Forgotten login details

On 10/08/2014 01:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 09:35:26 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 10/07/2014 05:10 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:36:20 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 10/07/2014 11:10 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

Mine doesn't display any email address or user information during startup.
It simply displays a Password dialog, similar to previous Windows versions.
Not sure if I did anything to make it behave this way. Seems like it was the
default.


I would restore it if that behaviour just started. If it's always done
that a reset to factory should do it if not.

Why would I want to change from a desired behavior to an undesired behavior?


You said you didn't like what your Windows was revealing. You asked if
you should restore or reset.

It was the OP who asked those things. I'm happy with the fact that my Win 8
system doesn't display any email addresses during login.



It was the Op that the reply was meant for. Same here.


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Caver1

Bill wrote:
In message ,
=?UTF-8?B?Ii4uLndpbnN0b27igKsi?= writes
"...winston0 Bill wrote:
In message , Bill
writes
Philip, Totally OT, but can I ask why your email address contains this
string?
=?UTF-8?B?Ii4uLndpbnN0b27igKsi?=


Ooops. Sorry I must have had a very senior moment.

I, of course, meant to ask Winston, not Philip.


Don't know...it's whatever SeaMonkey chose as default...though I could
have had a senior moment and changed it or forgotten I changed it.

Is this one any better ?

Or this ?

Er, No and no.

The header of my emails includes

Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed

whereas yours is

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

I'm not sure whether my email client should handle UTF8. I have asked on
a relevant newsgroup.

Maybe its a SeaMonkey thing...hopefully someone will find the time to
tell me what needs to be changed in SeaMonkey (or if its a bug yet to be
resolved). If not, I could always revert to my other client I use for
a private html, top posting, attachment permitted, no one cares what
client is in use newsgroup.


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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Caver1 wrote:
On 10/07/2014 05:38 PM, "...winston‫" wrote:
Philip Herlihy wrote:
Someone's just asked for my help getting into their new W8 laptop.
Apparently it was set up with a new Microsoft account as the only user
account, and he's lost the bit of paper with that (new!) email address
on it, although he can remember the password. I've solved similar
problems on earlier versions of Windows, but not Windows 8 before.
Apparently if necessary the machine can be restored as there's no user
data on it yet. Any pointers?


Hi Phillip,
Quite a few responses and some not apparently using Win8x with a MSFT
account logon or multiple logon accounts (one MSFT and one Local)

On Win8x..
The Welcome screen will show the configured account picture and the
logon name with a clickable icon for all accounts.

Once the icon is clicked:
- A Microsoft account will show the MSFT account email address **and**
the respective logon name and a dialog box to enter the password
- A local account will only show the logon name (no email address or
MSFT account is associated) and a dialog box to enter the password


My wife's 8.1 had a Microsoft account and never showed the email address
just the user name.


Upload a pic to a free pic storage server of the password entry screen
(not the Welcome screen). Ensure you edit the pic in advance and xxx-out
her username, then reply with a link to that picture.

Fyi....all MSFT accounts have OneDrive which can be used to upload a
pic, and provide a link in short format...the link can be private (you),
public (everyone) or limited ('only those who have the link' or 'only
those who have the link and can sign on with a MSFT accoun't)



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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Big Al wrote:

http://www.howtogeek.com/96805/how-t...an-install-cd/

This worked for me.
But I take no responsibility for lost data, in other words, try at your
own risk.

Hi Al

The op friend's system is Windows 8x. The article you referenced states
the following:
qp
Note: this should work on all versions of Windows, but if you are
running Windows 8 or 8.1 and also using a Microsoft Account to login to
your computer,****** you’ll need to reset your Microsoft Account
password using a web browser on their web site****.
/qp

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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Paul wrote:
Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article om,
says...
Big Al wrote on 10/7/2014 11:47 AM:
Philip Herlihy wrote on 10/7/2014 7:28 AM:
Someone's just asked for my help getting into their new W8 laptop.
Apparently it was set up with a new Microsoft account as the only user
account, and he's lost the bit of paper with that (new!) email address
on it, although he can remember the password. I've solved similar
problems on earlier versions of Windows, but not Windows 8 before.
Apparently if necessary the machine can be restored as there's no user
data on it yet. Any pointers?


I have looked high and low but still haven't found the answer but a
friend of mine had Vista and lost all of his passwords except his
daughters non-admin login. (Some good that does).
But I found a utility that would wipe all or selected passwords
out. It
was basically a linux boot disk and it booted right to the
utility. It
did a great job, easy to use and then he could log in with no password
and go into control panel - users and set new passwords.

You might want to google in that direction.

If I find it, I WILL post the info. Not saying it will work on
Windows
7+ or not but it did work on Vista. And you might search with
Vista in
mind too. Can't harm!

http://www.howtogeek.com/96805/how-t...an-install-cd/

This worked for me.
But I take no responsibility for lost data, in other words, try at
your own risk.

That looks like it will work - thanks.

Thanks too to other posters, but some have lost sight of the fact that
the password is reputedly known - it's the email account used as the
login id which is forgotten!

I hope the Microsoft accounts get listed in a similar way
to the local ones. I understand you're still supposed to be
able to log in without a network connection. I use only local
accounts here, so can't test this.

And that link is great, as I've never used the Pogostick kit
for a reset experiment. So I'm seeing those menu choices
for the first time. Looks useful.

Paul
qp
Note: this should work on all versions of Windows, but if you are
running Windows 8 or 8.1 and also using a Microsoft Account to login to
your computer, you’ll need to reset your Microsoft Account password
using a web browser on their web site.
/qp

Yes, Win8 does store the MSFT account password in encrypted format
permitting a MSFT account logon on Win8x without an internet connection.



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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Bill expressed precisely :
In message , =?UTF-8?B?Ii4uLndpbnN0b27igKsi?=
writes
"...winston0 Bill wrote:
In message , Bill
writes
Philip, Totally OT, but can I ask why your email address contains this
string?
=?UTF-8?B?Ii4uLndpbnN0b27igKsi?=


Ooops. Sorry I must have had a very senior moment.

I, of course, meant to ask Winston, not Philip.


Don't know...it's whatever SeaMonkey chose as default...though I could
have had a senior moment and changed it or forgotten I changed it.

Is this one any better ?

Or this ?

Er, No and no.

The header of my emails includes

Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed

whereas yours is

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

I'm not sure whether my email client should handle UTF8. I have asked on a
relevant newsgroup.

Something odd I noticed about winston's header or more properly how it
displays here with MesNews. I use custom headers normally and his
header does not display the string you quoted. When I switch to display
full headers then the string appears. Not a problems just something I
had not noticed before.

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Ed Propes

On 2014-10-08, Paul wrote:
Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article om,
says...
Big Al wrote on 10/7/2014 11:47 AM:
Philip Herlihy wrote on 10/7/2014 7:28 AM:
Someone's just asked for my help getting into their new W8 laptop.
Apparently it was set up with a new Microsoft account as the only user
account, and he's lost the bit of paper with that (new!) email address
on it, although he can remember the password. I've solved similar
problems on earlier versions of Windows, but not Windows 8 before.
Apparently if necessary the machine can be restored as there's no user
data on it yet. Any pointers?


I have looked high and low but still haven't found the answer but a
friend of mine had Vista and lost all of his passwords except his
daughters non-admin login. (Some good that does).
But I found a utility that would wipe all or selected passwords out. It
was basically a linux boot disk and it booted right to the utility. It
did a great job, easy to use and then he could log in with no password
and go into control panel - users and set new passwords.

You might want to google in that direction.

If I find it, I WILL post the info. Not saying it will work on Windows
7+ or not but it did work on Vista. And you might search with Vista in
mind too. Can't harm!

http://www.howtogeek.com/96805/how-t...an-install-cd/
This worked for me.
But I take no responsibility for lost data, in other words, try at your
own risk.

That looks like it will work - thanks.

Thanks too to other posters, but some have lost sight of the fact that
the password is reputedly known - it's the email account used as the
login id which is forgotten!

I hope the Microsoft accounts get listed in a similar way
to the local ones. I understand you're still supposed to be
able to log in without a network connection. I use only local
accounts here, so can't test this.

And that link is great, as I've never used the Pogostick kit
for a reset experiment. So I'm seeing those menu choices
for the first time. Looks useful.

Paul

When I "switched" from windows account to a local account, there
was a note during the switch that the connection to the m$ account
was "disconnected" after the switch to the different login name. Had
checked that the login name is the new name BUT the the home
directory remained the same as was used in the original install. Most
likely the connection is hidden somewhere like in the registry.

lew wrote:
On 2014-10-08, Paul wrote:
Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article om,
says...
Big Al wrote on 10/7/2014 11:47 AM:
Philip Herlihy wrote on 10/7/2014 7:28 AM:
Someone's just asked for my help getting into their new W8 laptop.
Apparently it was set up with a new Microsoft account as the only user
account, and he's lost the bit of paper with that (new!) email address
on it, although he can remember the password. I've solved similar
problems on earlier versions of Windows, but not Windows 8 before.
Apparently if necessary the machine can be restored as there's no user
data on it yet. Any pointers?


I have looked high and low but still haven't found the answer but a
friend of mine had Vista and lost all of his passwords except his
daughters non-admin login. (Some good that does).
But I found a utility that would wipe all or selected passwords out. It
was basically a linux boot disk and it booted right to the utility. It
did a great job, easy to use and then he could log in with no password
and go into control panel - users and set new passwords.

You might want to google in that direction.

If I find it, I WILL post the info. Not saying it will work on Windows
7+ or not but it did work on Vista. And you might search with Vista in
mind too. Can't harm!

http://www.howtogeek.com/96805/how-t...an-install-cd/
This worked for me.
But I take no responsibility for lost data, in other words, try at your
own risk.

That looks like it will work - thanks.

Thanks too to other posters, but some have lost sight of the fact that
the password is reputedly known - it's the email account used as the
login id which is forgotten!

I hope the Microsoft accounts get listed in a similar way
to the local ones. I understand you're still supposed to be
able to log in without a network connection. I use only local
accounts here, so can't test this.

And that link is great, as I've never used the Pogostick kit
for a reset experiment. So I'm seeing those menu choices
for the first time. Looks useful.

Paul

When I "switched" from windows account to a local account, there
was a note during the switch that the connection to the m$ account
was "disconnected" after the switch to the different login name. Had
checked that the login name is the new name BUT the the home
directory remained the same as was used in the original install. Most
likely the connection is hidden somewhere like in the registry.

?

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 2014-10-09, ...winston??? wrote:
lew wrote:
On 2014-10-08, Paul wrote:
....................................

I hope the Microsoft accounts get listed in a similar way
to the local ones. I understand you're still supposed to be
able to log in without a network connection. I use only local
accounts here, so can't test this.

And that link is great, as I've never used the Pogostick kit
for a reset experiment. So I'm seeing those menu choices
for the first time. Looks useful.

Paul

When I "switched" from windows account to a local account, there
was a note during the switch that the connection to the m$ account
was "disconnected" after the switch to the different login name. Had
checked that the login name is the new name BUT the the home
directory remained the same as was used in the original install. Most
likely the connection is hidden somewhere like in the registry.

?


I did a clean install of win8 using a local account; got 6 or 7
updates; this was where I believe that an update forced an include
to use an microcoft account for further updates. Entered my
microsoft account/password.

Then got to being doing the rest of the updates that amounted to
94 updates. Believe that this is where the m$ account was needed
as I believe that the 94 updates resided at the windows store. When
the updates were completed, the os went from win8 to win8.1.1 or
whatever the "official" id is. Did read sometime back that the
"update 1" had to be retrieved from the windows store....

After some muttering, I checked to see if I can go back to use my
local account. Did a change user stuff; don't remember whether I
did a change the settings on the pc or just the name or account
settings. However, was prompted to enter a user name; entered
the original name that was entered i the install process; got error
msg claiming that the name was already being used by another
account. Changed the name & password; this was where I got
the "disconnect" msg or a prompt to disconnect, which I did.

I believe the process for a local account is mismanaged & should
be more like apple's here the apple-id is still tied to the apple store
underneath but one still has a local user name & password for use
of the computer (my macmini).

Anyway, the id that shows up for the user is my new user name with
admin privileges sortof, since one still run some stuff
"as administrator". The command prompt shows my home directory
with the old user name as entered in the install as in
"c:\users\old-username".

Ed Propes wrote:

Something odd I noticed about winston's header or more properly how it
displays here with MesNews. I use custom headers normally and his header
does not display the string you quoted. When I switch to display full
headers then the string appears. Not a problems just something I had not
noticed before.


Found the SeaMonkey settings - encoding is set to default. Upgraded to
2.29 and still set at default.


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes
Ed Propes wrote:

Something odd I noticed about winston's header or more properly how it
displays here with MesNews. I use custom headers normally and his header
does not display the string you quoted. When I switch to display full
headers then the string appears. Not a problems just something I had not
noticed before.


Found the SeaMonkey settings - encoding is set to default. Upgraded to
2.29 and still set at default.


Winston, I've compared your headers between when it displayed normally
and now, when it doesn't.

Both seem to use UTF-8, which looks as if it should be fine if it uses
"normal" characters which correspond to the usual ascii set.

When it worked, this line read

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/32.0 SeaMonkey/2.29

Now this line reads

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/32.0 SeaMonkey/2.29.1

Does this imply that a newer version of Windows is the culprit?
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Bill

Bill wrote:
In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes
Ed Propes wrote:

Something odd I noticed about winston's header or more properly how it
displays here with MesNews. I use custom headers normally and his header
does not display the string you quoted. When I switch to display full
headers then the string appears. Not a problems just something I had not
noticed before.


Found the SeaMonkey settings - encoding is set to default. Upgraded to
2.29 and still set at default.


Winston, I've compared your headers between when it displayed normally
and now, when it doesn't.

Both seem to use UTF-8, which looks as if it should be fine if it uses
"normal" characters which correspond to the usual ascii set.

When it worked, this line read

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/32.0 SeaMonkey/2.29

Now this line reads

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/32.0 SeaMonkey/2.29.1

Does this imply that a newer version of Windows is the culprit?

Multiple variables in play too. Different pc (laptop instead of
desktop), Win8.1 instead of Win7, and my other isp.

Fyi....I also looked at the headers on a private nntp server and the
From field is void of the characters seen in this group (posted via
Eternal September). I also noticed my last post didn't have as many
extraneous characters after the UTF8 item.



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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

....winston=e2? submitted this idea :
Ed Propes wrote:

Something odd I noticed about winston's header or more properly how it
displays here with MesNews. I use custom headers normally and his header
does not display the string you quoted. When I switch to display full
headers then the string appears. Not a problems just something I had not
noticed before.


Found the SeaMonkey settings - encoding is set to default. Upgraded to 2.29
and still set at default.

Here is what I see when I display full headers, "From:
=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?= "
Here is what I see with custom headers, " ...winston=e2?
"
Personally I'm not bothered by either header.

--
Ed Propes

In message , Ed Propes
writes
...winston=e2? submitted this idea :
Ed Propes wrote:

Something odd I noticed about winston's header or more properly how it
displays here with MesNews. I use custom headers normally and his header
does not display the string you quoted. When I switch to display full
headers then the string appears. Not a problems just something I had not
noticed before.


Found the SeaMonkey settings - encoding is set to default. Upgraded
to 2.29 and still set at default.

Here is what I see when I display full headers, "From:
=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?= "
Here is what I see with custom headers, " ...winston=e2?
"
Personally I'm not bothered by either header.

I'm not bothered by the headers either, but what concerned me was that
it was something I didn't understand and I had seen something similar in
the headers of spam emails***.
I like to understand what is arriving on my machine.

Interestingly, the headers have changed from


From: =?UTF-8?B?Ii4uLndpbnN0b27igKsi?=

which appears to relate to BASE64 encoding on the 8th Oct to

From: =?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=

where the ?Q appears to suggest Quoted/Printable encoding on the 9th.

As is obvious, I don't really understand any of this. My query on
another group has not provided any enlightenment.
Winston: have I your permission to post the above strings to that group?
It is the newsgroup of the Turnpike client that I am running here.



*** I have my ISP's spam filtering turned off at the moment because it
was filtering out logs, emailed by a friend's router, that she asked me
to investigate.


--
Bill

Bill wrote:
In message , Ed Propes
writes
...winston=e2? submitted this idea :
Ed Propes wrote:

Something odd I noticed about winston's header or more properly how it
displays here with MesNews. I use custom headers normally and his
header
does not display the string you quoted. When I switch to display full
headers then the string appears. Not a problems just something I had
not
noticed before.


Found the SeaMonkey settings - encoding is set to default. Upgraded
to 2.29 and still set at default.

Here is what I see when I display full headers, "From:
=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?= "
Here is what I see with custom headers, " ...winston=e2?
"
Personally I'm not bothered by either header.

I'm not bothered by the headers either, but what concerned me was that
it was something I didn't understand and I had seen something similar in
the headers of spam emails***.
I like to understand what is arriving on my machine.

Interestingly, the headers have changed from


From: =?UTF-8?B?Ii4uLndpbnN0b27igKsi?=

which appears to relate to BASE64 encoding on the 8th Oct to

From: =?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=

where the ?Q appears to suggest Quoted/Printable encoding on the 9th.

As is obvious, I don't really understand any of this. My query on
another group has not provided any enlightenment.
Winston: have I your permission to post the above strings to that group?
It is the newsgroup of the Turnpike client that I am running here.



*** I have my ISP's spam filtering turned off at the moment because it
was filtering out logs, emailed by a friend's router, that she asked me
to investigate.


That last post was made with SeaMonkey 2.29.1 on Win8.1 Pro and with the
default encoding set to following:
a. 'Default Character Encoding' - changed to Western (Windows-1252)
instead of UTF-8 the normal default. Also enabled is - 'When possible
use this encoding in replies)
b. Fallback Character Encoding (Message Display) = Default (Iso-8859-1)
c. Composing Messages
- For messages that contain 8bit character use quoted printable MIME =
disabled

As noted earlier on a different nntp server (private) my posts with the
above settings don't show any of the UT8 strings seen on this newsgroup.

Which would seem to mean that something is in play...e.g. newserver or
Win8 or a combination of each but not necessarily globally across
different nttp servers; or some other variable yet to be understood.


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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps