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  #1  
Old October 4th 18, 07:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates,
so check you status if you use System Restore.
Buffalo

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  #2  
Old October 4th 18, 08:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point


"Buffalo" wrote in message news
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other
updates, so check you status if you use System Restore.


A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier major
releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous o/s
version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no longer capable(for
use) restore points.

Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore.


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  #3  
Old October 4th 18, 08:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

....w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

"Buffalo" wrote in message news
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other
updates, so check you status if you use System Restore.


A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier major
releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous o/s
version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no longer capable(for
use) restore points.

Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore.


Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS
needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's
done.

Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still...
  #4  
Old October 5th 18, 05:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ[_2_]
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

Frank Slootweg wrote:
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

"Buffalo" wrote in message news
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other
updates, so check you status if you use System Restore.


A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier major
releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous o/s
version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no longer capable(for
use) restore points.

Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore.


Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS
needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's
done.

Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still...


Never said it should or shouldn't mess with user desired settings.

What does 'Nope' in your response apply to? If neither of the two points I
made, then apparently nothing.
Previous SR points are useless b/c cant' restore to a previous major o/s?
- Keep in mind, even though this is Win10, SR points in W7 and earlier
couldn't restore a previous o/s or even to a pre-Service Pack condition.
- The need for end-users to re-enable SR if desired.

What users want isn't the current state and most likely will never be.


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  #5  
Old October 5th 18, 02:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 00:30:41 -0400, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
wrote:

What users want isn't the current state and most likely will never be.


That pretty much sums up why I don't use Windows 10 for anything
important and likely never will.

I have a couple of Win10 VMs that run for no real reason other than for
me to watch in amusement as they self-update.

  #6  
Old October 5th 18, 02:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

....w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

"Buffalo" wrote in message news
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other
updates, so check you status if you use System Restore.

A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier
major releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous
o/s version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no
longer capable(for use) restore points.

Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore.


Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS
needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's
done.

Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still...


Never said it should or shouldn't mess with user desired settings.

What does 'Nope' in your response apply to? If neither of the two points I
made, then apparently nothing.
Previous SR points are useless b/c cant' restore to a previous major o/s?
- Keep in mind, even though this is Win10, SR points in W7 and earlier
couldn't restore a previous o/s or even to a pre-Service Pack condition.
- The need for end-users to re-enable SR if desired.


Unless Buffalo was wrong/unclear, SR was on before the update. He said
it was off after the update, so something changed it.

As you said, the update process had to turn it off, so after the
update it should have turned it back on, but it didn't.

So my "Nope." was in response to your "Thus the need, if desired, for
the end-user to re-enable System Restore.". The user already *had*
specified his 'desire' *before* the update, so there should be no need
to do it *again*.

What users want isn't the current state and most likely will never be.


It's not about what users *want*, but what the user has *set*. If a
user setting can be changed at will, then don't make it a user setting.
  #7  
Old October 5th 18, 04:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ[_2_]
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

Frank Slootweg wrote:
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

"Buffalo" wrote in message news
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other
updates, so check you status if you use System Restore.

A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier
major releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous
o/s version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no
longer capable(for use) restore points.

Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore.

Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS
needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's
done.

Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still...


Never said it should or shouldn't mess with user desired settings.

What does 'Nope' in your response apply to? If neither of the two points I
made, then apparently nothing.
Previous SR points are useless b/c cant' restore to a previous major o/s?
- Keep in mind, even though this is Win10, SR points in W7 and earlier
couldn't restore a previous o/s or even to a pre-Service Pack condition.

  #8  
Old October 5th 18, 06:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

....w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
[...]

Still doesn't negate the truth of my statement that if the user wants SR
enabled, after a major build update turns it off, the user needs to
re-enable it.

Whether we like it or not....what it should do, doesn't happen.
After 3 yrs of Win10 doing the same(turning SR off) on major build updates
and multiple requests(public, private, Insiders, Feedback) on what it
'should do' the current state(off) remains the same.


OK. Thanks for your clarification. Buffalo's post seemed to imply that
this was a new thing/problem with *this* update. Apparently it's not.

Anyway, as mentioned in another thread, this (SR issue) is the least
of the problems with this update.

I'll continue to stay away from 10 for the moment and probably as long
as possible/practible.
  #9  
Old October 5th 18, 11:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 11:25:35 -0400, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
wrote:

Frank Slootweg wrote:
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

"Buffalo" wrote in message news
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other
updates, so check you status if you use System Restore.

A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier
major releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous
o/s version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no
longer capable(for use) restore points.

Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore.

Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS
needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's
done.

Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still...

Never said it should or shouldn't mess with user desired settings.

What does 'Nope' in your response apply to? If neither of the two points I
made, then apparently nothing.
Previous SR points are useless b/c cant' restore to a previous major o/s?
- Keep in mind, even though this is Win10, SR points in W7 and earlier
couldn't restore a previous o/s or even to a pre-Service Pack condition.
- The need for end-users to re-enable SR if desired.


Unless Buffalo was wrong/unclear, SR was on before the update. He said
it was off after the update, so something changed it.

As you said, the update process had to turn it off, so after the
update it should have turned it back on, but it didn't.

So my "Nope." was in response to your "Thus the need, if desired, for
the end-user to re-enable System Restore.". The user already *had*
specified his 'desire' *before* the update, so there should be no need
to do it *again*.

What users want isn't the current state and most likely will never be.


It's not about what users *want*, but what the user has *set*. If a
user setting can be changed at will, then don't make it a user setting.

Still doesn't negate the truth of my statement that if the user wants SR
enabled, after a major build update turns it off, the user needs to
re-enable it.

Whether we like it or not....what it should do, doesn't happen.
After 3 yrs of Win10 doing the same(turning SR off) on major build updates
and multiple requests(public, private, Insiders, Feedback) on what it
'should do' the current state(off) remains the same.


My advice has always been to turn System Restore off on all volumes. It
looks like Microsoft just might agree with me if they keep turning it
off. ;-)


  #10  
Old October 6th 18, 06:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

Buffalo wrote:
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other
updates, so check you status if you use System Restore.
Buffalo


I just did the 1809, and this is my result.

https://i.postimg.cc/d3y8rHNY/system...ed_17763_1.gif

I don't normally set the disk space to that high
a value for SR, so cannot say whether some software
used its imagination or what happened. My normal
setting would be in the 3GB range perhaps.

Paul
  #11  
Old October 6th 18, 01:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

Char Jackson wrote:
[...]

My advice has always been to turn System Restore off on all volumes. It
looks like Microsoft just might agree with me if they keep turning it
off. ;-)


Where's the fun it that!? Why ruin a prevent opportunity to corrupt
your system by doing a System Restore!?
  #12  
Old October 7th 18, 12:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point



"Paul" wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other
updates, so check you status if you use System Restore.
Buffalo


I just did the 1809, and this is my result.

https://i.postimg.cc/d3y8rHNY/system...ed_17763_1.gif

I don't normally set the disk space to that high
a value for SR, so cannot say whether some software
used its imagination or what happened. My normal
setting would be in the 3GB range perhaps.

Paul

My System Restore was turned off after the update to 1809 but it was ON
before the update.
I just mentioned it because others that want System Restore ON might not
notice that it was turned off BY that update, that's all.
Buffalo

  #13  
Old October 7th 18, 04:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point

Buffalo wrote:


"Paul" wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected
as being ON for Restore.
I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other
updates, so check you status if you use System Restore.
Buffalo


I just did the 1809, and this is my result.

https://i.postimg.cc/d3y8rHNY/system...ed_17763_1.gif

I don't normally set the disk space to that high
a value for SR, so cannot say whether some software
used its imagination or what happened. My normal
setting would be in the 3GB range perhaps.

Paul

My System Restore was turned off after the update to 1809 but it was ON
before the update.
I just mentioned it because others that want System Restore ON might not
notice that it was turned off BY that update, that's all.
Buffalo


What I would have expected from Microsoft, is to turn them all OFF.

I'm more surprised to find my SR is ON. That's an unexpected result.

Paul

 




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