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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?
Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems?
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Product Name: F2A68HM-H Many thanks, Andy |
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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?
On Wed, 24 May 2017 18:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote:
Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems? Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Product Name: F2A68HM-H Many thanks, Andy Doesn't seem so, according to its manual. This is similar to my MSI motherboard which doesn't have a BIOS setting to set the keyboard's default NumLock state, even though it still has a PS/2 keyboard port. So much for "modern" firmware, eh? |
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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?
Andy wrote:
Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems? Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Product Name: F2A68HM-H Many thanks, Andy Show me in the hardware block diagram, where it has Bluetooth ? (Note - Postimg gets to mess with the file name, and it didn't have underscore characters when I uploaded it!) https://s16.postimg.org/8o4v0ke45/GA...HM-_H_mobo.gif ******* The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard. If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port, it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver (like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard or wireless mouse. The USB HID idea is used on purpose, to make it easier for any OS or BIOS setup screen, to use it. The BIOS does have generic Extended Int 0x13 USB storage device support (hard drive emulation for USB sticks), such that you can boot from a USB stick. But this does not imply that every USB Class driver that the OS has, is shadowed by a similar capability in the BIOS. The BIOS can't see and use your webcam, to take pictures of you :-) If you had a combo Wifi/Bluetooth tin-can module soldered to the motherboard, they *could* provided an enable/disable for the module in the peripheral chip section of the BIOS. But flipping the switch basically disables that bus decide (the whole thing would be shut off). For lower speed Wifi, that can be implemented as a USB connection. Some faster ones might be PCI Express single lane interfaces. But there's no confusing items like that in the motherboard diagram above. Nothing to raise suspicions such a control option exists. Paul |
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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?
In message , Paul
writes: [] The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard. If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port, it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver (like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard [] Actually, I think a USB keyboard, not a USB wireless keyboard (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for a five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10): p12 |
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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)
In message , JJ
writes: On Wed, 24 May 2017 18:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote: Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems? Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Product Name: F2A68HM-H Many thanks, Andy Doesn't seem so, according to its manual. This is similar to my MSI motherboard which doesn't have a BIOS setting to set the keyboard's default NumLock state, even though it still has a PS/2 keyboard port. So much for "modern" firmware, eh? I remember coming across a small something (batch file, .reg file, or similar - I forget what) which would set the numlock state at some fairly early stage (Windows booting, I think it was). Not as good as BIOS, but better than nothing. I continue to be surprised that there are people who like NumLock _off_; I always assumed it was mainly for people who'd got used to 84-key keyboards which didn't have the arrow keys and sixpack, but surely that can't be the reason now. Or is it just something that will survive for ever like Ethernet packet addressing even over CAT cable rather than coaxial. As for Scroll Lock, I don't _think_ I've ever come across anything that uses it for anything approaching its original purpose; I've rarely enough come across anything that uses it at all, but the few things I have just use it as an extra facility (key) to control something else. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for a five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10): p12 |
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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: [] The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard. If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port, it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver (like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard [] Actually, I think a USB keyboard, not a USB wireless keyboard (-: The combination of a USB wireless (Unifying/nano) receiver with HID interface on the USB side, plus a wireless keyboard (operating at 2.5GHz). Paul |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Paul writes: [] The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard. If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port, it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver (like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard [] Actually, I think a USB keyboard, not a USB wireless keyboard (-: The combination of a USB wireless (Unifying/nano) receiver with HID interface on the USB side, plus a wireless keyboard (operating at 2.5GHz). Paul What I meant was, as you've described it (the nano receiver just presenting an HID interface), the BIOS doesn't know it's wireless. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The early worm gets the bird. |
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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)
On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:43:26 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote: In message , JJ writes: On Wed, 24 May 2017 18:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote: [Scroll lock] As for Scroll Lock, I don't _think_ I've ever come across anything that uses it for anything approaching its original purpose; I've rarely enough come across anything that uses it at all, but the few things I have just use it as an extra facility (key) to control something else. I saw a DOS text display? edit? program wayback WhenIWasALad that acknowledged it (i.e. given a cursor move, if scroll lock was on, it scrolled the text, keeping the cursor static on the screen) As usual wikipedia knows a bit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll...ndow_scrolling or does it? https://www.xkcd.com/978/ -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug |
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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)
On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:43:26 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I remember coming across a small something (batch file, .reg file, or similar - I forget what) which would set the numlock state at some fairly early stage (Windows booting, I think it was). Not as good as BIOS, but better than nothing. I already done that. Thanks. And I'm planning to install GRUB and make a startup module to turn the NumLock off so that it's already in off state when the Windows Boot Manager appears. I continue to be surprised that there are people who like NumLock _off_; I always assumed it was mainly for people who'd got used to 84-key keyboards which didn't have the arrow keys and sixpack, but surely that can't be the reason now. Or is it just something that will survive for ever like Ethernet packet addressing even over CAT cable rather than coaxial. The reason I prefer using the NumPad for directional keys is because I'm more comfortable with its arrow key placements. IMO, the arrow keys in the middle of a keyboard is awkwardly laid out. For me, the placement of the DownArrow key is more like a placement for a "center/middle" key (whatever that is). So, it feels awkward for me to use it. Also, there are ENTER, INSERT and DELETE keys at the NumPad, so it really quickens both navigation and (limited) editing for e.g. text. My arm would move less on the keyboard. As for Scroll Lock, I don't _think_ I've ever come across anything that uses it for anything approaching its original purpose; I've rarely enough come across anything that uses it at all, but the few things I have just use it as an extra facility (key) to control something else. Ditto. If I'm not mistaken, the ScrollLock key is only used in *nix systems. For me, I use it as an alternative key for the Break signal (CTRL+Break / CTRL+C) by pressing CTRL+ScrollLock. For me, the most useless key is the NumPad's "5" key when NumLock is inactive. In Windows, that key is translated to the Clear key. The Clear key means something in Mac OS and probably in other *nix system too. But in Windows, it seems that it's not means for anything. |
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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ? (now NumLock)
On Fri, 26 May 2017 08:52:58 +0100, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
I saw a DOS text display? edit? program wayback WhenIWasALad that acknowledged it (i.e. given a cursor move, if scroll lock was on, it scrolled the text, keeping the cursor static on the screen) DOS is same as Windows (the OS itself) when it comes to making use the ScrollLock key. They don't. Applications will need to manually check the ScrollLock key state. DOS itself doesn't have anything that display scrollable view. And even the DOS Shell program doesn't make use of that key. In Windows, no standard UI controls such as listbox and multi-line editbox, make use of the ScrollLock keys. |
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Bluetooth setting in AMD Bios ?
On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:16:36 AM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
Andy wrote: Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems? Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Product Name: F2A68HM-H Many thanks, Andy Show me in the hardware block diagram, where it has Bluetooth ? (Note - Postimg gets to mess with the file name, and it didn't have underscore characters when I uploaded it!) https://s16.postimg.org/8o4v0ke45/GA...HM-_H_mobo.gif ******* The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard. If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port, it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver (like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard or wireless mouse. The USB HID idea is used on purpose, to make it easier for any OS or BIOS setup screen, to use it. The BIOS does have generic Extended Int 0x13 USB storage device support (hard drive emulation for USB sticks), such that you can boot from a USB stick. But this does not imply that every USB Class driver that the OS has, is shadowed by a similar capability in the BIOS. The BIOS can't see and use your webcam, to take pictures of you :-) If you had a combo Wifi/Bluetooth tin-can module soldered to the motherboard, they *could* provided an enable/disable for the module in the peripheral chip section of the BIOS. But flipping the switch basically disables that bus decide (the whole thing would be shut off). For lower speed Wifi, that can be implemented as a USB connection. Some faster ones might be PCI Express single lane interfaces. But there's no confusing items like that in the motherboard diagram above. Nothing to raise suspicions such a control option exists. Paul I was referring to a USB BT dongle. Andy |
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Andy wrote:
On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:16:36 AM UTC-5, Paul wrote: Andy wrote: Is there a setting in the BIOS to turn bluetooth on and off for AMD systems? Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Product Name: F2A68HM-H Many thanks, Andy Show me in the hardware block diagram, where it has Bluetooth ? (Note - Postimg gets to mess with the file name, and it didn't have underscore characters when I uploaded it!) https://s16.postimg.org/8o4v0ke45/GA...HM-_H_mobo.gif ******* The BIOS will *not* control add-on hardware. The BIOS has firmware code blocks for chips which are actually soldered to the motherboard. If you plug a USB Bluetooth nano receiver into a USB port, it doesn't have a driver for that. The Bluetooth nano receiver (like a Logitech Unifying receiver) can present a USB HID interface. That means the radio portion is not exposed at all, and all the BIOS can see is a USB wireless keyboard or wireless mouse. The USB HID idea is used on purpose, to make it easier for any OS or BIOS setup screen, to use it. The BIOS does have generic Extended Int 0x13 USB storage device support (hard drive emulation for USB sticks), such that you can boot from a USB stick. But this does not imply that every USB Class driver that the OS has, is shadowed by a similar capability in the BIOS. The BIOS can't see and use your webcam, to take pictures of you :-) If you had a combo Wifi/Bluetooth tin-can module soldered to the motherboard, they *could* provided an enable/disable for the module in the peripheral chip section of the BIOS. But flipping the switch basically disables that bus decode (the whole thing would be shut off). For lower speed Wifi, that can be implemented as a USB connection. Some faster ones might be PCI Express single lane interfaces. But there's no confusing items like that in the motherboard diagram above. Nothing to raise suspicions such a control option exists. Paul I was referring to a USB BT dongle. Andy No, there won't be a control in the BIOS. The BIOS has features such as: 1) USB device boot support (hard drive emulation, Extended INT 0x13 support) 2) USB BIOS controls to shut off support for USB2 (i.e. disable certain protocols for USB). Devices work best at OS level, if you install the driver, and the driver for the device supports "Aircraft Mode". On a laptop, sometimes a function key can enable or disable radios, on device drivers that support such a feature. A Logitech Unifying receiver or a Nano receiver, the radio is not "exposed". There is no driver at the OS level. There is no way to get at the radio portion. If you're at the airport, and want to strictly meet the "no radios" requirement, you just unplug the Unifying receiver and put it in your pocket. As well as hitting the F key that causes the Wifi status LED to go out (so the laptop Wifi at 2.5GHz is turned off). Paul |
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In message , JJ
writes: [] The reason I prefer using the NumPad for directional keys is because I'm more comfortable with its arrow key placements. IMO, the arrow keys in the middle of a keyboard is awkwardly laid out. For me, the placement of the DownArrow key is more like a placement for a "center/middle" key (whatever that is). So, it feels awkward for me to use it. Also, there are ENTER, INSERT and DELETE keys at the NumPad, so it really quickens both navigation and (limited) editing for e.g. text. My arm would move less on the keyboard. Interesting. I agree that the inverted-T isn't entirely logical - I prefer the ones where the arrow keys are in a diamond (square on its corner), but they never seem to have caught on enough to be cheap. I've very rarely used insert mode. I could _sort_ of see your point about hand movement - I prefer keyboard shortcuts to using the mouse (watching some people filling in a webform is painful!) - but I think I prefer the advantages of having a numpad (ability to enter numbers quickly, Alt codes, "grey +/-", ...). AllChars makes the need for Alt+ less, but it isn't installed on other people's machines (such as at work), and sometimes I can't remember the combinations (-:. As for Scroll Lock, I don't _think_ I've ever come across anything that uses it for anything approaching its original purpose; I've rarely enough come across anything that uses it at all, but the few things I have just use it as an extra facility (key) to control something else. Ditto. If I'm not mistaken, the ScrollLock key is only used in *nix systems. For me, I use it as an alternative key for the Break signal (CTRL+Break / CTRL+C) by pressing CTRL+ScrollLock. For me, the most useless key is the NumPad's "5" key when NumLock is inactive. In Windows, that key is translated to the Clear key. The Clear key means something in Mac OS and probably in other *nix system too. But in Windows, it seems that it's not means for anything. By "Clear", what do you mean - things like erasing the contents of a textbox? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You know what the big secret about posh people is? Most of them are lovely. - Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15 |
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On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:32:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I've very rarely used insert mode. I use the Numpad's INSERT and DELETE keys mostly for the alternative clipboard shortcut keys. i.e. Cut = SHIFT+DEL Copy = CTRL+INSERT Paste = SHIFT+INSERT By "Clear", what do you mean - things like erasing the contents of a textbox? I can't find an official source, but on forums and Q&A sites the most believable description is that in Mac OS, it's for clearing the current selection without changing the current cursor position. In Windows, using only the keyboard, we have to use the navigational keys (e.g. Left, Home, etc.), which changes the current cursor position (assuming that the selection is at the midle of a text). FYI, Mac OS keyboards have a dedicated Clear key which is at the same location as IBM keyboards's NumLock key. http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/kb/Apple_iMac_Keyboard_A1243.jpg In DOS and Windows, the other functions of the NumLock key is the Pause key. i.e. CTRL+NumLock. |
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In message , JJ
writes: On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:32:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I've very rarely used insert mode. I use the Numpad's INSERT and DELETE keys mostly for the alternative clipboard shortcut keys. i.e. Cut = SHIFT+DEL Copy = CTRL+INSERT Paste = SHIFT+INSERT Ah, possibly because of being left-handed, but I find Ctrl-X, C, and V very easy. (Along with Alt-space; I find Alt-space then C a lot easier than Alt-F4, for example.) By "Clear", what do you mean - things like erasing the contents of a textbox? I can't find an official source, but on forums and Q&A sites the most believable description is that in Mac OS, it's for clearing the current selection without changing the current cursor position. If you mean the current box in a form, I find Ctrl-A (for All) will usually highlight it all, such that the next character replaces it all; if you mean you've highlighted some text in a (longer) block of text, I can't think of anything that unselects that, other than selecting another which as you say moves the cursor (though could be by only one character, such as shift-rightarrow) - but then, I can't think why I'd want to. In Windows, using only the keyboard, we have to use the navigational keys (e.g. Left, Home, etc.), which changes the current cursor position (assuming that the selection is at the midle of a text). Left then right or vice versa isn't usually a problem. FYI, Mac OS keyboards have a dedicated Clear key which is at the same location as IBM keyboards's NumLock key. http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/kb/Apple_iMac_Keyboard_A1243.jpg In DOS and Windows, the other functions of the NumLock key is the Pause key. i.e. CTRL+NumLock. Yes, see previous post (pausing BIOS boot). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Does Barbie come with Ken?" "Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken." - anonymous |
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