uncle bills dollar

"Donald Link" wrote in message:
Hey we all have our opinions about Microsoft some good, some bad but
there is a general feeling that they brought computing for
individuals into the economical and usability realms. They are not
perfect and getting to be less so everyday, but chill out. Life is
to short to worry about 35 minutes. Try to get some decent help at
your local computer store. Ask 5 people and you get 5 different
answers.

asr wrote:
point is, I bought and paid for my copy of xp. Not sure if there was a
disclaimer on the package, maybe I didnt see it saying that Bill
still has control over my use of it by turning it off when he feels I
am not following his rules. I don't register my software, and
shouldnt have to. Why the hell do I have to Keep reactivating my,
that's MY copy of XP.

Then you did not read the EULA.

Start - RUN
type in:

winver

Click OK.

When "About Windows" comes up, click on "End-User License Agreement".

Some parts that might interest you in this argument:

snip

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
this EULA:

* Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the Product on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
("Workstation Computer").

/snip

Notice it gives you the right to "Install and Use" - No where does it say
you OWN said product. You paid for the USE of said product.

snip

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
this EULA:

* Mandatory Activation. The license rights granted under this
EULA are limited to the first thirty (30) days after
you first install the Product unless you supply
information required to activate your licensed copy in
the manner described during the setup sequence of the
Product. You can activate the Product through the use
of the Internet or telephone; toll charges may apply.
You may also need to reactivate the Product if you modify
your computer hardware or alter the Product. There are
technological measures in this Product that are designed
to prevent unlicensed or illegal use of the Product.
You agree that we may use those measures.

/snip

This part pretty well covers the situation you were in when you first
complained. You agreed to it. Whether you read it or not, that was your
decision - but you did agree to it when you installed and/or activated the
first time. Just like any legal document, your signature(clicking the I
Agree button) is the part that makes that so.

snip

6. TERMINATION. Without prejudice to any other rights, Microsoft
may cancel this EULA if you do not abide by the terms and
conditions of this EULA, in which case you must destroy all
copies of the Product and all of its component parts.

/snip

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but pretty much this says to me that *if*
Microsoft decides you are using the software in a way not allowed in this
EULA, then they can cancel it and enforce your non-use of the product - for
which you should destroy all copies, uninstall, etc.

I'm not arguing for or against the EULA. Whether it is right or wrong, I
will not say. I've done what I need to do to use Windows XP in the ways I
want to. Period. The facts are that you agreed to what you read above and
much more. You did this when you installed. You did this when you
activated. If you don;t want to do this again, then erase and start over
and don't agree or change enough hardware where the hardware change section
applies and you have to reactivate, then just don't activate. The choice is
yours.. Sure, unless you act against the EULA in some "hacker/cracker"
way - you'll not be using Windows any longer, but you have then done
something other than complain. Point in fact, even if you went the
"hacker/cracker" way, you have done something other than complain.

Do what you want to do, but if you are going to complain about something, at
least know what you agreed to before you complain. In your original
complaint, you were angry that you had to reactivate. You agreed to it by
clicking on the "I Agree" text:

snip
You may also need to reactivate the Product if you modify
your computer hardware or alter the Product. There are
technological measures in this Product that are designed
to prevent unlicensed or illegal use of the Product.
You agree that we may use those measures.
/snip

I am sorry if you did not know it, but I am pretty sure you had to click "I
Agree" or some similar phrasing somewhere when activating/installing/etc...

And your other point:

"point is, I bought and paid for my copy of xp."

No - you paid for the installtion and use rights. The software does not
belong to you. Matter of fact, after reading the EULA, I am thinking it is
more like a lease with a one-time payment. Weird. But there.

Hell, the whole wording of the EULA is scary. No SANE individual would
normally agree to that thing!
But.. We did. We are all carzy - or we have found ways around it.

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
How to use XPs Help and Support
http://tinyurl.com/fltf

How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
http://tinyurl.com/fkja

How do I go about posting an informative question?
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to use Google
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
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Shenan T. Stanley wrote:

[snip eula and huge, idiotic sig]

LOL - you're a ****ing peanut.

--
There is no end to human stupidity.
http://kadaitcha.kicks-ass.org:83

I apologize for the mispellings and messed up words on the previous message.

I hope others can excuse the rapid-typing effect and take the message for
its MEANING and not its mistakes. If anything does not make sense because
of said mistakes, please notify me, and I will rectify the situation
immediately.

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
How to use XPs Help and Support
http://tinyurl.com/fltf

How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
http://tinyurl.com/fkja

How do I go about posting an informative question?
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to use Google
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
-------------------------

Kadaitcha Man wrote:
Shenan T. Stanley wrote:

[snip eula and huge, idiotic sig]

LOL - you're a ****ing peanut.

Hey! Look! I got Kadaitcha Man's attention too!
Now this should get a bit more interesting.

'Cuz no one is more knowledgable, friendly, outgoing and just so damn smooth
in clown makeup!

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
How to use XPs Help and Support
http://tinyurl.com/fltf

How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
http://tinyurl.com/fkja

How do I go about posting an informative question?
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to use Google
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
-------------------------

Shenan T. Stanley wrote:
I apologize for the mispellings and messed up words on the previous
message.

I hope others can excuse the rapid-typing effect and take the message
for its MEANING and not its mistakes. If anything does not make
sense because of said mistakes, please notify me, and I will rectify
the situation immediately.

LOL - you're an officious ****wit too.

--
There is no end to human stupidity.
http://kadaitcha.kicks-ass.org:83

Shenan T. Stanley wrote:

'Cuz no one is more knowledgable, friendly, outgoing and just so damn
smooth in clown makeup!

Whatever turns you on.

--
There is no end to human stupidity.
http://kadaitcha.kicks-ass.org:83

I wouldn't worry about a couple of spelling errors. Your message hit the
nail right on the head.
I've called Microsoft a lot worse things than asr did, and nearly
regurgitated when I read the EULA
after I had opened the package and began the install. Bill wouldn't dare
print that on the outside of
the package! I'm also very upset with OEM sales by other than equipment
manufacturers. Bill insists
that OEM's must furnish the first line of defense (support), and many
resellers have no intention of
providing anything at all. I doubt if retail buyers are much better off
than I, after trying to negotiate
the Microsoft site in the last couple of months. I'm sure they, as I did,
found the best way to get help
is from folks like you. Thanks for keeping your cool and still calling a
spade a spade.

Stan

"Shenan T. Stanley" wrote in message
...
I apologize for the mispellings and messed up words on the previous
message.

I hope others can excuse the rapid-typing effect and take the message for
its MEANING and not its mistakes. If anything does not make sense because
of said mistakes, please notify me, and I will rectify the situation
immediately.

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
How to use XPs Help and Support
http://tinyurl.com/fltf

How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
http://tinyurl.com/fkja

How do I go about posting an informative question?
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to use Google
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
-------------------------

--
Herb Winston AMA 50438
Bonita Springs, FL

"He may look like an idiot,
and he may sound like an idiot,
but don't let him fool you.
He really is an idiot."

Mark Twain
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote in message
news:t9qXZn1OkQJf2C3D6E575yRW2MqPb0kI@waterforheal th.com...
Shenan T. Stanley wrote:

[snip eula and huge, idiotic sig]

LOL - you're a ****ing peanut.

--
There is no end to human stupidity.
http://kadaitcha.kicks-ass.org:83

Hoo Sed itt Waz ? U rim-bulb

"Kadaitcha Man" wrote in message
...
asr wrote:
point is, I bought and paid for my copy of xp. Not sure if there was a
disclaimer on the package, maybe I didnt see it saying that Bill
still has control over my use of it by turning it off when he feels I
am not following his rules. I don't register my software, and
shouldnt have to. Why the hell do I have to Keep reactivating my,
that's MY copy of XP.

Activation is not registration, you dimbulb. Go here and learn:
http://kadaitcha.ath.cx/articles/activation.aspx

--
There is no end to human stupidity.
http://kadaitcha.kicks-ass.org:83

arse wrote:
Hoo Sed itt Waz ? U rim-bulb

Can you do that again? Only in English this time.

--
There is no end to human stupidity.
http://kadaitcha.kicks-ass.org:83

on Sun, 20 Jul 2003, asr wrote:

The only decent software MS puts out, they purchased from another
company,

"The day micro$oft puts out something that doesn't suck will be the day
they introduce a line of vacuum cleaners." -stolen from someone...

Well, you could try Linux, but I see you seem to be upset over 35 minutes.
Installing a peripheral on Linux (such as a dvd player), or a new
program without the aid of rpm, etc etc will tie up a hellva lot more
time than 35 minutes (and that's providing you found a compatible driver).
Lets face it, Linux isn't for the faint of heart.

Windows products: In addition to the programming I do on Linux, I use
win2k for graphic stuff and admittedly, ease of use, and the stability. I
think it is rather telling that XP pro is supposed to replace win2000 pro
but yet is offered at a cheaper price than win2000. Go figure. However,
someday I will either have to, or just want to; upgrade. I'm looking real
hard at Mac's OS X. Mac has always been years ahead of IBM/Intell/M$.

Just my 2c

-Markus
remove 4u to reply

Markus wrote:
"The day micro$oft puts out something that doesn't suck will be the
day they introduce a line of vacuum cleaners." -stolen from someone...

Well, you could try Linux, but I see you seem to be upset over 35
minutes. Installing a peripheral on Linux (such as a dvd player), or
a new
program without the aid of rpm, etc etc will tie up a hellva lot more
time than 35 minutes (and that's providing you found a compatible
driver). Lets face it, Linux isn't for the faint of heart.

Windows products: In addition to the programming I do on Linux, I use
win2k for graphic stuff and admittedly, ease of use, and the
stability. I think it is rather telling that XP pro is supposed to
replace win2000 pro but yet is offered at a cheaper price than
win2000. Go figure. However, someday I will either have to, or just
want to; upgrade. I'm looking real hard at Mac's OS X. Mac has
always been years ahead of IBM/Intell/M$.

Wow - you are a walking-talking billboard for "Here's something for you
people to argue over, fill in the details". heh

I've used just about every OS out there so far. There was one point when I
actually recommended OS/2 over anything else. Damn it was FAST in the day -
made my games scream anyway. heh

Windows:
I used Windows 95, installed it, tweaked it, etc. While it was an
improvement in at least looks and some functionality over Windows 3.11, I
still say the larger jumps were NT 4.0 and 98. NT 4.0 gave professionals
something while 98 gave the home user something. (Yeah - I skipped NT 3.X
and haven't mentioned 98SE.. Assume that 98SE bleeds into my 98
conversation..) In the end, NT 4.0 was a pain in the rear and 98 was an
insecure playtoy. ME - I mention so the rest of the world can laugh with
me. That was "Just to put something out" I think. After all, look how no
one - even Microsoft - hardly ever mention it. Windows 2000.. That was a
SWEET OS. Strong, Stable and the start of the "World Mixing" between home
and professional, in my opinion. The problem? Home users were still
confused. Too much learning curve. So Microsoft came out with XP. The
complete and final merge between the two - now the road doesn't have forks,
just separate lanes (HOME, TABLET, PROFESSIONAL) and we are all on the same
page. And as long as the professionals get rid of all the pretty things and
tweak up the speed by doing so, it's as good (better) than Windows 2000 to
them. The home users are pleased because "look, I click here and it does
this!". The next version (Longhorn) - Oh good Lord. I have seen the
pre-releases. I am scared. The amount of bells and whistles is
mind-boggling even in comparison to XP. It's a overly tweaked, I downloaded
one of every application and added bloated piece of software right now.
IMHO.

MacOS:
I have to say I have played with MacOS back to only 7.6. Ouch. Anything
until 8.x hurt my head. Then 8.x and 9.x came along. The 9.x's weren't
bad - they could run stuff and were MADE for people who wanted to not have
to do anything to their computer but use it. No power tweaking, no real
customization options, etc. It looks like this, you install this and it
USUALLY works.. Done. The MacOSX. Best of many worlds, but still not 100%
ready for any power-tweaking people. Yeah - you got the BSD background, so
you have something to play with, but there are some things in the GUI that
seem locked. I like OSX. It's a sweet OS too. It does exactly what an OS
should. Works 90% of the time, allows one to play with most of its features
and look and accepts a multitude of applications with little modification.
If OSX cannot turn Macintosh around, then all the pretty outside boxes
(grape, apple, etc and the new cheese-grater look) in the world won't.

*nix:
Wonderful! Fantastic! For Professionals and Power users and those who have
time to play around. Some of the GUIs can be adapted for normal users, but
God help them if something goes awry and you have to get them to repair it.
No longer are they dealing with their familiar GUI. I love *nix products,
but you are not getting me to give it to 99% of the people I deal with on a
daily basis, yet.

Other:
BeOS, Lindows, EROS, DOS, OS/2, etc..

Make your own decision. Noble attempts, waste of time, still has a chance,
cool to keep somewhere as a timeline demonstration?

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"

Shenan T. Stanley wrote:

There was one point
when I actually recommended OS/2 over anything else.

And there you have it. You're an idiot.

--
There is no end to human stupidity.
http://kadaitcha.kicks-ass.org:83

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:50:09 GMT, Markus

Mac has always been years ahead of IBM/Intell/M$.

Pity about the hardware monopoly. Like Bill Clinton vs. Pol Pot.



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Hmmm... what was the *other* idea?
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then stfu and use linux, pft

"asr" wrote in message
news
had to activate xp once again because i installed a DVD player. After
going thru all the usual bull**** with can't connect to server, listening
to
a ****en bitch computer voice take my 12004 numbers and tell me its wrong,
then getting xfered to a person finally, we got it activated.... 35 min
lost
again, every time i change the hardware.....Customer service told me MY
Computer was not smart enough to reconize that it was just a hardware
change......lol .....****en assholes!!!! cant believe they tell them to
say
that ....how bout they say "Our ****en software ain't smart enough
to.....",
and uncle bill is afraid you are stealing money from his ****en drizzling
**** pockets.

Plus, this time I only had 3 days to activate........ then ....I guess I
would need to speak to GOD in order to start using the PC again, if its
allowed at all!

The only decent software MS puts out, they purchased from another company,
or the company was purchased, taken over or flattened. Why don't they
make
the worlds computers "smart enough" to reconize a hardware change.....
****en assholes.