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Old May 25th 17, 02:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_17_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?

Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems?

Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Product Name: F2A68HM-H

Many thanks,
Andy
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Old May 25th 17, 08:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
JJ[_11_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?

On Wed, 24 May 2017 18:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote:
Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems?

Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Product Name: F2A68HM-H

Many thanks,
Andy


Doesn't seem so, according to its manual.

This is similar to my MSI motherboard which doesn't have a BIOS setting to
set the keyboard's default NumLock state, even though it still has a PS/2
keyboard port.

So much for "modern" firmware, eh?
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Old May 25th 17, 04:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?

Andy wrote:
Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems?

Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Product Name: F2A68HM-H

Many thanks,
Andy


Show me in the hardware block diagram, where it has Bluetooth ?
(Note - Postimg gets to mess with the file name, and it didn't have
underscore characters when I uploaded it!)

https://s16.postimg.org/8o4v0ke45/GA...HM-_H_mobo.gif

*******

The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware
code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard.

If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port,
it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver
(like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID
interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at
all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard
or wireless mouse. The USB HID idea is used on purpose, to
make it easier for any OS or BIOS setup screen, to use it.

The BIOS does have generic Extended Int 0x13 USB storage device
support (hard drive emulation for USB sticks), such that you can
boot from a USB stick. But this does not imply that every USB
Class driver that the OS has, is shadowed by a similar capability
in the BIOS. The BIOS can't see and use your webcam, to take
pictures of you :-)

If you had a combo Wifi/Bluetooth tin-can module soldered to
the motherboard, they *could* provided an enable/disable for
the module in the peripheral chip section of the BIOS. But flipping
the switch basically disables that bus decide (the whole thing
would be shut off). For lower speed Wifi, that can be implemented
as a USB connection. Some faster ones might be PCI Express
single lane interfaces. But there's no confusing items like
that in the motherboard diagram above. Nothing
to raise suspicions such a control option exists.

Paul
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Old May 25th 17, 08:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware
code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard.

If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port,
it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver
(like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID
interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at
all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard

[]
Actually, I think a USB keyboard, not a USB wireless keyboard (-:
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Old May 25th 17, 08:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)

In message , JJ
writes:
On Wed, 24 May 2017 18:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote:
Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems?

Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Product Name: F2A68HM-H

Many thanks,
Andy


Doesn't seem so, according to its manual.

This is similar to my MSI motherboard which doesn't have a BIOS setting to
set the keyboard's default NumLock state, even though it still has a PS/2
keyboard port.

So much for "modern" firmware, eh?


I remember coming across a small something (batch file, .reg file, or
similar - I forget what) which would set the numlock state at some
fairly early stage (Windows booting, I think it was). Not as good as
BIOS, but better than nothing.

I continue to be surprised that there are people who like NumLock _off_;
I always assumed it was mainly for people who'd got used to 84-key
keyboards which didn't have the arrow keys and sixpack, but surely that
can't be the reason now. Or is it just something that will survive for
ever like Ethernet packet addressing even over CAT cable rather than
coaxial.

As for Scroll Lock, I don't _think_ I've ever come across anything that
uses it for anything approaching its original purpose; I've rarely
enough come across anything that uses it at all, but the few things I
have just use it as an extra facility (key) to control something else.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their
children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for a
five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10): p12
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Old May 25th 17, 09:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
[]
The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware
code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard.

If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port,
it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver
(like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID
interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at
all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard

[]
Actually, I think a USB keyboard, not a USB wireless keyboard (-:


The combination of a USB wireless (Unifying/nano) receiver with HID interface
on the USB side, plus a wireless keyboard (operating at 2.5GHz).

Paul
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Old May 25th 17, 09:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
[]
The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware
code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard.

If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port,
it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver
(like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID
interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at
all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard

[]
Actually, I think a USB keyboard, not a USB wireless keyboard (-:


The combination of a USB wireless (Unifying/nano) receiver with HID interface
on the USB side, plus a wireless keyboard (operating at 2.5GHz).

Paul


What I meant was, as you've described it (the nano receiver just
presenting an HID interface), the BIOS doesn't know it's wireless.
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Old May 26th 17, 08:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Kerr Mudd-John
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)

On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:43:26 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote:

In message , JJ
writes:
On Wed, 24 May 2017 18:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote:


[Scroll lock]



As for Scroll Lock, I don't _think_ I've ever come across anything that
uses it for anything approaching its original purpose; I've rarely
enough come across anything that uses it at all, but the few things I
have just use it as an extra facility (key) to control something else.


I saw a DOS text display? edit? program wayback WhenIWasALad that
acknowledged it (i.e. given a cursor move, if scroll lock was on, it
scrolled the text, keeping the cursor static on the screen)

As usual wikipedia knows a bit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll...ndow_scrolling

or does it?
https://www.xkcd.com/978/

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Old May 26th 17, 11:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
JJ[_11_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)

On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:43:26 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I remember coming across a small something (batch file, .reg file, or
similar - I forget what) which would set the numlock state at some
fairly early stage (Windows booting, I think it was). Not as good as
BIOS, but better than nothing.


I already done that. Thanks.

And I'm planning to install GRUB and make a startup module to turn the
NumLock off so that it's already in off state when the Windows Boot Manager
appears.

I continue to be surprised that there are people who like NumLock _off_;
I always assumed it was mainly for people who'd got used to 84-key
keyboards which didn't have the arrow keys and sixpack, but surely that
can't be the reason now. Or is it just something that will survive for
ever like Ethernet packet addressing even over CAT cable rather than
coaxial.


The reason I prefer using the NumPad for directional keys is because I'm
more comfortable with its arrow key placements. IMO, the arrow keys in the
middle of a keyboard is awkwardly laid out. For me, the placement of the
DownArrow key is more like a placement for a "center/middle" key (whatever
that is). So, it feels awkward for me to use it.

Also, there are ENTER, INSERT and DELETE keys at the NumPad, so it really
quickens both navigation and (limited) editing for e.g. text. My arm would
move less on the keyboard.

As for Scroll Lock, I don't _think_ I've ever come across anything that
uses it for anything approaching its original purpose; I've rarely
enough come across anything that uses it at all, but the few things I
have just use it as an extra facility (key) to control something else.


Ditto.

If I'm not mistaken, the ScrollLock key is only used in *nix systems.

For me, I use it as an alternative key for the Break signal (CTRL+Break /
CTRL+C) by pressing CTRL+ScrollLock.

For me, the most useless key is the NumPad's "5" key when NumLock is
inactive. In Windows, that key is translated to the Clear key. The Clear key
means something in Mac OS and probably in other *nix system too. But in
Windows, it seems that it's not means for anything.
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Old May 26th 17, 11:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
JJ[_11_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)

On Fri, 26 May 2017 08:52:58 +0100, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:

I saw a DOS text display? edit? program wayback WhenIWasALad that
acknowledged it (i.e. given a cursor move, if scroll lock was on, it
scrolled the text, keeping the cursor static on the screen)


DOS is same as Windows (the OS itself) when it comes to making use the
ScrollLock key. They don't. Applications will need to manually check the
ScrollLock key state.

DOS itself doesn't have anything that display scrollable view. And even the
DOS Shell program doesn't make use of that key.

In Windows, no standard UI controls such as listbox and multi-line editbox,
make use of the ScrollLock keys.
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Old May 26th 17, 06:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Andy[_17_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:16:36 AM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:
Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems?

Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Product Name: F2A68HM-H

Many thanks,
Andy


Show me in the hardware block diagram, where it has Bluetooth ?
(Note - Postimg gets to mess with the file name, and it didn't have
underscore characters when I uploaded it!)

https://s16.postimg.org/8o4v0ke45/GA...HM-_H_mobo.gif

*******

The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware
code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard.

If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port,
it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver
(like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID
interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at
all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard
or wireless mouse. The USB HID idea is used on purpose, to
make it easier for any OS or BIOS setup screen, to use it.

The BIOS does have generic Extended Int 0x13 USB storage device
support (hard drive emulation for USB sticks), such that you can
boot from a USB stick. But this does not imply that every USB
Class driver that the OS has, is shadowed by a similar capability
in the BIOS. The BIOS can't see and use your webcam, to take
pictures of you :-)

If you had a combo Wifi/Bluetooth tin-can module soldered to
the motherboard, they *could* provided an enable/disable for
the module in the peripheral chip section of the BIOS. But flipping
the switch basically disables that bus decide (the whole thing
would be shut off). For lower speed Wifi, that can be implemented
as a USB connection. Some faster ones might be PCI Express
single lane interfaces. But there's no confusing items like
that in the motherboard diagram above. Nothing
to raise suspicions such a control option exists.

Paul


I was referring to a USB BT dongle.

Andy
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Old May 26th 17, 07:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?

Andy wrote:
On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:16:36 AM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote:
Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems?

Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Product Name: F2A68HM-H

Many thanks,
Andy

Show me in the hardware block diagram, where it has Bluetooth ?
(Note - Postimg gets to mess with the file name, and it didn't have
underscore characters when I uploaded it!)

https://s16.postimg.org/8o4v0ke45/GA...HM-_H_mobo.gif

*******

The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware
code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard.

If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port,
it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver
(like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID
interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at
all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard
or wireless mouse. The USB HID idea is used on purpose, to
make it easier for any OS or BIOS setup screen, to use it.

The BIOS does have generic Extended Int 0x13 USB storage device
support (hard drive emulation for USB sticks), such that you can
boot from a USB stick. But this does not imply that every USB
Class driver that the OS has, is shadowed by a similar capability
in the BIOS. The BIOS can't see and use your webcam, to take
pictures of you :-)

If you had a combo Wifi/Bluetooth tin-can module soldered to
the motherboard, they *could* provided an enable/disable for
the module in the peripheral chip section of the BIOS. But flipping
the switch basically disables that bus decode (the whole thing
would be shut off). For lower speed Wifi, that can be implemented
as a USB connection. Some faster ones might be PCI Express
single lane interfaces. But there's no confusing items like
that in the motherboard diagram above. Nothing
to raise suspicions such a control option exists.

Paul


I was referring to a USB BT dongle.

Andy


No, there won't be a control in the BIOS.

The BIOS has features such as:

1) USB device boot support (hard drive emulation, Extended INT 0x13 support)
2) USB BIOS controls to shut off support for USB2
(i.e. disable certain protocols for USB).

Devices work best at OS level, if you install the driver, and
the driver for the device supports "Aircraft Mode". On a laptop,
sometimes a function key can enable or disable radios, on
device drivers that support such a feature.

A Logitech Unifying receiver or a Nano receiver, the radio
is not "exposed". There is no driver at the OS level. There
is no way to get at the radio portion. If you're at the
airport, and want to strictly meet the "no radios" requirement,
you just unplug the Unifying receiver and put it in your pocket.
As well as hitting the F key that causes the Wifi status LED
to go out (so the laptop Wifi at 2.5GHz is turned off).

Paul
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Old May 26th 17, 08:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)

In message , JJ
writes:
[]
The reason I prefer using the NumPad for directional keys is because I'm
more comfortable with its arrow key placements. IMO, the arrow keys in the
middle of a keyboard is awkwardly laid out. For me, the placement of the
DownArrow key is more like a placement for a "center/middle" key (whatever
that is). So, it feels awkward for me to use it.

Also, there are ENTER, INSERT and DELETE keys at the NumPad, so it really
quickens both navigation and (limited) editing for e.g. text. My arm would
move less on the keyboard.


Interesting. I agree that the inverted-T isn't entirely logical - I
prefer the ones where the arrow keys are in a diamond (square on its
corner), but they never seem to have caught on enough to be cheap.

I've very rarely used insert mode.

I could _sort_ of see your point about hand movement - I prefer keyboard
shortcuts to using the mouse (watching some people filling in a webform
is painful!) - but I think I prefer the advantages of having a numpad
(ability to enter numbers quickly, Alt codes, "grey +/-", ...). AllChars
makes the need for Alt+ less, but it isn't installed on other people's
machines (such as at work), and sometimes I can't remember the
combinations (-:.

As for Scroll Lock, I don't _think_ I've ever come across anything that
uses it for anything approaching its original purpose; I've rarely
enough come across anything that uses it at all, but the few things I
have just use it as an extra facility (key) to control something else.


Ditto.

If I'm not mistaken, the ScrollLock key is only used in *nix systems.

For me, I use it as an alternative key for the Break signal (CTRL+Break /
CTRL+C) by pressing CTRL+ScrollLock.

For me, the most useless key is the NumPad's "5" key when NumLock is
inactive. In Windows, that key is translated to the Clear key. The Clear key
means something in Mac OS and probably in other *nix system too. But in
Windows, it seems that it's not means for anything.


By "Clear", what do you mean - things like erasing the contents of a
textbox?
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Old May 27th 17, 09:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)

On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:32:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I've very rarely used insert mode.


I use the Numpad's INSERT and DELETE keys mostly for the alternative
clipboard shortcut keys. i.e.

Cut = SHIFT+DEL
Copy = CTRL+INSERT
Paste = SHIFT+INSERT

By "Clear", what do you mean - things like erasing the contents of a
textbox?


I can't find an official source, but on forums and Q&A sites the most
believable description is that in Mac OS, it's for clearing the current
selection without changing the current cursor position.

In Windows, using only the keyboard, we have to use the navigational keys
(e.g. Left, Home, etc.), which changes the current cursor position (assuming
that the selection is at the midle of a text).

FYI, Mac OS keyboards have a dedicated Clear key which is at the same
location as IBM keyboards's NumLock key.

http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/kb/Apple_iMac_Keyboard_A1243.jpg

In DOS and Windows, the other functions of the NumLock key is the Pause key.
i.e. CTRL+NumLock.
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Old May 27th 17, 11:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)

In message , JJ
writes:
On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:32:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I've very rarely used insert mode.


I use the Numpad's INSERT and DELETE keys mostly for the alternative
clipboard shortcut keys. i.e.

Cut = SHIFT+DEL
Copy = CTRL+INSERT
Paste = SHIFT+INSERT


Ah, possibly because of being left-handed, but I find Ctrl-X, C, and V
very easy. (Along with Alt-space; I find Alt-space then C a lot easier
than Alt-F4, for example.)

By "Clear", what do you mean - things like erasing the contents of a
textbox?


I can't find an official source, but on forums and Q&A sites the most
believable description is that in Mac OS, it's for clearing the current
selection without changing the current cursor position.


If you mean the current box in a form, I find Ctrl-A (for All) will
usually highlight it all, such that the next character replaces it all;
if you mean you've highlighted some text in a (longer) block of text, I
can't think of anything that unselects that, other than selecting
another which as you say moves the cursor (though could be by only one
character, such as shift-rightarrow) - but then, I can't think why I'd
want to.

In Windows, using only the keyboard, we have to use the navigational keys
(e.g. Left, Home, etc.), which changes the current cursor position (assuming
that the selection is at the midle of a text).


Left then right or vice versa isn't usually a problem.

FYI, Mac OS keyboards have a dedicated Clear key which is at the same
location as IBM keyboards's NumLock key.

http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/kb/Apple_iMac_Keyboard_A1243.jpg

In DOS and Windows, the other functions of the NumLock key is the Pause key.
i.e. CTRL+NumLock.


Yes, see previous post (pausing BIOS boot).
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