Windows 10 Update

I can handle MS pushing Windows 10 upgrades to my computer, BUT Why in
the world can they not put up an alert that there is an update
downloading and installing.

I don't know when the update started but for the last few days I have
had many little harassments. When starting from cold the computer was
going to the computer system troubleshooting menu instead of the
desktop; printers did not work right, email was lost when trying to
send, many small harrasments.

Since this sort of thing is a common occurrence when ever MS is pushing
an upgrade, when I realized what was happening I went to Setting and
forced the upgrade.

An alert that the OS was trying to upgrade would be much simpler would
save many "magic" words.



--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 07/27/2018 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I can handle MS pushing Windows 10 upgrades to my computer,Â* BUT Why in
the world can they not put up an alert that there is an update
downloading and installing.

I don't know when the update started but for the last few days I have
had many little harassments. When starting from cold the computer was
going to the computer system troubleshooting menu instead of the
desktop; printers did not work right, email was lost when trying to
send, many small harrasments.

Since this sort of thing is a common occurrence when ever MS is pushing
an upgrade, when I realized what was happening I went to Setting and
forced the upgrade.

An alert that the OS was trying to upgrade would be much simpler would
save many "magic" words.

There is no explaining M$.

I just turn them off and run them only after I see the guys on this
group saying they are okay

On 7/27/2018 2:12 PM, T wrote:
On 07/27/2018 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I can handle MS pushing Windows 10 upgrades to my computer,Â* BUT Why
in the world can they not put up an alert that there is an update
downloading and installing.

I don't know when the update started but for the last few days I have
had many little harassments. When starting from cold the computer was
going to the computer system troubleshooting menu instead of the
desktop; printers did not work right, email was lost when trying to
send, many small harrasments.

Since this sort of thing is a common occurrence when ever MS is
pushing an upgrade, when I realized what was happening I went to
Setting and forced the upgrade.

An alert that the OS was trying to upgrade would be much simpler would
save many "magic" words.

There is no explaining M$.

I just turn them off and run them only after I see the guys on this
group saying they are okay

You have to know they are coming,

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 07/27/2018 11:18 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2018 2:12 PM, T wrote:
On 07/27/2018 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I can handle MS pushing Windows 10 upgrades to my computer,Â* BUT Why
in the world can they not put up an alert that there is an update
downloading and installing.

I don't know when the update started but for the last few days I have
had many little harassments. When starting from cold the computer was
going to the computer system troubleshooting menu instead of the
desktop; printers did not work right, email was lost when trying to
send, many small harrasments.

Since this sort of thing is a common occurrence when ever MS is
pushing an upgrade, when I realized what was happening I went to
Setting and forced the upgrade.

An alert that the OS was trying to upgrade would be much simpler
would save many "magic" words.

There is no explaining M$.

I just turn them off and run them only after I see the guys on this
group saying they are okay

You have to know they are coming,


YO look for the chatter on this group. When that happens they are
already available.

Keith Nuttle wrote:
I can handle MS pushing Windows 10 upgrades to my computer, BUT Why in
the world can they not put up an alert that there is an update
downloading and installing.

I don't know when the update started but for the last few days I have
had many little harassments. When starting from cold the computer was
going to the computer system troubleshooting menu instead of the
desktop; printers did not work right, email was lost when trying to
send, many small harrasments.

Since this sort of thing is a common occurrence when ever MS is pushing
an upgrade, when I realized what was happening I went to Setting and
forced the upgrade.

An alert that the OS was trying to upgrade would be much simpler would
save many "magic" words.

Powershell: get-windowsupdatelog

A file is placed on your desktop "WindowsUpdate.log",
which is not the same as the bogus empty C:\Windows\WindowsUpdate.log.

Look in your administrator PowerShell window for
the details of where it placed the log. If it's not
your own account Desktop folder, it might have placed
the file in a real administrator account Desktop folder.

*******

But by the time you see "QUEUED" or "Title =" in WindowsUpdate.log,
it is probably too late to make a notification based
on that. CBS.log and dism.log don't appear to be definitive.
I couldn't find a QMGR log. Maybe there is a BITS log,
and seeing BITS activity gives a hint there is "incoming"
material. Thousands of tiny downloads happen when an OS
Upgrade comes in, so BITS is really busy. But the identifiers
are likely to be GUIDs and definitely not KB numbers. Very few
things use KB numbers, such as perhaps the "Title =" field.

WindowsUpdate.log appears to come the closest, but
it still doesn't win a prize.

In other OSes, Windows Update had a GPEdit policy, with
numbers from 0..4 maybe, and these numbers defined
how Windows Update was to run. One of the options was
"Manual Only", which prevents interruptions from
Windows Updates and puts you in control.

Obviously, such a scheme is a non-starter in Windows 10.
Maybe a Preview version still had that, but I would
not expect to see it on a modern W10 release. You can delay
updates by changing streams (and the stream names have
changed to make it harder for me to memorize those
names), but changing streams is not a real form of
control either. It's a really bad joke way of
managing a computer.

You didn't really expect a "feel good" answer
did you ? :-) WU is not that kind of feature.
It's like the customer is a caged animal,
and WU is the stick you poke them with, through
the bars of the cage. Poke Poke You Awake In There ?
Poke.

Paul

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2018 2:12 PM, T wrote:
On 07/27/2018 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I can handle MS pushing Windows 10 upgrades to my computer, BUT Why
in the world can they not put up an alert that there is an update
downloading and installing.

I don't know when the update started but for the last few days I have
had many little harassments. When starting from cold the computer was
going to the computer system troubleshooting menu instead of the
desktop; printers did not work right, email was lost when trying to
send, many small harrasments.

Since this sort of thing is a common occurrence when ever MS is
pushing an upgrade, when I realized what was happening I went to
Setting and forced the upgrade.

An alert that the OS was trying to upgrade would be much simpler
would save many "magic" words.

There is no explaining M$.

I just turn them off and run them only after I see the guys on this
group saying they are okay

You have to know they are coming,


When an OS Upgrade comes in, you can download
the DVD and use that. You don't even need to burn
a DVD, as you can attach the ISO9660 as a virtual
optical drive, and run Setup.exe off the virtual
drive, and it'll do the Upgrade. And no, I don't know
what happens to a Tablet, if you do that two days
after the new version is released. No idea.

Updates come in on Patch Tuesday, and may need
a reboot. Second Tuesday of the month.

Adobe Flash updates should not be disruptive.

Windows Defender updates come in multiple
times a day.

The only "variable" in the picture as such,
is out-of-band updates delivered between
Patch Tuesdays. Now, those can be a complete
surprise, with no warning. You could start
a week long compute project, and one of those
could sneak in four hours after you start.

If you want to do a week long compute project,
unplug the network cable, reboot to give
any pending updates time to install, then
start your project. Do your web surfing
on a second computer.

*******

I have one virtual machine here with Win10 in
it, where the Windows Update executable filename
has been renamed so it cannot load.

What happens when you do that, is Windows Defender
gets all upset and wastes compute cycles until you
"feed it" and it quiets down again. I install
a file from this site, as Administrator, and it accepts
that.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions

Now, if I were to install a third-party AV,
who knows what would happen. Perhaps the OS
would be useful, with no updates or upgrades
coming in at all. Ever,

My VM is stuck at 16299.125 right now, and hasn't
moved in weeks.

Of course this is not a desirable thing in many
ways - it's a pretty extreme form of management.
But I did it to see if the OS had any hidden
self-repair subsystem to undo the changes.

Paul

On 7/27/2018 2:40 PM, T wrote:
On 07/27/2018 11:18 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2018 2:12 PM, T wrote:
On 07/27/2018 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I can handle MS pushing Windows 10 upgrades to my computer,Â* BUT Why
in the world can they not put up an alert that there is an update
downloading and installing.

I don't know when the update started but for the last few days I
have had many little harassments. When starting from cold the
computer was going to the computer system troubleshooting menu
instead of the desktop; printers did not work right, email was lost
when trying to send, many small harrasments.

Since this sort of thing is a common occurrence when ever MS is
pushing an upgrade, when I realized what was happening I went to
Setting and forced the upgrade.

An alert that the OS was trying to upgrade would be much simpler
would save many "magic" words.

There is no explaining M$.

I just turn them off and run them only after I see the guys on this
group saying they are okay

You have to know they are coming,


YO look for the chatter on this group.Â* When that happens they are
already available.



To my knowledge there was no chatter on the July 24th update KB4340917

Instead of the MS Calendar program maybe they should change to
Thunderbird with Lightning to be able to tell the 2nd Tuesday of the month

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 07/27/2018 01:18 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

We all did last year.

However, the experience was so awful most of us suppressed the memory :-)

--
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." [Carl Sagan]

On 7/27/2018 1:59 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I can handle MS pushing Windows 10 upgrades to my computer,Â* BUT Why in
the world can they not put up an alert that there is an update
downloading and installing.

I don't know when the update started but for the last few days I have
had many little harassments. When starting from cold the computer was
going to the computer system troubleshooting menu instead of the
desktop; printers did not work right, email was lost when trying to
send, many small harrasments.

Since this sort of thing is a common occurrence when ever MS is pushing
an upgrade, when I realized what was happening I went to Setting and
forced the upgrade.

An alert that the OS was trying to upgrade would be much simpler would
save many "magic" words.


FWIW, none of my Win10 computers have these issues. The most typical
interruptions I get are when I turn on the computer(s) in the middle of
an upgrade and have to wait for them to complete, which can take a
while. But, while some apps may take time to load, they eventually do.

--
best regards,

Neil

On 27 Jul 2018, Neil wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

FWIW, none of my Win10 computers have these issues. The most
typical interruptions I get are when I turn on the computer(s) in
the middle of an upgrade and have to wait for them to complete,
which can take a while. But, while some apps may take time to
load, they eventually do.

Nor do I. My one Windows 10 computer is an old clunker Atom-processor
HP Netbook that by all rights shouldn't even run Windows 10. It gets
extra-slow when those large updates are coming in, but I've never had
"printers not work" or "email lost" or any of the other symptoms the OP
complains of.

Nil wrote:
On 27 Jul 2018, Neil wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

FWIW, none of my Win10 computers have these issues. The most
typical interruptions I get are when I turn on the computer(s) in
the middle of an upgrade and have to wait for them to complete,
which can take a while. But, while some apps may take time to
load, they eventually do.

Nor do I. My one Windows 10 computer is an old clunker Atom-processor
HP Netbook that by all rights shouldn't even run Windows 10. It gets
extra-slow when those large updates are coming in, but I've never had
"printers not work" or "email lost" or any of the other symptoms the OP
complains of.

I've seen subsystem mis-behavior here.

Not on every Patch Tuesday update, but on
a couple of them.

You do a reboot. The problem clears. You
check the Windows Update history and see some
big update has come in.

My guess, is not every file involved, gets
handled through PendMoves. Or it's some
service that gets shut down during the
download/install, that doesn't get restarted
again (before the user eventually reboots).

Paul

On 7/27/2018 1:59 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I can handle MS pushing Windows 10 upgrades to my computer,Â* BUT Why in
the world can they not put up an alert that there is an update
downloading and installing.

I don't know when the update started but for the last few days I have
had many little harassments. When starting from cold the computer was
going to the computer system troubleshooting menu instead of the
desktop; printers did not work right, email was lost when trying to
send, many small harrasments.

Since this sort of thing is a common occurrence when ever MS is pushing
an upgrade, when I realized what was happening I went to Setting and
forced the upgrade.

An alert that the OS was trying to upgrade would be much simpler would
save many "magic" words.

You can use Event Viewer(eventvwr.msc) to trigger an alert. Start Event
Viewer, expand "Windows Logs", click "System", scroll down in the middle
window, find source "Windows Update Client" with "Event ID:44, then
right-click and select "Attach task to this event". I use a vbscript
file for the alert, but you could use something like
"cmd /k echo An update is being downloaded".
If you need to undo this, run Task Scheduler(taskschd.msc), expand "Task
Scheduler Library", click on "Event Viewer Tasks", right-click the event
in the middle window and select disable or delete.

Ben