I LOVE Windows-10

Well, I decided to start over:
1803 ISO disk
Used "advanced" options to delete all existing partitions on the hard
drive (because it wouldn't install otherwise).
Successful install.
Successful startup, enter user name, etc.

Very next thing: check for updates. Several found and installed EXCEPT
1803 cumulative update KB4338819. "FAILED"
Rebooted, started updates again. Downloaded and failed to install
again. Another reboot and again the same result.

SO, a brand new install with nothing at all done to it will not update
itself.

I LOVE Windows-10


-dan z-


--
Someone who thinks logically provides
a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)

On 7/29/2018 4:13 PM, slate_leeper wrote:
Well, I decided to start over:
1803 ISO disk
Used "advanced" options to delete all existing partitions on the hard
drive (because it wouldn't install otherwise).
Successful install.
Successful startup, enter user name, etc.

Very next thing: check for updates. Several found and installed EXCEPT
1803 cumulative update KB4338819. "FAILED"
Rebooted, started updates again. Downloaded and failed to install
again. Another reboot and again the same result.

SO, a brand new install with nothing at all done to it will not update
itself.

I LOVE Windows-10


-dan z-


As I remember I had problems with KB4338819. I believe one of the
later updates fixed the problem and it finally installed after the later
updates.

I would run with out it for a while and let the system "settle in" and
try it later. If Windows needs the update it will tell you.

Some more involved with the OS may be able to shed more light on your
problem

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

slate_leeper wrote:
Well, I decided to start over:
1803 ISO disk
Used "advanced" options to delete all existing partitions on the hard
drive (because it wouldn't install otherwise).
Successful install.
Successful startup, enter user name, etc.

Very next thing: check for updates. Several found and installed EXCEPT
1803 cumulative update KB4338819. "FAILED"
Rebooted, started updates again. Downloaded and failed to install
again. Another reboot and again the same result.

SO, a brand new install with nothing at all done to it will not update
itself.

I LOVE Windows-10

-dan z-

You can clean out SoftwareUpdates and try again.

That's fixed a lot of broken ones for me.

You can also download the Cumulative here. 676.6MB. KB4338819
Sometimes installing via an MSU works when a WU
install keeps failing.

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...px?q=KB4338819

One thing I like to do, is load up a USB key with
a "Care Package" and do my install offline, until
it's patched reasonably close to being up-to-date.
This is one I did for the copy of Win10 that
runs on this machine once in a while. It needed
an Upgrade, and I wasn't going to wait hours
for the machine to diddle around doing it.

https://s33.postimg.cc/nrgjkogkf/Care_Package.gif

Now, that package is missing the Adobe Flash update.
But the Flash one doesn't "gate" anything, so it's
not a big loss by forgetting to include it. It will
install quickly, right after the network cable is
plugged in again. Keeping the network cable unplugged,
is to keep the OS focused on the job it's supposed
to be doing.

You can get updates from catalog.update.microsoft.com and
type in the KB number. Since the search engine is
Bing, some care must be used when entering extra
terms to shorten the list of returned items. Not
every valid filter term, has a positive outcome
on the search results. When you get back a dozen
files in a result, you have to read the titles
on them *very carefully* as only one of the files
is valid.

Paul

On 29 Jul 2018 16:03:33 GMT, Paul wrote:

You can get updates from catalog.update.microsoft.com

I can't add much value to what Paul and Keith already said, other than to
say that, as I recall, I couldn't get Windows to update for two years, and
then one day, it updated (and bricked the system).

Even the Microsoft store couldn't fix it when I left it with them for two
or three days.

The only lesson I can warn you of is to back up your data.

On 7/29/2018 10:03 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/29/2018 4:13 PM, slate_leeper wrote:
Well, I decided to start over:
1803 ISO disk
Used "advanced" options to delete all existing partitions on the hard
drive (because it wouldn't install otherwise).
Successful install.
Successful startup, enter user name, etc.

Very next thing: check for updates. Several found and installed EXCEPT
1803 cumulative update KB4338819. "FAILED"
Rebooted, started updates again. Downloaded and failed to install
again. Another reboot and again the same result.

SO, a brand new install with nothing at all done to it will not update
itself.

I LOVE Windows-10


-dan z-


As I remember I had problems with KB4338819.Â*Â* I believe one of the
later updates fixed the problem and it finally installed after the later
updates.

I would run with out it for a while and let the system "settle in" and
try it later.Â* If Windows needs the update it will tell you.

Some more involved with the OS may be able to shed more light on your
problem

I kept getting alerts about updates and eventually let a full one run.
It took about five hours, but the computer now runs well even though it
is quite old.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 05:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:


The only lesson I can warn you of is to back up your data.


Amen to that!


--
Someone who thinks logically provides
a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 19:03:33 -0400, Paul
wrote:

You can clean out SoftwareUpdates and try again.


Later I looked at update history. That cumulative update was listed
twice. One said failed, the other said succeeded. No time stamp on
either.

Surmise: while checking Google on this, I found reports of the failure
message being false. So maybe it DID install, despite the failure
message, and then failed on later tries because it was already
installed.

Microsoft: Making life easier and reducing stress for users
everyday...

-dan z-


--
Someone who thinks logically provides
a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)

On 7/30/2018 2:22 PM, slate_leeper wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 19:03:33 -0400, Paul
wrote:

You can clean out SoftwareUpdates and try again.


Later I looked at update history. That cumulative update was listed
twice. One said failed, the other said succeeded. No time stamp on
either.

Surmise: while checking Google on this, I found reports of the failure
message being false. So maybe it DID install, despite the failure
message, and then failed on later tries because it was already
installed.

Microsoft: Making life easier and reducing stress for users
everyday...

-dan z-


You should make sure that the folder \windows\SoftwareDistribution is
clean. If there have been a couple of update failures, you may have
literally thousands of file in that folder. You can go in and turn off
the update, but if you just go in and delete the delete able files you
can accomplish the same thing, with our the editing the registry file.

If there are enough files in the folder and one has become corrupt, it
can create a lot of problems. You can search this and will find is is
part of MS recommended corrections for update problems.





--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 30 Jul 2018 14:33:58 GMT, Keith Nuttle wrote:

You should make sure that the folder \windows\SoftwareDistribution is
clean. If there have been a couple of update failures, you may have
literally thousands of file in that folder. You can go in and turn off
the update, but if you just go in and delete the delete able files you
can accomplish the same thing, with our the editing the registry file.

If there are enough files in the folder and one has become corrupt, it
can create a lot of problems. You can search this and will find is is
part of MS recommended corrections for update problems.

That's good advice to add to the tribal knowledge in the thread on cleaning
up Microsoft crap after any installation or update, which included, as I
recall...
1. $Windows.~WS (and BT)
2. ESD
3. MSOCache
4. ouput
5. PerfLogs
6. Windows.old

From my log, this is a reference that was given in that thread...
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...1-20d565d28527

Where, from my logs, this command sometimes helps on other cleanup issues:
c:\windows\system32\cleanmgr.exe

Where my log files show this record, made a few months ago...
[x] Windows Update Cleanup [10.0MB]
Windows keeps copies of all installed updates from Windows
Update, even after installing newer versions of updates. Windows
Update cleanup deletes or compresses older versions of upates
that are no longer needed and taking up space. (You might need
to restart your computer.)
[x] Windows Defender Antivirus [1.14MB]
Non critical files used by Windows Defender Andivirus
[x] Windows upgrade log files [260MB]
Windows upgrade log files contain information that can help
identify and troubleshoot problems that occur during Windows
installation, upgrade, or servicing. Deleting these files can make it
difficult to troubleshoot installation issues.
[x] Downloaded Program Files [0 bytes]
Downloaded Program Files are ActiveX controls and Java applets
downloaded automatically from the Internet when you view certain
pages. TGhey are temporarily stored in the Downloaded Program
Files folder on your hard disk.
[x] Temporary Internet Files [5.21 MB]
The Temporary Internet Files folder contains webpages stored on
your hard disk for quick viewing. Your personalized settings for
webpages will be left intact.
[x] System created Windows Error Reporting [166 KB]
Files used for error reporting and solution checking.
[x] DirectX Shader Cache [0 bytes]
Clean up files created by the graphics system which can speed up
application load time and improve responsiveness. They will be
re-generated as needed.
[x] Delivery Optimization Files [2.66 MB]
Delivery Optimization files are files that were previously
downloaded to your computer and can be deleted if currently
unused by the Delivery Optimization Service.
[x] Device driver packages [0 bytes]
Windows keeps copies of all previously installed device driver
packages from Windows UPdate and other sources, even after
installing newer versions of drivers. This task will remove older
versions of drivers that are no longer needed. The most current
versions of each driver package will be kept.
[x] Previous Windows installation(s) [1.61 GB]
Files from a previous Windows installation. Files and folders that
may conflict with the installation of Windows have been moved to
folders named Windows.old. You can access data from the
previous Winodws installation in this folder.
[x] Recycle Bin [2.49 MB]
The Recycle Bin contains files you have deleted from your
computer. These files are not permanently removed until you
empty the Recycle Bin.
[x] Temporary files [34.7 MB]
Programs sometimes store temporary information in a TEMP folder.
Before a program closes, it usually deletes this information.
You can safely delete temporary files that have not been modified
in over a week.
[x] Temporary Windows installation files [380 KB]
Installation files used by Windows setup. These files are left over
from the installation process and can be safely deleted.
[x] Thumbnails [30.1 MB]
Windows keeps a copy of all of your picture, video, and
document thumbnails so they can be displayed quickly when you
open a folder. If you delete these thumbnails, they will be
automatically recreated as needed.