroup
computers, I get the message that every gets, Workgroup not accessible. You
night not have permission to use this resource. Contact the administrator of
this server to find out if you have access permissions.
The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available.

No matter how I try to access the workgroup, I get this message on this
computer. When I pull up view network computers, when I try to add network
places, everything. I hate it too, because I am the administrator, very
annoying.

Ok, but also, on the second computer with internal NIC when I pull up view
workfroup computers, I can see the Main computer but when I click it I get a
similar message with Computer Name instead of Workgtoup and then it says the
network path could not be found.

I have TCP/IP enabled, Client for MS Networks enabled, TCP/IP over NETBios
enabled, Computer Browser Started, TCP/IP NETBIOS Helper Startedeverything I
could find to fix this I have tried.

On the main computer, I can ping the router and the USB NIC but not the LAN
Port of the mainboard. On the Second Computer, I can ping, the computer
itself but not the USB NIC card that is supposed to be its cnnection. Again
though, It can connect to the net.

That's all the info I can think of and any help would be appreciated. I have
been working on this for a month and I am at my wits end. I want to be able
to share printers and files and all taht, actually create a Local Area
Network for my home, no success.

Oh, I did forget something, the SP Pro comp is running Norton Anti-virus
(fully updated) and Norton Internet Security 2003, fully updated. I also have
Windows firewall protecting the Internet connection but it is disabled on the
supposed LAN connections, (USB Card to Internal NIC Card).

The LAN connection also has TCP/IP, with Client for MS Networks, QoS Packet
scheduler and File and Printer Sharing all activated.

Thanks Again

I don't see anything in your description that indicates that ICS is
on. ICS assigns IP addresses in the 192.168.0.x subnet, and all of
your addresses are in the 192.168.1.x subnet.

If you have a DSL modem that connects to the wireless router, you
don't need ICS and should disable it if it's enabled.

If the XP Pro comp has a direct connection to a DSL modem, then you
need to:

1. Enable ICS on the DSL connection.

2. Connect the wireless router, using one of its LAN ports, to a
different NIC on the XP Pro computer.

3. Configure the wireless router as an access point only, bypassing
its routing capability and disabling its built-in DHCP server.

These tips should help you get the computers to see each other:

1. If the computers run the original or SP1 versions of Windows XP,
disable XP's built-in Internet Connection Firewall on local area
network connections -- it's for use only on a direct modem connection
to the Internet. If they run SP2, enable the exception for file and
printer sharing in the Windows Firewall. Disable and un-install all
other firewall programs while troubleshooting. When un-installing a
firewall program, use the un-install procedure provided by the
manufacturer . Don't use Control Panel | Add or Remove Programs,
which might not completely un-install it.

For more information, see:

Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...c_firewall.htm

2. Use only one protocol for File and Printer Sharing. If the network
needs more than one protocol, unbind File and Printer Sharing from all
but one of them. Details he

Windows XP Network Protocols
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/..._protocols.htm

3. Make sure that NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on all computers.
Details he

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm

4. Run "ipconfig /all" on XP and look at the "Node Type" at the
beginning of the output. If it says "Peer-to-Peer" (which should
actually be "Point-to-Point") that's the problem. It means that the
computer only uses a WINS server, which isn't available on a
peer-to-peer network, for NetBIOS name resolution.

If that's the case, run the registry editor, open this key:

HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Parame ters

and delete these values if they're present:

NodeType
DhcpNodeType

Reboot, then try network access again.

If that doesn't fix it, open that registry key again, create a DWORD
value called "NodeType", and set it to 1 for "Broadcast" or 4 for
"Mixed".

For details, see these Microsoft Knowledge Base articles:

Default Node Type for Microsoft Clients
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;160177

TCP/IP and NBT Configuration Parameters for Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314053
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
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It already been fixed in email.

Thanks anyway

Carey

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Xybotten" wrote:
Ok, I have looked at everything I can look at and I still don't get it.
Seems
like the more I do the more confusing it gets.

Configuration:
Main Computer
Win XP Pro SP2 all updates through 11/17/04
IP Address: 192.168.1.100
Connecting to Internet via Ethernet LAN Port on Intel Board
Acts as ICS host (supposedly, see description of problem) with DSL
Internet
Connection


Wireless Router
Linksys BEFW11S4
Most recent Firmware
IP 192.168.1.1

USB NIC
Linksys USB11
Driver as originally shipped
IP Config 192.168.1.101

Second Computer
Win XP Home SP2
IP Address 192.168.1.102

Internal NIC for second computer
Linksys WMP11 most recent firmware
IP Same as Second Computer 192.168.1.102

Description of Problems
Both computers can connect to the Internet, which is strange becasue the
Second Computer (XP Home) can connect to the internet even when the Main
Computer is turned off. (I though with ICS, the host had to be on). But it
getrs wierder. On the Main Computer with xp Pro when I try to view
workgroup
computers, I get the message that every gets, Workgroup not accessible.
You
night not have permission to use this resource. Contact the administrator
of
this server to find out if you have access permissions.
The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available.

No matter how I try to access the workgroup, I get this message on this
computer. When I pull up view network computers, when I try to add network
places, everything. I hate it too, because I am the administrator, very
annoying.

Ok, but also, on the second computer with internal NIC when I pull up view
workfroup computers, I can see the Main computer but when I click it I get
a
similar message with Computer Name instead of Workgtoup and then it says
the
network path could not be found.

I have TCP/IP enabled, Client for MS Networks enabled, TCP/IP over NETBios
enabled, Computer Browser Started, TCP/IP NETBIOS Helper Startedeverything
I
could find to fix this I have tried.

On the main computer, I can ping the router and the USB NIC but not the
LAN
Port of the mainboard. On the Second Computer, I can ping, the computer
itself but not the USB NIC card that is supposed to be its cnnection.
Again
though, It can connect to the net.

That's all the info I can think of and any help would be appreciated. I
have
been working on this for a month and I am at my wits end. I want to be
able
to share printers and files and all taht, actually create a Local Area
Network for my home, no success.

Oh, I did forget something, the SP Pro comp is running Norton Anti-virus
(fully updated) and Norton Internet Security 2003, fully updated. I also
have
Windows firewall protecting the Internet connection but it is disabled on
the
supposed LAN connections, (USB Card to Internal NIC Card).

The LAN connection also has TCP/IP, with Client for MS Networks, QoS
Packet
scheduler and File and Printer Sharing all activated.

Thanks Again

I don't see anything in your description that indicates that ICS is
on. ICS assigns IP addresses in the 192.168.0.x subnet, and all of
your addresses are in the 192.168.1.x subnet.

If you have a DSL modem that connects to the wireless router, you
don't need ICS and should disable it if it's enabled.

If the XP Pro comp has a direct connection to a DSL modem, then you
need to:

1. Enable ICS on the DSL connection.

2. Connect the wireless router, using one of its LAN ports, to a
different NIC on the XP Pro computer.

3. Configure the wireless router as an access point only, bypassing
its routing capability and disabling its built-in DHCP server.

These tips should help you get the computers to see each other:

1. If the computers run the original or SP1 versions of Windows XP,
disable XP's built-in Internet Connection Firewall on local area
network connections -- it's for use only on a direct modem connection
to the Internet. If they run SP2, enable the exception for file and
printer sharing in the Windows Firewall. Disable and un-install all
other firewall programs while troubleshooting. When un-installing a
firewall program, use the un-install procedure provided by the
manufacturer . Don't use Control Panel | Add or Remove Programs,
which might not completely un-install it.

For more information, see:

Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...c_firewall.htm

2. Use only one protocol for File and Printer Sharing. If the network
needs more than one protocol, unbind File and Printer Sharing from all
but one of them. Details he

Windows XP Network Protocols
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/..._protocols.htm

3. Make sure that NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on all computers.
Details he

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm

4. Run "ipconfig /all" on XP and look at the "Node Type" at the
beginning of the output. If it says "Peer-to-Peer" (which should
actually be "Point-to-Point") that's the problem. It means that the
computer only uses a WINS server, which isn't available on a
peer-to-peer network, for NetBIOS name resolution.

If that's the case, run the registry editor, open this key:

HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Parame ters

and delete these values if they're present:

NodeType
DhcpNodeType

Reboot, then try network access again.

If that doesn't fix it, open that registry key again, create a DWORD
value called "NodeType", and set it to 1 for "Broadcast" or 4 for
"Mixed".

For details, see these Microsoft Knowledge Base articles:

Default Node Type for Microsoft Clients
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;160177

TCP/IP and NBT Configuration Parameters for Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314053
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com