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Gravity newsreader - good anti-troll defences
I'm surprised I still see so many indignant replies to trolls, or even posts
about specific trolls. Trolls just want attention, so any attention feeds them. I use Gravity (http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/). It has a "bozo bin"; when I right-click a post and add the author to the bozo bin, I have it configured so all their posts are marked "read" (and so are not seen) for 365 days. If a reply to a trolling thread appear, if the respondent is particularly annoying they go in the bozo bin too, but in any case tapping 'I' (Ignore) marks the entire thread plus any future replies as read - and so I don't see them. That's really useful. So don't be tempted to encourage these damaged people. See if you have comparable facilities in your own newsreader, or, if not, try Gravity! It's old-school (last stable version 2010!) but it works really well! -- Phil, London |
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Gravity newsreader - good anti-troll defences
On 8/14/2020 4:30 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:
I'm surprised I still see so many indignant replies to trolls, or even posts about specific trolls. Trolls just want attention, so any attention feeds them. Yes! Trolls should be killfiled rather than replied to. As you say, replying feeds them the attention they want. I understand the temptation to reply, and that's one of the reasons they should be killfiled--not seeing the messages removes the temptation. I use Gravity (http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/). It has a "bozo bin"; when I right-click a post and add the author to the bozo bin, I have it configured so all their posts are marked "read" (and so are not seen) for 365 days. Almost every newsreader has killfiling capability, even if it goes by different names in different newsreaders. I use Thunderbird, and its killfiling capability works fine. If a reply to a trolling thread appear, if the respondent is particularly annoying they go in the bozo bin too, Same here. I hate to do that since sometimes the responders' other posts are valuable, but if they don't stop, they get killfiled too. -- Ken |
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Gravity newsreader - good anti-troll defences
Philip,
I use Gravity (http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/). The way you describe it it sounds like a newsgroup reader of which there are 13 in a dozen. Heck, my 20 year old OE6 already does the same. The problem is that its not only the blacklisted persons posts that will draw you in, but also seeing other people reply to them quoting parts of such blacklisted messages. A good addition would be to automatically suppress replies to suppressed (for whatever reason) posts. That way you would not see the blacklisted persons rambing directly or indirectly by responders referring to them and/or quoting parts of such blacklisted posts. I know it works for me. It also does away with the bad choice you have to make when an otherwise helpfull member tries to communicate with such a blacklisted person. He than only gets suppressed in regard to that one thread/branch. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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On 8/14/2020 8:57 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
Philip, I use Gravity (http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/). The way you describe it it sounds like a newsgroup reader of which there are 13 in a dozen. Heck, my 20 year old OE6 already does the same. As I said, they almost all do. The problem is that its not only the blacklisted persons posts that will draw you in, but also seeing other people reply to them quoting parts of such blacklisted messages. Alas, yes. A good addition would be to automatically suppress replies to suppressed (for whatever reason) posts. That way you would not see the blacklisted persons rambing directly or indirectly by responders referring to them and/or quoting parts of such blacklisted posts. Yes, that would be wonderful. I know it works for me. It also does away with the bad choice you have to make when an otherwise helpfull member tries to communicate with such a blacklisted person. He than only gets suppressed in regard to that one thread/branch. Regards, Rudy Wieser -- Ken |
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On 8/14/2020 9:45 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , lable says... A good addition would be to automatically suppress replies to suppressed (for whatever reason) posts. That way you would not see the blacklisted persons rambing directly or indirectly by responders referring to them and/or quoting parts of such blacklisted posts. Thinking through the implications of what you suggest, I think on balance that would be useful. At present I'll occasionally see a troll (or grossly OT) post when someone replies, but the Ignore Thread option means I don't see further replies. The problem with "Ignore thread" is that there might be other messages in the thread that are not replies to the troll, and that you *do* want see. That's why I don't use it -- Ken |
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On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 08:03:04 -0700
Ken Blake wrote: I use Gravity (http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/). It has a "bozo bin"; when I right-click a post and add the author to the bozo bin, I have it configured so all their posts are marked "read" (and so are not seen) for 365 days. Almost every newsreader has killfiling capability, even if it goes by different names in different newsreaders. I use Thunderbird, and its killfiling capability works fine. As far as I know, Thunderbird won't filter on a phrase in the headers, and that's what you need to do if you don't want to see trolls. There are two trolls I don't care to ever see. That would be Good Guy and Arlen Holder. I just filter on mixmin.net in the headers, and they are both gone, and if anyone replies to them, I don't see the replies either, because mixmin.net is picked up in the headers of the one replying. Claws mail is available for Windows 10. I admit it's hard to set up, and learn to use the processing rules, but it's worth it, and it can be made to look like Thunderbird. |
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Ken Blake wrote:
The problem with "Ignore thread" is that there might be other messages in the thread that are not replies to the troll, and that you *do* want see. That's why I don't use it IMO, (which differs from most)... - I don't like the word troll because its meaning has been expanded so far, too far IMO, that the original meaning is lost, and its 'current' too broad meaning is fuzzy/obscure - Perhaps some would have the term mean 'he who posts msg/s I don't like' (to see) - I do agree that people who are easily 'agitated' and who are prone to reply to 'trollish' (by some metric) msg/s in an inflamed and unpleasant way (like the instigating msg) should find some way to stifle themselves which 'invisible-izing' such inciting msg/s would do - a little bit of off-topicality or 'topic drift' is going to happen; some 'flavor' in a technical/help group isn't altogether bad - for many who want to 'filter', it might be sufficient to mark some msg/s as 'read' but not to hide read msg/s; in that manner, some 'read' msg/s might be easily read, depending on the thread's 'context' -- Mike Easter |
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On 14/08/2020 06:09 pm, Johnny wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 08:03:04 -0700 Ken Blake wrote: I use Gravity (http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/). It has a "bozo bin"; when I right-click a post and add the author to the bozo bin, I have it configured so all their posts are marked "read" (and so are not seen) for 365 days. Almost every newsreader has killfiling capability, even if it goes by different names in different newsreaders. I use Thunderbird, and its killfiling capability works fine. As far as I know, Thunderbird won't filter on a phrase in the headers, It can. Message Filters/Message Filters/New Click Subject and choose Customise and that's what you need to do if you don't want to see trolls. There are two trolls I don't care to ever see. That would be Good Guy and Arlen Holder. I just filter on mixmin.net in the headers, and they are both gone, and if anyone replies to them, I don't see the replies either, because mixmin.net is picked up in the headers of the one replying. Claws mail is available for Windows 10. I admit it's hard to set up, and learn to use the processing rules, but it's worth it, and it can be made to look like Thunderbird. -- Chris Elvidge, England |
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On 8/14/2020 10:09 AM, Johnny wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 08:03:04 -0700 Ken Blake wrote: I use Gravity (http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/). It has a "bozo bin"; when I right-click a post and add the author to the bozo bin, I have it configured so all their posts are marked "read" (and so are not seen) for 365 days. Almost every newsreader has killfiling capability, even if it goes by different names in different newsreaders. I use Thunderbird, and its killfiling capability works fine. As far as I know, Thunderbird won't filter on a phrase in the headers, I agree. That's right, as far as I know. and that's what you need to do if you don't want to see trolls. But no, I don't want to do that. As I said in another message, I don't necessarily want to filter the entire thread. The problem is that there might be other messages in the thread that are not replies to the troll, and that I *do* want to see. There are two trolls I don't care to ever see. That would be Good Guy and Arlen Holder. There are many others (some in other newsgroups) whose messages I also never want to see, but those are good examples. They're both killfiled here. Claws mail is available for Windows 10. I admit it's hard to set up, and learn to use the processing rules, but it's worth it, and it can be made to look like Thunderbird. I looked at Claws a few months ago, and decided against using it. I can't remember why. -- Ken |
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On 8/14/2020 10:26 AM, Chris Elvidge wrote:
On 14/08/2020 06:09 pm, Johnny wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 08:03:04 -0700 Ken Blake wrote: I use Gravity (http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/). It has a "bozo bin"; when I right-click a post and add the author to the bozo bin, I have it configured so all their posts are marked "read" (and so are not seen) for 365 days. Almost every newsreader has killfiling capability, even if it goes by different names in different newsreaders. I use Thunderbird, and its killfiling capability works fine. As far as I know, Thunderbird won't filter on a phrase in the headers, It can. Message Filters/Message Filters/New Click Subject and choose Customise You're right. I had forgotten about that when I wrote the reply I just sent. Probably the reason I forgot is because I don't want to do it for the reason I just explained in that other message. -- Ken |
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On 8/14/2020 10:17 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: The problem with "Ignore thread" is that there might be other messages in the thread that are not replies to the troll, and that you *do* want see. That's why I don't use it IMO, (which differs from most)... - I don't like the word troll because its meaning has been expanded so far, too far IMO, that the original meaning is lost, and its 'current' too broad meaning is fuzzy/obscure I agree with you, but I use the word anyway, since I don't know of any other word that would be understood. - Perhaps some would have the term mean 'he who posts msg/s I don't like' (to see) - I do agree that people who are easily 'agitated' and who are prone to reply to 'trollish' (by some metric) msg/s in an inflamed and unpleasant way (like the instigating msg) should find some way to stifle themselves which 'invisible-izing' such inciting msg/s would do - a little bit of off-topicality or 'topic drift' is going to happen; some 'flavor' in a technical/help group isn't altogether bad - for many who want to 'filter', it might be sufficient to mark some msg/s as 'read' but not to hide read msg/s; in that manner, some 'read' msg/s might be easily read, depending on the thread's 'context' I always hide read messages in every newsroup, even those where I have nobody killfiled. I want tosee only those message that are unread. Have them all there, and it would double how long it took me to get through the list. As far as I'm concerned, there's no advantage to showing all the messages; it just clutters up the list. -- Ken |
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Philip,
At present I'll occasionally see a troll (or grossly OT) post when someone replies, but the Ignore Thread option means I don't see further replies. The /whole/ thread ? The pleasant thing about the "ignore replies to ignored posts" is that you can selectivily ignore bad branches of an otherwise good thread. I guess there's a risk of "false positives" when someone adds a comment in the wrong place in the tree - which does happen. :-) As the above method only affects a particular branch of the tree that doesn't happen. Does any newsreader offer this? Offer what ? Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Ken,
A good addition would be to automatically suppress replies to suppressed (for whatever reason) posts. That way you would not see the blacklisted persons rambing directly or indirectly by responders referring to them and/or quoting parts of such blacklisted posts. Yes, that would be wonderful. There are no newsgroup readers that do that ? Amazing. I would think it would be a bit of a no-brainer. But yes, I know. I should have made the changes to enable that behaviour long ago. Than again, normally the dislikable/disruptive posters only lasted for a few short weeks and than faded away. Until rather recently ... Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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