No Linux-based OS can do this.

On 2019-08-31 8:03 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/31/19 3:58 PM, Snit wrote:
Right... and by sharing what we like and hearing what others do we can
learn. One of the things I learned from Mint was I *loved* windows
snapping to each other. At the time macOS did not have it... and when
I was on macOS it annoyed me. Now it has been added but it took Apple
FAR too long. I think there were third party apps to add it, but I
never did.Â*OrÂ*neverÂ*stayedÂ*withÂ*themÂ*ifÂ*IÂ*did.

I do use a third party window manager now (Moom). It is pretty cool in
allowingÂ*meÂ*toÂ*moveÂ*aroundÂ*multipleÂ*windows *atÂ*onceÂ*toÂ*aÂ*pre-setÂ*position.


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My next comment is going to rile Windows fanbois.
Linux is just damned fun to work on. :-)


I don't work on it but it sure is fun to play on. :-)

Rene

In article , Snit
wrote:


But Linux also gives me options macOS does not. When my hard drive died
on my older iMac I *could* have spent money to replace the drive. I did
not. Linux gave me the option to easily use an external drive and use
the machine as my media machine for some time. It was not ideal (the
external drive was small and slow -- a USB thumb drive in fact) but it
worked.

mac os can easily boot from an external hd/ssd, usb stick, cd/dvd or a
network server.



Each has its pros and cons... and I am happy to have choice.

yep.

I have never tested the primary clipboard with Wayland
(replaces X11) as I do not care for weird old gnome.
But unlike Windows and Apple, I have a choice.

On macOS I have plenty of choice... some choices which Linux lacks,
other choices where Linux offers things macOS does not.

yep, and windows too.

no platform is ideal for every situation.

In article , wrote:

If*I*want*a*"multimedia*experience",*I*will*start* a
multimedia*program.**And*when*I*am*tired*of*it,*I* will
exit*the*program.**Don't*pop*crap*up*at*me*whilst* I*am*working!

Not sure what you mean here... most of the animations and the like on
macOS are there for a reason (though there are a few which are just eye
candy).

I don't want anything interrupting me when I am working, such
as the pretty picture of the day or the weather report or
some gosh awful Windows store crappy app/suggestion of the day.

disable it. the choice is yours.

A lot of people love MacOS. Hardly anything goes wrong. Most,
I have to show how to reboot and shutdown their machines and
most annoyingly, how to terminate an program.

no need to do any of that.

I wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for Windows.

that may be good for you, but it's not good for the users.

On 8/31/19 6:20 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-31 8:03 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/31/19 3:58 PM, Snit wrote:
Right... and by sharing what we like and hearing what others do we
can learn. One of the things I learned from Mint was I *loved*
windows snapping to each other. At the time macOS did not have it...
and when I was on macOS it annoyed me. Now it has been added but it
took Apple FAR too long. I think there were third party apps to add
it, but I never did.Â*OrÂ*neverÂ*stayedÂ*withÂ*themÂ*ifÂ*IÂ*did.

I do use a third party window manager now (Moom). It is pretty cool
in
allowingÂ*meÂ*toÂ*moveÂ*aroundÂ*multipleÂ*windows *atÂ*onceÂ*toÂ*aÂ*pre-setÂ*position.


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My next comment is going to rile Windows fanbois.
Linux is just damned fun to work on. :-)


I don't work on it but it sure is fun to play on. :-)

Rene


I have to be careful I don't burn up too much time on it
and ignore the family!

On 8/31/19 6:03 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 3:58 PM, Snit wrote:
Right... and by sharing what we like and hearing what others do we can
learn. One of the things I learned from Mint was I *loved* windows
snapping to each other. At the time macOS did not have it... and when
I was on macOS it annoyed me. Now it has been added but it took Apple
FAR too long. I think there were third party apps to add it, but I
never did.Â*OrÂ*neverÂ*stayedÂ*withÂ*themÂ*ifÂ*IÂ*did.

I do use a third party window manager now (Moom). It is pretty cool in
allowingÂ*meÂ*toÂ*moveÂ*aroundÂ*multipleÂ*windows *atÂ*onceÂ*toÂ*aÂ*pre-setÂ*position.


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My next comment is going to rile Windows fanbois.
Linux is just damned fun to work on.

I fiddle with my macOS system quite a bit:

* Eight button mouse (I hate the Apple mice) Logitech MX518
* Mouse driver so I can have settings per program (USB Overddrive)
* Window manager for all sorts of options (Moom)
* Clipboard manager (CopyLess)
* Text Expander with many "clippings"
* Scripts / System Services I wrote to allow me to:
- Select message IDs and search for them
- Select text and search on one of several dictionaries
- Easily toggle Dark mode (though I rarely use it)
- Toggle menu and dock
- Toggle running-program dock indicators

And that is in addition to the "normal" things which can be easily set
on macOS (icons in dock, time format, colors, etc.). And I am sure I am
leaving some things out (for example program specific things, like
copying all open URLs in a browser window).

For me this can be enjoyable to fiddle with and set, but the real joy
comes from making work more efficient and fitting my needs. For example
another script I just added was to clear out the copied items in
CopyLess -- this way if I show it in a video again I can clear out any
past data (I had a stupid method for the video I showed you, now I have
a better one).

For those who like to fiddle for the sake of fiddling itself, and the
knowledge that comes with it, there is no doubt Linux is absolutely the
system to use of the three generally discussed. It is simply miles ahead
of Windows or macOS. No doubt.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 8/31/19 6:00 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 3:13 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
T wrote:
A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a
terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path
of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a
file manager into my terminal and it types the path'
out for me, typo free!

Just to let you know it does the same in Windows CMD window,

Very cool.

however I
find bash much easier and more powerful than CMD or ugh PowerShell...


Oh my gosh, bash kicks its ass all over the place!Â* Batch
programming is a nightmare.

I, um... tend to use AppleScript.

Yeah... it has some benefits but, really, for most things it just sucks.
But while I have used bash I have used AppleScript more... so I tend to
use that. Badly.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 8/31/19 5:59 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 4:57 PM, Snit wrote:
IfÂ*IÂ*wantÂ*aÂ*"multimediaÂ*experience",Â*IÂ*will Â*startÂ*a
multimediaÂ*program.Â*Â*AndÂ*whenÂ*IÂ*amÂ*tiredÂ*o fÂ*it,Â*IÂ*will
exitÂ*theÂ*program.Â*Â*Don'tÂ*popÂ*crapÂ*upÂ*atÂ*m eÂ*whilstÂ*IÂ*amÂ*working!

Not sure what you mean here... most of the animations and the like on
macOS are there for a reason (though there are a few which are just
eye candy).

I don't want anything interrupting me when I am working, such
as the pretty picture of the day or the weather report or
some gosh awful Windows store crappy app/suggestion of the day.

Ah, yes, the modern Windows Start menu (I do not use Windows much any
more so maybe they have fixed that). When I did use Windows I got
"ClassicMenu" to make that all go away.

A lot of people love MacOS.Â* Hardly anything goes wrong.Â* Most,
I have to show how to reboot and shutdown their machines and
most annoyingly, how to terminate an program.

You often to do not have to... just close the last window and it can run
fine in the background. But, yes, sometimes it needs to be restarted or
whatever and novices might not know to restart from menu or dock.

There is also the issue of installing a program and then having no clue
where to find it. Not a BIG deal, but Apple could improve on that.

I wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for Windows.

That was me for many years.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 8/31/19 5:55 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 3:40 PM, Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-08-31 5:21 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/31/19 12:07 AM, Snit wrote:
T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two
clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my
middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I
would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in
each,
and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard
when I
quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the
program
uses.

What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into
the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text
(primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard,
move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click)
and I only have to go back and forth once.

I can see the benefit of that — a bit more streamlined than what I do
with
a clipboard manager. For example: select paragraph of a news article
then
copy, select URL then move and middle click to get the URL and then
paste
the copied content. Would be easier than jumping back and forth or even
copy, copy, paste, use clipboard manager (though the latter is not much
different).

And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000
times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You
highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click.
Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary
clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking
because you had to right click, find copy , and click,
then right click again, find paste ...

My terminal uses the same hit keys as the rest of my system, but I see
what
you are saying.

And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use
a lot of xterms.

ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless.

I see the benefit with the URL / content example — and similar cases —
but
would not want to give up my middle click for it.

A good clipboard manager gives much the same benefit.

Still, to each their own. Thanks for the example.


Hi Snit,

You are welcome!

The thing about Linux, and its does tend to overwhelm new users,
is that everything is customizable.Â* There are several ways
you can do multiple things.Â* There is no straitjacket
like you get with Windows and especially with Apple.

Only closet Communists like Apple. If they go out of their way to show
that they have the Apple logo on something, they would just as easily go
out of their way to show how they tattooed a hammer and sickle on
themselves or sowed it onto their clothing.


I have heard that said about Linux too.Â* Neither are true.


It is said by people who hate the idea others choose differently. My
main desktop is macOS. Yours is Linux. Which one of us is wrong? NEITHER!

It baffles me how many people do not seem to be able to grasp that.

More than that, it is good to be able to learn from others. Look at the
copy / paste example you gave -- nobody has given me as clear of a
reason why anyone would want two clipboards. I still think my system
works fine for me, but the point is I now get it better than I did before.

It is like learning a second language -- you learn your own better.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

T wrote:
On 8/31/19 3:13 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
T wrote:
A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a
terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path
of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a
file manager into my terminal and it types the path'
out for me, typo free!

Just to let you know it does the same in Windows CMD window,

Very cool.

however I
find bash much easier and more powerful than CMD or ugh PowerShell...


Oh my gosh, bash kicks its ass all over the place! Batch
programming is a nightmare.

This is a lot like a "vi" versus "emacs" discussion.

A lot of it is "Not Invented Here" syndrome.

I find people trained in the craft, can whip up stuff
in no time and get stuff done. There was a guy in the WinXP
group, who if you motivated the guy, he'd whip up a script
for you. He probably does that all day long at work and
it shows.

Everything we do, takes time and learning, and extolling
the virtues of "emacs" because you spent a thousand hours
learning how to play "six finger piano chords" is not
a virtue. Your fluidity with emacs, is a measure of those
thousand hours you wasted.

Since my livelihood does not rely on me doing batch programming,
I can't say any more on the topic. There are bound to be
additional languages you can use for the job. It's an ecosystem.
If one tool sucks, a developer will think of alternatives
and try and sell them. And IT people who need such tools,
will buy them... and become champs.

I just tested in a Command Prompt. I pressed the tab key and
the shell attempted to do tab completion. Even though it got the
"wrong result", it's not like the MSFT people haven't been copying
ideas from elsewhere. And that's probably the first time I've
pressed a tab key in there - see ? Lack of curiosity.
Pure "not giving a damn". That's what does it. Maybe if
I bought the "a thousand and one things you didn't know
about Command Prompt" book, I would have known this. If
it was important to my job, I would have gone to Prospero
and checked to see if a book like that was available.

Paul

Lucifer wrote:

I have a single button Apple 'pod' mouse.
How can I use that?

You can use the shiny plastic to blind an
opponent in a street fight.

You can swing it around your head, like a bola.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/survival...-game-hunting/

You can tie up a kidnapping victim with it
(corded model only).

Paul

In article , Snit
wrote:

A lot of people love MacOS.* Hardly anything goes wrong.* Most,
I have to show how to reboot and shutdown their machines and
most annoyingly, how to terminate an program.

You often to do not have to...

it's also very easy, either press command-q or choose quit from the
file menu.

just close the last window and it can run
fine in the background.

better yet, don't worry about it.

an idle app has little to no adverse effect, and it's much faster to
switch back to an idle app than it is to relaunch it.

But, yes, sometimes it needs to be restarted or
whatever and novices might not know to restart from menu or dock.

rarely does the system need to be restarted, but if so, there's a
restart menu item.

There is also the issue of installing a program and then having no clue
where to find it. Not a BIG deal, but Apple could improve on that.

no such issue.

installed apps are in the applications folder, unless the user put it
somewhere else.

On 8/31/19 7:38 PM, Snit wrote:
IÂ*hateÂ*theÂ*AppleÂ*mice

Apple's keyboards and mice are designed by satan himself!

On 8/31/19 7:48 PM, Paul wrote:
ThisÂ*isÂ*aÂ*lotÂ*likeÂ*aÂ*"vi"Â*versusÂ*"emacs"Â* discussion.

That always starts fights over on the Linux group. Chuckle.

I use Leafpad (simple text editor and lets me save in CD+_LF)

vi (editor from hell) because it know it and it does
somethings better and is really fast.

Geany because it work well over ssh and X11

never learned emacs


When I am having issues which copy and pasting weird
formatting, I will past into Leafpad to drop all the
formatting, then copy and paste from Leafpad to where
I want to go. Like ctrlshiftv when it is not
available

In article , wrote:

Apple's keyboards and mice are designed by satan himself!

then get different ones. anything usb or bluetooth works.

T wrote:
On 8/31/19 7:38 PM, Snit wrote:
I hate the Apple mice

Apple's keyboards and mice are designed by satan himself!

Is that who Jony Ive is ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

I thought he was the God Of Shiny White Plastic.

Paul