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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 10/3/2018 7:39 AM, GS wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:11 PM, GS wrote: I forgot to mention that the boot order starts with my system SSD, then DVD, then USB[s]! I have the same setup with a hard drive.* No problems with boot. But that drive isn't in the boot list. Since I want to boot from a USB occasionally, I can't just remove USB from the boot list. I discovered that if I make my boot order like yours, I don't have a boot problem, but it won't automatically boot from a bootable USB drive. In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! Unless it's a non-bootable flash drive that locks up the boot process. |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 10/3/2018 1:59 AM, Paul wrote:
Mike wrote: The working drive has only two entries for removal policy: quick removal and better performance. The policies page for the non-working drives have four entries: Quick Removal, Better performance, enable write caching, turn off windows write-cache... That's the inconsistency mentioned in a google search. Even if that is the problem, what do I do to fix it? Is there a place I can edit the removable bit? That might be a function of file system choice. You could read the article here for more inspiration. https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbstick_e.html ** Paul Thanks for the very interesting info. Seems that the answer to every USB question is, "It depends on info not disclosed by the vendor...." |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 10/3/2018 7:39 AM, GS wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:11 PM, GS wrote: I forgot to mention that the boot order starts with my system SSD, then DVD, then USB[s]! I have the same setup with a hard drive.* No problems with boot. But that drive isn't in the boot list. Since I want to boot from a USB occasionally, I can't just remove USB from the boot list. I discovered that if I make my boot order like yours, I don't have a boot problem, but it won't automatically boot from a bootable USB drive. In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! Unless it's a non-bootable flash drive that locks up the boot process. Boot manager will step through the boot order list until it encounters a bootable drive; - any non-bootable drives above the 1st bootable drive get skipped over; - there should be no locking up of the boot process in a normal system config! -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 10/3/2018 1:53 PM, GS wrote:
On 10/3/2018 7:39 AM, GS wrote: On 10/2/2018 11:11 PM, GS wrote: I forgot to mention that the boot order starts with my system SSD, then DVD, then USB[s]! I have the same setup with a hard drive.* No problems with boot. But that drive isn't in the boot list. Since I want to boot from a USB occasionally, I can't just remove USB from the boot list. I discovered that if I make my boot order like yours, I don't have a boot problem, but it won't automatically boot from a bootable USB drive. In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! Unless it's a non-bootable flash drive that locks up the boot process. Boot manager will step through the boot order list until it encounters a bootable drive; - any non-bootable drives above the 1st bootable drive get skipped over; - there should be no locking up of the boot process in a normal system config! I'd have to agree with "should be", but evidence suggests that it ain't so. It appears that the BIOS is waiting for something that never comes. And it's flash drive dependent. Some work, some don't. I'd like to fix it so they all get skipped instead of blocking the boot. |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 10/3/2018 1:53 PM, GS wrote:
On 10/3/2018 7:39 AM, GS wrote: On 10/2/2018 11:11 PM, GS wrote: I forgot to mention that the boot order starts with my system SSD, then DVD, then USB[s]! I have the same setup with a hard drive.* No problems with boot. But that drive isn't in the boot list. Since I want to boot from a USB occasionally, I can't just remove USB from the boot list. I discovered that if I make my boot order like yours, I don't have a boot problem, but it won't automatically boot from a bootable USB drive. In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! Unless it's a non-bootable flash drive that locks up the boot process. Boot manager will step through the boot order list until it encounters a bootable drive; - any non-bootable drives above the 1st bootable drive get skipped over; - there should be no locking up of the boot process in a normal system config! I'd have to agree with "should be", but evidence suggests that it ain't so. It appears that the BIOS is waiting for something that never comes. And it's flash drive dependent. Some work, some don't. I'd like to fix it so they all get skipped instead of blocking the boot. My W10 machine has one of its USBs in 1st place, followed by its system drive. The boot isn't blocked when there's a non-bootable stick in that USB. Sounds to me like something is amiss in your system; - did you try doing a repair? -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 10/3/2018 8:10 PM, GS wrote:
On 10/3/2018 1:53 PM, GS wrote: On 10/3/2018 7:39 AM, GS wrote: On 10/2/2018 11:11 PM, GS wrote: I forgot to mention that the boot order starts with my system SSD, then DVD, then USB[s]! I have the same setup with a hard drive.* No problems with boot. But that drive isn't in the boot list. Since I want to boot from a USB occasionally, I can't just remove USB from the boot list. I discovered that if I make my boot order like yours, I don't have a boot problem, but it won't automatically boot from a bootable USB drive. In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! Unless it's a non-bootable flash drive that locks up the boot process. Boot manager will step through the boot order list until it encounters a bootable drive; - any non-bootable drives above the 1st bootable drive get skipped over; - there should be no locking up of the boot process in a normal system config! I'd have to agree with "should be", but evidence suggests that it ain't so. It appears that the BIOS is waiting for something that never comes. And it's flash drive dependent.* Some work, some don't. I'd like to fix it so they all get skipped instead of blocking the boot. My W10 machine has one of its USBs in 1st place, followed by its system drive. The boot isn't blocked when there's a non-bootable stick in that USB. Sounds to me like something is amiss in your system; - did you try doing a repair? Well, yes, that's the issue. MOST of my thumb drives block the boot. Some don't. I have the same issue on a different computer with win7. The problem goes WITH the thumb drive, not the computer or the OS. Anything's possible, but the symptom strongly suggests that there's something amiss with the bits ON THE THUMB DRIVE. |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 10/03/2018 09:39 AM, GS wrote:
[snip] In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! A lot of newer computers use a special key (often F11 or F12) to boot from a specific device. This selection is one time so there's no problem with forgetting to change it back. -- 82 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ Jesus loves the Ku Klux Klanners, Jesus loves the KKK, Pointy hats and flowing robes, Burning crosses, homophobes! Jesus loves the Klanners of the world! |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 10/4/2018 8:19 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/03/2018 09:39 AM, GS wrote: [snip] In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! A lot of newer computers use a special key (often F11 or F12) to boot from a specific device. This selection is one time so there's no problem with forgetting to change it back. Thanks, but I'm not looking for options to complicate the boot process. I have ONE objective. My USB drive is FIRST in boot order. MY HDD is SECOND in boot order. I have a data thumb drive that's permanently installed. When I power on the system, I want one of two things to happen. 1) bootable thumb drive boots. 2) non-bootable drive is skipped and the HDD boots. I have several thumb drives that do this EXACTLY. I have several thumb drives that HANG the boot process if they're not bootable. This prevents me from having a non-bootable data drive permanently installed. NONE of my thumb drives over 16GB behave the way I want. I have two "seemingly identical" 16GB HP branded thumb drives. One satisfies my criteria, one doesn't, it hangs the boot. Yes, I have ONE 16GB thumb drive that does what I want. I want a BIGGER permanently installed thumb drive. I need this capability on multiple systems, so I need another working thumb drive. I want to figger out what I've done to the thumb drives to make them hang the boot and FIX THE THUMB DRIVE so it doesn't hang the boot if it's permanently installed and not bootable. Symptoms suggest that this is NOT an OS problem. Each thumb drive has the same properties when attempted on my Dell Optiplex 780 and my Dell optiplex 360. Doesn't matter whether the HDD is win7 or win10 or removed from the computer entirely. The boot process sees something on the thumb drive that suggests it should WAIT for something that never comes. I want to remove that suggestion from the THUMB DRIVE so I can have a 64GB thumb drive permanently installed as a data drive AND retain the ability to boot from a second bootable thumb drive without doing ANYTHING special during the boot. I've been doing this successfully for years. The problem is on the thumb drive. I want to FIX THE THUMB DRIVE(s). |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
Mike wrote:
On 10/4/2018 8:19 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 10/03/2018 09:39 AM, GS wrote: [snip] In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! A lot of newer computers use a special key (often F11 or F12) to boot from a specific device. This selection is one time so there's no problem with forgetting to change it back. Thanks, but I'm not looking for options to complicate the boot process. I have ONE objective. My USB drive is FIRST in boot order. MY HDD is SECOND in boot order. I have a data thumb drive that's permanently installed. When I power on the system, I want one of two things to happen. 1) bootable thumb drive boots. 2) non-bootable drive is skipped and the HDD boots. I have several thumb drives that do this EXACTLY. I have several thumb drives that HANG the boot process if they're not bootable. This prevents me from having a non-bootable data drive permanently installed. NONE of my thumb drives over 16GB behave the way I want. I have two "seemingly identical" 16GB HP branded thumb drives. One satisfies my criteria, one doesn't, it hangs the boot. Yes, I have ONE 16GB thumb drive that does what I want. I want a BIGGER permanently installed thumb drive. I need this capability on multiple systems, so I need another working thumb drive. I want to figger out what I've done to the thumb drives to make them hang the boot and FIX THE THUMB DRIVE so it doesn't hang the boot if it's permanently installed and not bootable. Symptoms suggest that this is NOT an OS problem. Each thumb drive has the same properties when attempted on my Dell Optiplex 780 and my Dell optiplex 360. Doesn't matter whether the HDD is win7 or win10 or removed from the computer entirely. The boot process sees something on the thumb drive that suggests it should WAIT for something that never comes. I want to remove that suggestion from the THUMB DRIVE so I can have a 64GB thumb drive permanently installed as a data drive AND retain the ability to boot from a second bootable thumb drive without doing ANYTHING special during the boot. I've been doing this successfully for years. The problem is on the thumb drive. I want to FIX THE THUMB DRIVE(s). Can you put enough "boot materials", like "blah.efi" or a bootable MBR and on the USB stick, just so it can be scanned and ignored ? Maybe these sticks need just enough materials to make them ignorable, rather than dropping dead in some "boot evaluation" code. Paul |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 05/10/2018 09:21, Mike wrote:
On 10/4/2018 8:19 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 10/03/2018 09:39 AM, GS wrote: [snip] In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! A lot of newer computers use a special key (often F11 or F12) to boot from a specific device. This selection is one time so there's no problem with forgetting to change it back. Thanks, but I'm not looking for options to complicate the boot process. I have ONE objective. My USB drive is FIRST in boot order. MY HDD is SECOND in boot order. I have a data thumb drive that's permanently installed. When I power on the system, I want one of two things to happen. 1) bootable thumb drive boots. 2) non-bootable drive is skipped and the HDD boots. I have several thumb drives that do this EXACTLY. I have several thumb drives that HANG the boot process if they're not bootable. This prevents me from having a non-bootable data drive permanently installed. NONE of my thumb drives over 16GB behave the way I want. I have two "seemingly identical" 16GB HP branded thumb drives. One satisfies my criteria, one doesn't, it hangs the boot. Yes, I have ONE 16GB thumb drive that does what I want. I want a BIGGER permanently installed thumb drive.* I need this capability on multiple systems, so I need another working thumb drive. I want to figger out what I've done to the thumb drives to make them hang the boot and FIX THE THUMB DRIVE so it doesn't hang the boot if it's permanently installed and not bootable. Symptoms suggest that this is NOT an OS problem. Each thumb drive has the same properties when attempted on my Dell Optiplex 780 and my Dell optiplex 360.* Doesn't matter whether the HDD is win7 or win10 or removed from the computer entirely. The boot process sees something on the thumb drive that suggests it should WAIT for something that never comes.* I want to remove that suggestion from the THUMB DRIVE so I can have a 64GB thumb drive permanently installed as a data drive AND retain the ability to boot from a second bootable thumb drive without doing ANYTHING special during the boot. I've been doing this successfully for years.* The problem is on the thumb drive.* I want to FIX THE THUMB DRIVE(s). http://m.majorgeeks.com/files/detail...rmat_tool.html Various other USB Formatters; https://howtorecover.me/best-program...ves-formatting |
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Can I FORCE a USB thumb drive NOT to PREVENT system boot?
On 10/5/2018 2:42 AM, Patrick wrote:
On 05/10/2018 09:21, Mike wrote: On 10/4/2018 8:19 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 10/03/2018 09:39 AM, GS wrote: [snip] In order to boot from a USB drive you must change boot order. Otherwise the 1st bootable drive in the list is what boots! A lot of newer computers use a special key (often F11 or F12) to boot from a specific device. This selection is one time so there's no problem with forgetting to change it back. Thanks, but I'm not looking for options to complicate the boot process. I have ONE objective. My USB drive is FIRST in boot order. MY HDD is SECOND in boot order. I have a data thumb drive that's permanently installed. When I power on the system, I want one of two things to happen. 1) bootable thumb drive boots. 2) non-bootable drive is skipped and the HDD boots. I have several thumb drives that do this EXACTLY. I have several thumb drives that HANG the boot process if they're not bootable. This prevents me from having a non-bootable data drive permanently installed. NONE of my thumb drives over 16GB behave the way I want. I have two "seemingly identical" 16GB HP branded thumb drives. One satisfies my criteria, one doesn't, it hangs the boot. Yes, I have ONE 16GB thumb drive that does what I want. I want a BIGGER permanently installed thumb drive.* I need this capability on multiple systems, so I need another working thumb drive. I want to figger out what I've done to the thumb drives to make them hang the boot and FIX THE THUMB DRIVE so it doesn't hang the boot if it's permanently installed and not bootable. Symptoms suggest that this is NOT an OS problem. Each thumb drive has the same properties when attempted on my Dell Optiplex 780 and my Dell optiplex 360.* Doesn't matter whether the HDD is win7 or win10 or removed from the computer entirely. The boot process sees something on the thumb drive that suggests it should WAIT for something that never comes.* I want to remove that suggestion from the THUMB DRIVE so I can have a 64GB thumb drive permanently installed as a data drive AND retain the ability to boot from a second bootable thumb drive without doing ANYTHING special during the boot. I've been doing this successfully for years.* The problem is on the thumb drive.* I want to FIX THE THUMB DRIVE(s). http://m.majorgeeks.com/files/detail...rmat_tool.html Tried that one. Doesn't seem to have any more options than usual built-in windows tools. It did tell me that it thought the thumb drive was "removable fixed". Dunno exactly what that means. It claimed that my hard drive was "fixed fixed" No obvious way to change that. Oh well...format NTFS. Can't format a drive without a label. OK, label drive. Quick format not allowed. Didn't have time to wait for a long format, so I'll just close window. Do you want to hear about some PDF stuff? NO! Do you want to buy the pro version to get rid of these annoying messages? NO! Do you want to hear about some PDF stuff? NO! Do you want to buy the pro version to get rid of the NO! Do you want to hear about some PDF stuff? NO! Do you want to buy the pro version to get rid of the NO!... Had to use task manager to kill it. Programs and features claims to have uninstalled it, but I don't trust programs that behave that way. I give it zero stars... Various other USB Formatters; https://howtorecover.me/best-program...ves-formatting |
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