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As another also said, uninstall your anti-virus and spyware
apps, they can interfere with OS installs. -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... | If you follow the directions and uninstall extraneous | hardware, so Windows doesn't have to work around them, set | the BIOS to boot from the CD and then do your swap of the | mobo and CPU and boot from the CD, your only likely error is | to do a clean install as a dual boot. Be sure to follow the | instruction Bruce listed and read the instructions on screen | when the CD boots. Do it right and I'd say your odds at 95% | success. Be sure to have reliable power [ UPS ] if you can. | If you can afford it, why not buy a new hard drive and do a | clean install, gain more storage and avoid the hassle. The | your old drive becomes your slave and backup. | | | | -- | The people think the Constitution protects their rights; | But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. | some support | http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm | See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. | | | "Irv" wrote in message | ... || My question would be what are the chances of success? || I am doing an upgrade to me system with an upgraded MB and | Dual COre || processor. It is a retail version of winxp sp2 || || "Bruce Chambers" wrote: || || Irv wrote: || I am getting ready to replace my MB and Processor. I | have read the article || from MS ID#824125. || What I am trying to do is repalce these items and not | touch the hard drive. || I do not want to reinstall WinXP SP2 as I want to wait | until Vista is || released and then do a complete reinstall. Has anyone | used this procedure || with any luck? Any suggestions are welcome. || Thanks || || || Normally, and assuming a retail license (many | factory-installed OEM || installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and | therefore are || *not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours | before starting), || unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same | chipset, same || IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on | which the WinXP || installation was originally performed, you'll need to | perform a repair || (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very | least: || || How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP || | http://support.microsoft.com/directo...;EN-US;Q315341 || || Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with WinXP | Installed || http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html || || The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing | to do with || licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical | matter, at this point. || You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from | under the OS. (If || you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it | as picking up a || Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a | Ranch style || foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like | Win2K before it, || is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to | accepting any || old hardware configuration you throw at it. On | installation it || "tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This | is one of the || reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much | more stable || than the Win9x group. || || As always when undertaking such a significant | change, back up any || important data before starting. || || This will also probably require re-activation, | unless you have a || Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's | been more than || 120 days since you last activated that specific Product | Key, you'll most || likely be able to activate via the Internet without | problem. If it's || been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call. || || || || -- || || Bruce Chambers || || Help us help you: || http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm || http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html || || They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a | little temporary || safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin | Franklin || || Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most | do. -Bertrand Russell || | | |
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Bruce, you are dead on with your explanation. I have done that exactly three times with NO problems except for copying down the correct string of numbers when I had to reactivate once by 'phone - my problem, not the procedure's. I really don't understand why some insist that it is impossible to do what the OP wants to. "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Irv wrote: I am getting ready to replace my MB and Processor. I have read the article from MS ID#824125. What I am trying to do is repalce these items and not touch the hard drive. I do not want to reinstall WinXP SP2 as I want to wait until Vista is released and then do a complete reinstall. Has anyone used this procedure with any luck? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and therefore are *not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before starting), unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same chipset, same IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on which the WinXP installation was originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least: How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/directo...;EN-US;Q315341 Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with WinXP Installed http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this point. You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the OS. (If you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as picking up a Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch style foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K before it, is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to accepting any old hardware configuration you throw at it. On installation it "tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This is one of the reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much more stable than the Win9x group. As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any important data before starting. This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more than 120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Because they have no clue, or they tried it and failed because they didn't
know what they were doing. "Jack Gillis" wrote in message ... I really don't understand why some insist that it is impossible to do what the OP wants to. |
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The whole issue with this is the motherboard chipset, specifically the hard
drive controllers. If they are fairly similar a repair install likely won't be needed, but when switching chipsets altogether it would be. I came up with an easy way around this however. "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and therefore are *not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before starting), unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same chipset, same IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on which the WinXP installation was originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least: |
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XP activation will see a new mobo and CPU and refuse to boot
until it is reinstalled and activated, If I understand what items are seen by XP as being identified. "Dave B." wrote in message ... | The whole issue with this is the motherboard chipset, specifically the hard | drive controllers. If they are fairly similar a repair install likely won't | be needed, but when switching chipsets altogether it would be. I came up | with an easy way around this however. | | "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message | ... | | Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM | installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and therefore are | *not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before starting), | unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same chipset, same IDE | controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on which the WinXP | installation was originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair | (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least: | | | |
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"Hertz_Donut" wrote:
Your only option is wait until Vista ships. There is no way to replace the motherboard and the processor and *NOT* have to do a clean install. That is totally wrong. Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006) On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca Syberfix Remote Computer Repair "Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference has never been in bed with a mosquito." |
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Irv wrote:
I am getting ready to replace my MB and Processor. I have read the article from MS ID#824125. What I am trying to do is repalce these items and not touch the hard drive. I do not want to reinstall WinXP SP2 as I want to wait until Vista is released and then do a complete reinstall. Has anyone used this procedure with any luck? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks Bruce Chambers and Jim Macklin have given you the correct answers. The possible clanger would be if your installed Windows XP is a "BIOS Locked" OEM version. To determine if your installed Windows XP is an OEM version open Control Panel - System - General and look at the 25 character product ID value reported on the last line of the "Licensed to:" section. If the second segment of the Product ID reads OEM then your installed Windows XP is an OEM version. To determine if your installed OEM version of Windows XP is BIOS Locked look on the Start Menu in the Accessories - System Tools section for an "Activate Windows" item. If there is no "Activate Windows" entry then your installed OEM version of Windows XP is BIOS Locked and you cannot replace the motherboard unless the new board is also from the same OEM as the original computer. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006) On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca Syberfix Remote Computer Repair "Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference has never been in bed with a mosquito." |
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It will not "refuse to boot until it is reinstalled", it may require
reactivation if it gets to that point, but a reinstall is NOT required. "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... XP activation will see a new mobo and CPU and refuse to boot until it is reinstalled and activated, If I understand what items are seen by XP as being identified. |
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"Hertz_Donut" wrote in message
... "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Hertz_Donut wrote: Your only option is wait until Vista ships. There is no way to replace the motherboard and the processor and *NOT* have to do a clean install. Bobby Liar. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell Feeling a bit snippy? Generally, a new MB and a new processor don't do well with in-place re-install...I have never seen one that went well, and didn't leave a ton of useless baggage behind in the install. It is better, when *both* the MB and processor are being replaced, to do a clean install. Less headaches in the long run. Had it been one *OR* the other, and in-place is usually okay. Bobby That's the only vestige of truth I've read from either camps regarding a new mobo AND cpu install so far. Kinda like politics. Opposing parties not recognizing the truth in either camp. I'm outta here. -- Jonny |
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Irv wrote:
My question would be what are the chances of success? I am doing an upgrade to me system with an upgraded MB and Dual COre processor. It is a retail version of winxp sp2 If you follow the instructions provided, your chances of success are excellent. Only in very rare cases will a complete, clean installation be necessary. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Hertz_Donut wrote:
Feeling a bit snippy? Not at all. Just calling a spade a spade. Generally, a new MB and a new processor don't do well with in-place re-install... That's completely false. Only very, very rarely will there be a problem. (Based on years of supporting hundreds of different makes and model computers, and having performed countless motherboard changes.) I have never seen one that went well, and didn't leave a ton of useless baggage behind in the install. Then you've either performed very few such operations, and were working with a badly corrupted original installation. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Jim Macklin wrote:
How was my answer Bruce. Your approach (removing "add-in cards" and not reinstalling them until after the repair) seems a bit over-cautious to me, as well as being a bit more labor intensive than necessary. Remember, the device drivers for those "add-ins" are already installed; doing it your way, the OS repair might remove or disable those drivers, requiring their reinstallation. Otherwise, though, your advice is spot on. Who are these trolls who lie to people. Must be newbies of some sort; no experienced professional would spout their tripe. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Generally, a new MB and a new processor don't do well with in-place re-install... That's completely false. Only very, very rarely will there be a problem. (Based on years of supporting hundreds of different makes and model computers, and having performed countless motherboard changes.) I've tried this maybe five or six times, and it only worked when the new mobo had the same chipset. In the cases where it didn't work, the boot failure was a black screen, then a blue screen, then a reboot. I also did it several times with Win 2k, and it never worked there...but 9x didn't seem to care what drive image I used. I'm really curious about your procedure, Bruce....I could use that success rate. Hmmm...we often kill off the dll driver cache in our images, could that be part of the issue? -John O |
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JohnO wrote:
care what drive image I used. I'm really curious about your procedure, Bruce....I could use that success rate. Hmmm...we often kill off the dll driver cache in our images, could that be part of the issue? -John O If you're using partition images, the hardware does need to be virtually identical; and you can't perform a repair installation from a disk image, you need to use a true installation CD. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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