O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:18:42 -0400, "dadiOH"
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It sounds as if Microsoft's version of System Tools
Scan disk, Chkdsk and Defrag)aren't that great and
most people don't know this level of information or
are aware of it.

It seems there's allot to just maintaining the
computer. I don't want to mess up this computer but
at the same time I would like some maintenance programs
to keep it clean.

I agree with all you say below and just want to add one point.



Clean of what? Malware? Viruses? Best solution for that is to avoid
browsing questionable sites.


....and to avoid opening attachments that you receive by e-mail unless
you know that the person who sent it is *very* skilled technically.
Just coming from a trusted friend or relative is not good enough. Even
if the sender of the attachment doesn't want to infect you, if he is
infected without realizing it, his attachment may be too, and if you
open it you will get infected.


At least some browsers now have the capacity
to warn you of questionable sites. Be sure to keep your anti-virus program'
definitions up to date too.

If by "clean", you mean a registry free of extraneous entries then my best
advice to you is to just leave it alone. A bit of extra won't hurt anything.

Same goes for defragging. True it may take a tiny bit more time to access
something that is fragmented but that time is so small you could never
measure it. Other than that, there is no reason to defragment a drive. Oh,
OK, the extra thrashing might cut a bit of time off the drive's life but -
again - that would be very small.

Again, I thought computers were suppose to be user friendly?

They are, relatively so, if you use them as a consumer. If one tries to be
an IT guy without the necessary knowledge, they could be formidable.

Really, Robert, the best things you can do are to make an image of the new
machine once you have it set up and then to leave it (the machine) alone.
Don't mess with it and things will go smoothly for you.

dadiOH

wrote:
It sounds as if Microsoft's version of System Tools
Scan disk, Chkdsk and Defrag)aren't that great and
most people don't know this level of information or
are aware of it.

It seems there's allot to just maintaining the
computer. I don't want to mess up this computer but
at the same time I would like some maintenance programs
to keep it clean.

Again, I thought computers were suppose to be user
friendly?

Robert

Some forms of maintenance, are optional.

Keeping your AV software up to date, and checking
with other uses to determine whether you've got the
right product mix, is a good idea.

Setting up backups, is again, optional but necessary,
as hard drives don't live forever. If your internal
drive fails, you want a second copy of the files.

Defragmentation and registry cleaning are optional.
I've *never* used a registry cleaner. I have
defragmented on occasion, for fat32 partitions.

The one time I checked my Windows 8 box, there wasn't
enough fragmentation (a couple percent) to even worry
about.

Paul

From: "Paul"

wrote:
It sounds as if Microsoft's version of System Tools
Scan disk, Chkdsk and Defrag)aren't that great and most people don't know
this level of information or are aware of it.

It seems there's allot to just maintaining the computer. I don't want to
mess up this computer but
at the same time I would like some maintenance programs
to keep it clean. Again, I thought computers were suppose to be user
friendly?

Robert

Some forms of maintenance, are optional.

Keeping your AV software up to date, and checking
with other uses to determine whether you've got the
right product mix, is a good idea.

Setting up backups, is again, optional but necessary,
as hard drives don't live forever. If your internal
drive fails, you want a second copy of the files.

Defragmentation and registry cleaning are optional.
I've *never* used a registry cleaner. I have
defragmented on occasion, for fat32 partitions.

The one time I checked my Windows 8 box, there wasn't
enough fragmentation (a couple percent) to even worry
about.

Paul

Regsitry cleaners are NOT optional. They are Snake Oil and should not be
used and actually avoided.

Defragmentation should be performed either manually or via Task Scheduler at
least once per month (depending on use, etc). The OS built-in The OS
built-in defragmentation utility is all that's needed. Albeit I don't like
Vista's lack of any feedback and Win7 and Win8's minimal feedback. I prefer
Win2K, XP's and Win9x/ME visual representation of defragmentation.

--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

David H. Lipman wrote:


Regsitry cleaners are NOT optional. They are Snake Oil and should not
be used and actually avoided.

Defragmentation should be performed either manually or via Task
Scheduler at least once per month (depending on use, etc). The OS
built-in The OS built-in defragmentation utility is all that's needed.
Albeit I don't like Vista's lack of any feedback and Win7 and Win8's
minimal feedback. I prefer Win2K, XP's and Win9x/ME visual
representation of defragmentation.


As far as I'm concerned, they had to remove the defragmentation
graphical feedback, because it would show the still-fragmented files
larger than 50MB. And then there would be too many support questions
to answer.

The older OSes defragmented everything, so the display was "worth
looking at". To see how close to perfection it could get.

Paul

From: "Paul"

David H. Lipman wrote:

Regsitry cleaners are NOT optional. They are Snake Oil and should not be
used and actually avoided.

Defragmentation should be performed either manually or via Task Scheduler
at least once per month (depending on use, etc). The OS built-in The OS
built-in defragmentation utility is all that's needed. Albeit I don't
like Vista's lack of any feedback and Win7 and Win8's minimal feedback.
I prefer Win2K, XP's and Win9x/ME visual representation of
defragmentation.

As far as I'm concerned, they had to remove the defragmentation
graphical feedback, because it would show the still-fragmented files
larger than 50MB. And then there would be too many support questions
to answer.

The older OSes defragmented everything, so the display was "worth
looking at". To see how close to perfection it could get.

Paul

At the very minimum a histogram would is warranted. Thus you have an idea
what has been done and how long since started and you have an idea what is
needed to complete and one can estimate a time frame for completion.

--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

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I've uninstalled CcCleaner and Defraggler.


Robert
I personally believe that you should reinstall CCleaner and use it, EXCEPT
for its Registry Cleaner. CCleaner can speed up cleaning up temp files,
history, cookies, etc. Leave the Registry Cleaner alone!!!!
Buffalo

From: "Buffalo"


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I've uninstalled CcCleaner and Defraggler.

Robert
I personally believe that you should reinstall CCleaner and use it, EXCEPT
for its Registry Cleaner. CCleaner can speed up cleaning up temp files,
history, cookies, etc. Leave the Registry Cleaner alone!!!!
Buffalo

I think he can wait a while. At least until it is a year old and he is more
comfortable with the Win7 OS.

--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

I've read all your comments and I
appreciate your time and effort in
responding to my questions. I'll
leave the computer alone.


Thank you,
Robert

"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
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From: "Paul"

David H. Lipman wrote:

Regsitry cleaners are NOT optional. They are Snake Oil and should not
be used and actually avoided.

Defragmentation should be performed either manually or via Task
Scheduler at least once per month (depending on use, etc). The OS
built-in The OS built-in defragmentation utility is all that's needed.
Albeit I don't like Vista's lack of any feedback and Win7 and Win8's
minimal feedback. I prefer Win2K, XP's and Win9x/ME visual
representation of defragmentation.

As far as I'm concerned, they had to remove the defragmentation
graphical feedback, because it would show the still-fragmented files
larger than 50MB. And then there would be too many support questions
to answer.

The older OSes defragmented everything, so the display was "worth
looking at". To see how close to perfection it could get.

Paul

At the very minimum a histogram would is warranted. Thus you have an idea
what has been done and how long since started and you have an idea what is
needed to complete and one can estimate a time frame for completion.

--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Having cast my eye through this thread, ...all very interesting !
Several areas here where I'm gonna chuck in my two penny'worth !

I thought someone would have clarified offline and online defragging, and
before running either, checking to make sure there are no errors in the file
allocation table first. ...and to defragment system files locked in place
while Windows is online, a defragger that will mark the disk as dirty, so
that offline defragmentation is run on reboot to defrag. hiberfil.sys,
pagefile.sys, meta files etc. ....and noone mentioned stopping Windows from
resizing pagefile.sys to help prevent that being chucked around all over the
hard disk. And noone mentioned retaining the necessary minimum, swapfile on
the boot-drive, and the x1.5 ram main swapfile on the first partition of a
2nd hard disk, where possible for some small performance gains - to reduce
heads skittering around all over boot-drive perhaps whilst loading an
allication and accessing swap file on same drive etc.

regards, Richard

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According to David I shouldn't be using either Ccleaner
or Defraggler but just stick with what the computer came
with but I don't even know what that's called, whether its
automatic or where it's located?

Robert

Well, I would still recommend using CCleaner for clean up tasks, EXCLUDING
THE REGISTRY. Just select what you want it to remove and it can be very
helpful. DO NOT USE the Registry Cleanup function.
I use it to clean temporary files ( do not delete temp files if you just
installed a program that needs to a reboot to complete, until after that
reboot, otherwise the temp files needed to complete the installation may be
deleted). internet history, etc. If used properly, it can be very useful.
Buffalo