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Old October 1st 18, 09:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Annoying printers two

Have you ever run the jet cleaning function of an HP inkjet only to
run out of ink performing the test? Clever they way that works isn't
it? You then have to buy a new cartridge, and that fixes the
problem...

Old indian trick: Take the cart. out of the printer and balance it in
on the ink spitting tip in plate of water on a drenched paper towel.
An hour long soak will clean the cartridge with almost no loss of ink.
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Old October 1st 18, 10:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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default wrote:

Have you ever run the jet cleaning function of an HP inkjet only to
run out of ink performing the test? Clever they way that works isn't
it? You then have to buy a new cartridge, and that fixes the
problem...

Old indian trick: Take the cart. out of the printer and balance it in
on the ink spitting tip in plate of water on a drenched paper towel.
An hour long soak will clean the cartridge with almost no loss of ink.


The built-in cleaning method is very weak. It can remove dried ink but
not if it is blocking a port. There must be some flow through the port
for the solvents in the ink to dissolve the blockage.

I just use a paper towel with isopropyl alcohol to swipe across the head
to clean it. The ink loss is what gets wiped onto the paper towel.
Most cartridges have a sponge at the end. Ink can dry up in the sponge.
There are only 2 substances to clean the sponge: water or isopropyl
alcohol (with has some water). Isopropyl alcohol isn't strong enough to
dissolve the sponge but is strong enough to dissolve the dried ink. If
several wipes aren't enough, use an eye dropper to apply a few drops of
isopropyl onto the head into the sponge. Don't scrub back and forth
with the wetted paper towel. Swipe across just once while moving in
only one direction across the head. If you want to swipe again, use a
different part of the wetted paper towel to swipe across in only one
direction.

When the quick method of wiping with isopropyl doesn't work, soaking in
water+ammonia might work. Use a soft container: plastic pan or cup.
Hard surfaces can damage the head, and another reason for the paper
towel. Use distilled water, not tap water. Heat the water but do not
boil it (which is way too hot). Mix the heated distilled water with the
ammonia (a 1:1 ratio is good). The water level should be about 1/2"
above the head sitting on the paper towel, so it can get into the
sponge. Don't just leave the cartridge sitting in one place. At about
1 minute intervals, move it to a different and unused spot on the paper
towel. You should see when the ink begins to bleed out the head into
the solution.

No cleaning method has zero waste of good ink. You lose some good ink
while trying to get rid of the dried ink. If those tricks don't work,
time to replace the cartridge.

The head gets blocked because the ink dried out and that's because the
cartridge is not getting used enough. A cartridge lasts me about a year
because I don't print much. I only print when I have to. I haven't
stored any documents on paper for a long time. While not nearly as
wasteful as the head cleaning procedure built into the printer, I
schedule a weekly print of a test page (a built-in procedure to the
printer's software).

Inkjets are considered "ink delivery systems". The printer generates
little revenue. The big profit is on the consumables (cartridges).
When determing the overall cost of owning a printer, it's the
consumables that decide how pricey is that ownership. Letting the
printer sit idle for over a week increases the chance of blockage due to
dried ink. They're designed to be used daily, not every few months
because that happens to be about how often I need a printout.
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Old October 3rd 18, 12:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Annoying printers two

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 16:17:43 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

default wrote:

Have you ever run the jet cleaning function of an HP inkjet only to
run out of ink performing the test? Clever they way that works isn't
it? You then have to buy a new cartridge, and that fixes the
problem...

Old indian trick: Take the cart. out of the printer and balance it in
on the ink spitting tip in plate of water on a drenched paper towel.
An hour long soak will clean the cartridge with almost no loss of ink.


The built-in cleaning method is very weak. It can remove dried ink but
not if it is blocking a port. There must be some flow through the port
for the solvents in the ink to dissolve the blockage.

I just use a paper towel with isopropyl alcohol to swipe across the head
to clean it. The ink loss is what gets wiped onto the paper towel.
Most cartridges have a sponge at the end. Ink can dry up in the sponge.
There are only 2 substances to clean the sponge: water or isopropyl
alcohol (with has some water). Isopropyl alcohol isn't strong enough to
dissolve the sponge but is strong enough to dissolve the dried ink. If
several wipes aren't enough, use an eye dropper to apply a few drops of
isopropyl onto the head into the sponge. Don't scrub back and forth
with the wetted paper towel. Swipe across just once while moving in
only one direction across the head. If you want to swipe again, use a
different part of the wetted paper towel to swipe across in only one
direction.

When the quick method of wiping with isopropyl doesn't work, soaking in
water+ammonia might work. Use a soft container: plastic pan or cup.
Hard surfaces can damage the head, and another reason for the paper
towel. Use distilled water, not tap water. Heat the water but do not
boil it (which is way too hot). Mix the heated distilled water with the
ammonia (a 1:1 ratio is good). The water level should be about 1/2"
above the head sitting on the paper towel, so it can get into the
sponge. Don't just leave the cartridge sitting in one place. At about
1 minute intervals, move it to a different and unused spot on the paper
towel. You should see when the ink begins to bleed out the head into
the solution.

No cleaning method has zero waste of good ink. You lose some good ink
while trying to get rid of the dried ink. If those tricks don't work,
time to replace the cartridge.

The head gets blocked because the ink dried out and that's because the
cartridge is not getting used enough. A cartridge lasts me about a year
because I don't print much. I only print when I have to. I haven't
stored any documents on paper for a long time. While not nearly as
wasteful as the head cleaning procedure built into the printer, I
schedule a weekly print of a test page (a built-in procedure to the
printer's software).

Inkjets are considered "ink delivery systems". The printer generates
little revenue. The big profit is on the consumables (cartridges).
When determing the overall cost of owning a printer, it's the
consumables that decide how pricey is that ownership. Letting the
printer sit idle for over a week increases the chance of blockage due to
dried ink. They're designed to be used daily, not every few months
because that happens to be about how often I need a printout.


I never had to do more than use water and time. I left the house
buttoned up one summer (temps in the 100'sF) for 4.5 months and had no
problem rejuvenating the print head with water alone.
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Old October 3rd 18, 05:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Annoying printers two

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 16:24:04 -0400, default wrote:

Have you ever run the jet cleaning function of an HP inkjet only to run
out of ink performing the test? Clever they way that works isn't it?
You then have to buy a new cartridge, and that fixes the problem...

Old indian trick: Take the cart. out of the printer and balance it in
on the ink spitting tip in plate of water on a drenched paper towel. An
hour long soak will clean the cartridge with almost no loss of ink.


Unless you really need color, get a laser printer. They run forever on a
toner cartridge and can sit for weeks of non-use. I have had very good
luck with Brother, currently HL-2360DW.
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Old October 4th 18, 04:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/03/2018 11:01 AM, dave61430 wrote:

[snip]

Unless you really need color, get a laser printer. They run forever on a
toner cartridge and can sit for weeks of non-use. I have had very good
luck with Brother, currently HL-2360DW.


They do print a lot on a cartridge, and never dry out (so a lot less
trouble than inkjets).

I like Brother laser printers. IIRC, the letters at the end indicate
Duplex (2-sided printing) and Wireless. A color printer would include a C.

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Old October 10th 18, 08:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Lucifer wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 16:17:43 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

default wrote:

Have you ever run the jet cleaning function of an HP inkjet only to
run out of ink performing the test? Clever they way that works isn't
it? You then have to buy a new cartridge, and that fixes the
problem...

Old indian trick: Take the cart. out of the printer and balance it in
on the ink spitting tip in plate of water on a drenched paper towel.
An hour long soak will clean the cartridge with almost no loss of ink.


The built-in cleaning method is very weak. It can remove dried ink but
not if it is blocking a port. There must be some flow through the port
for the solvents in the ink to dissolve the blockage.

I just use a paper towel with isopropyl alcohol to swipe across the head
to clean it. The ink loss is what gets wiped onto the paper towel.
Most cartridges have a sponge at the end. Ink can dry up in the sponge.
There are only 2 substances to clean the sponge: water or isopropyl
alcohol (with has some water). Isopropyl alcohol isn't strong enough to
dissolve the sponge but is strong enough to dissolve the dried ink. If
several wipes aren't enough, use an eye dropper to apply a few drops of
isopropyl onto the head into the sponge. Don't scrub back and forth
with the wetted paper towel. Swipe across just once while moving in
only one direction across the head. If you want to swipe again, use a
different part of the wetted paper towel to swipe across in only one
direction.

When the quick method of wiping with isopropyl doesn't work, soaking in
water+ammonia might work. Use a soft container: plastic pan or cup.
Hard surfaces can damage the head, and another reason for the paper
towel. Use distilled water, not tap water. Heat the water but do not
boil it (which is way too hot). Mix the heated distilled water with the
ammonia (a 1:1 ratio is good). The water level should be about 1/2"
above the head sitting on the paper towel, so it can get into the
sponge. Don't just leave the cartridge sitting in one place. At about
1 minute intervals, move it to a different and unused spot on the paper
towel. You should see when the ink begins to bleed out the head into
the solution.

No cleaning method has zero waste of good ink. You lose some good ink
while trying to get rid of the dried ink. If those tricks don't work,
time to replace the cartridge.

The head gets blocked because the ink dried out and that's because the
cartridge is not getting used enough. A cartridge lasts me about a year
because I don't print much. I only print when I have to. I haven't
stored any documents on paper for a long time. While not nearly as
wasteful as the head cleaning procedure built into the printer, I
schedule a weekly print of a test page (a built-in procedure to the
printer's software).

Inkjets are considered "ink delivery systems". The printer generates
little revenue. The big profit is on the consumables (cartridges).
When determing the overall cost of owning a printer, it's the
consumables that decide how pricey is that ownership. Letting the
printer sit idle for over a week increases the chance of blockage due to
dried ink. They're designed to be used daily, not every few months
because that happens to be about how often I need a printout.


Might you be better off with a laser printer?


Yep. I'm done with inkjets. They're just too expensive, especially
when the consumables self-destruct, and too slow. My previous had a
duplex module to do automatic 2-sided printing but my latest one
doesn't. I still want color, though, so I have to check out the cost of
consumables for a color laser printer.

I've only looked for a few minutes at some color laser printers. The
Xerox WorkCentre 6515DNI for ~$340 looks good. The color cartridges
(cyan, magenta, yellow) at 1000-sheet capacity cost $82 apiece, and
2500-sheet black cartridge is $105, so not cheap on its consumables
except that I print so little that I'd have to wonder what is the
lifetime for these cartridges once opened and installed. I've seen
4-packs (black, 3 color) selling for $100 but they're listed as
"compatible", not genuine.
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Old October 10th 18, 02:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/10/2018 02:13 AM, VanguardLH wrote:

[snip]

I've seen
4-packs (black, 3 color) selling for $100 but they're listed as
"compatible", not genuine.


The last time I tried "compatibles", the black cartridge was not
recognized by the (Brother) printer. The others leaked toner badly.

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Old October 10th 18, 03:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
The last time I tried "compatibles", the black cartridge was not
recognized by the (Brother) printer. The others leaked toner badly.


Your want "generic" not "remanufactured". Generic have new parts and
more likely not to have issues.

For my HP made mistake of getting "remanufactured" and had yellow
cartridge that was not recognized. Don't throw it out. I bought a $2
replacement chip and it now works flawlessly.

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Old October 10th 18, 04:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/10/2018 9:28 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote:
The last time I tried "compatibles", the black cartridge was not
recognized by the (Brother) printer. The others leaked toner badly.


Your want "generic" not "remanufactured". Generic have new parts and
more likely not to have issues.

For my HP made mistake of getting "remanufactured" and had yellow
cartridge that was not recognized. Don't throw it out. I bought a $2
replacement chip and it now works flawlessly.


I gave up on inkjets 11 years ago, Was tired of buying the most
expensive fluid on earth in small cartridges.
I really didn't need Photo quality as I send any photos to an outside
source which is very seldom anyway.
I carefully shopped all the higher quality brands and got 8x10 samples
of the same photo and compared them which led me to choose an Okidata
c5150n led laser printer, Not cheap at the time, $675.00 CDN
The OEM toner carts are very expensive $174.00 CDN each or $696.00 for
a set of 4 CMYK.
So I did a lot of searching and pricing on the net and Found a company
that sold A set of 4 NEW CMYK 5000 page carts made by Media Science For
$135.00 CDN. in 11 years I have never had a problem with these carts,
Also in that time I have only had 2 or 3 minor paper jams.
Needless to say I have been using them ever since, A set lasts me 2 to 3
years.
So you see I wouldn't trade that OKI c5150n printer for a store-full of
inkjets.

Rene

 




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