“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security Essentials�

On 10/12/2019 23:16, Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/10/2019 3:44 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
David wrote:
On 10/12/2019 20:54, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:42:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
wrote:

“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security
Essentials�

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html



“When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security
Essentials
software.�

Ok, this is not good.Â* Microsoft is playing hardball here.

Â*Â*Â* It'll just boost the sale/usage of "compatible with Win 7"
AVs.

I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products.


Â*Â*Â* Kaspersky is usually top in detection. Just ahead of
BitDefender.
Â*Â*Â* Plus with Kaspersky you have the option to turn off sending
all your Internet activity/unknown files to headquarters.
Â*Â*Â* Even so, I haven't used a resident AV for ages (5 years?)
Â*Â*Â* *It's not difficult to avoid malware*.
Â*Â*Â* []'s

That's bullsh*t!

If you don't use an anti-virus software programme with Microsoft Windows
(before Windows 10) then you won't ever KNOW that your computer is free
from malware.

If your computer DOES have malware, and you attempt to download the
Kaspersky Rescue Disk from here
https://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/krd18

You may end up being redirected to a 'spoof' Kaspersky site and be
served with a 'doctored' Rescue Disk! You will THINK your machine is
clean when, in fact, it remains infected!

HTH

The key word was "resident".
I have not had any resident AV in 20 years and have never gotten any bad
stuff.



That's like saying "I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never
gotten hurt in an accident."


Haha! :-D You're a card, Ken!

David wrote:
On 10/12/2019 22:33, Paul wrote:
David wrote:
On 10/12/2019 20:54, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:42:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
wrote:

“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security
Essentials�

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html


“When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security
Essentials
software.�

Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here.

It'll just boost the sale/usage of "compatible with Win 7"
AVs.

I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products.


Kaspersky is usually top in detection. Just ahead of
BitDefender.
Plus with Kaspersky you have the option to turn off sending
all your Internet activity/unknown files to headquarters.
Even so, I haven't used a resident AV for ages (5 years?)
*It's not difficult to avoid malware*.
[]'s

That's bullsh*t!

If you don't use an anti-virus software programme with Microsoft
Windows (before Windows 10) then you won't ever KNOW that your
computer is free from malware.

If your computer DOES have malware, and you attempt to download the
Kaspersky Rescue Disk from here
https://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/krd18

You may end up being redirected to a 'spoof' Kaspersky site and be
served with a 'doctored' Rescue Disk! You will THINK your machine is
clean when, in fact, it remains infected!

HTH

1) GOTO Public Library.
2) Download Kaspersky.
3) Burn CD.
4) Thank librarian for being there.
Go home. Scan machine.

This is what friends are for.

Thanks, Pal! :-)

Sadly, I understand that they don't have Libraries in third world
countries like Brazil! ;-)

https://thenextweb.com/la/2011/06/19...-still-matter/

"Cyber cafés in Brazil...

There are around 100,000 in total, reaching an estimated 30-35 million users.
Most of them are located in lower-income communities"

Btw, do you REALLY trust a Russian company?!!!

Virtually all the AV companies use "foreigners".
What are you gonna do ?

Paul

Alek wrote on 12/10/2019 3:54 PM:
Lynn McGuire wrote on 12/10/2019 1:42 PM:
“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security
Essentials�

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html

“When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials
software.�

Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here.

I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products.

Lynn

"Security Essentials, a free antivirus (AV) program that launched in
2008, was originally limited to consumers. However, in 2010, Microsoft
expanded the licensing to small businesses
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13752/windows-security-essentials-eula,
defined as those with 10 or fewer PCs. Two years after that, *MSE was
replaced by Windows Defender* with the launch of Windows 8."

Don't you have Windows Defender?
blush You did say Windows SEVEN, right?

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:33:13 -0500, Paul
wrote:

David wrote:
On 10/12/2019 20:54, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:42:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
wrote:

“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security
Essentials”

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html


“When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials
software.”

Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here.

It'll just boost the sale/usage of "compatible with Win 7"
AVs.

I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products.


Kaspersky is usually top in detection. Just ahead of
BitDefender.
Plus with Kaspersky you have the option to turn off sending
all your Internet activity/unknown files to headquarters.
Even so, I haven't used a resident AV for ages (5 years?)
*It's not difficult to avoid malware*.
[]'s

That's bullsh*t!

If you don't use an anti-virus software programme with Microsoft Windows
(before Windows 10) then you won't ever KNOW that your computer is free
from malware.

If your computer DOES have malware

It doesn't.

HTH

Not at all.

1) GOTO Public Library.
2) Download Kaspersky.
3) Burn CD.
4) Thank librarian for being there.
Go home. Scan machine.

This is what friends are for.

I "burn" it to a USB with Rufus.Seems to scan a bit faster
than from a DVD. I run it once a week. The download always contains
the latest detections, so I pull the Ethernet plug.
It's never found anything other than a few false positives,
and a small malware collection I have to check it's working.
5 years with no resident AV. No malware active. (well,
Kaspersky does not detect TLA malware and its clones, but that's
another story. No AV does).
[]'s
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We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:16:49 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 12/10/2019 3:44 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

The key word was "resident".
I have not had any resident AV in 20 years and have never gotten any bad
stuff.

That's like saying "I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never
gotten hurt in an accident."

Better:

""I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never
gotten hurt in an accident., but OTOH I don't use a car".

"I don't use a car" = I don't click on suspicious links, I
don't enable scripting for all but a few sites. I don't execute
programs/installers without a reasonable quarantine in case they are
zero-days, I check firewall logs .... the usual basic safeguards.
And even then, I do a weekly offline USB-booted scan and keep
data backups.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 10/12/2019 18:42, Lynn McGuire wrote:
“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security
Essentials�

https://www.computerworld.com/a
Link snipped


“When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security
Essentials software.�

Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here.

I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products.

Lynn


Not sure why this was posted to Windows 10 when it has nothing to do
with it.

Anyway, since you were trolling, you can tell us whether you are
surprised by this decision knowing that Windows 7 support is ending on
20th January 2020. and therefore likely to remain unsecure for a very
long time indeed. This being so, it makes no difference whether they
have any malware protection or not.

If security is very important to them then they should upgrade their
operating system. They can use 8.1 if they can still buy a licence for
it or they can upgrade to Windows 10 free of charge. It is as simple as
that.




--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:42:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
wrote:

“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security
Essentials”

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html

“When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials
software.”

Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here.

It'll just boost the sale/usage of "compatible with Win 7"
AVs.

Which will disappear just like they did when previous versions of Windows
went out of support. It is ridiculous to try and protect an os that the
vendor won't support with security fixes.

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 08:45:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris
wrote:

Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:42:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
wrote:

?Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7?s free AV software, Security
Essentials?

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html

?When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials
software.?

Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here.

It'll just boost the sale/usage of "compatible with Win 7"
AVs.

Which will disappear just like they did when previous versions of Windows
went out of support. It is ridiculous to try and protect an os that the
vendor won't support with security fixes.

I'm still on XP(and Linux). I ditched Avira when I caught it
phoning home. Not for updates. It was relaying my private, personal
web-browsing data and some files I compiled myself. Probably for my
"safety, security and privacy". They can legally do that. Read the
TOS.

There are numerous top quality free on demand AVs that still
support the almost 20 year old OS. With the advantage that USB-booted
AVs are can't be disabled by zero-day rootkits, like the resident AVs
can.
So what you are saying is I'm be vulnerable to all the attacks
M$ PROMISED.
And never happened?

https://www.dataviper.io/blog/2019/p...illion-people/

1.2 billion people's data hacked from secure, up-to-date
servers.... is that even possible?
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 12/10/2019 6:05 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:16:49 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 12/10/2019 3:44 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

The key word was "resident".
I have not had any resident AV in 20 years and have never gotten any bad
stuff.

That's like saying "I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never
gotten hurt in an accident."

Better:

""I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never
gotten hurt in an accident., but OTOH I don't use a car".

"I don't use a car" = I don't click on suspicious links, I
don't enable scripting for all but a few sites. I don't execute
programs/installers without a reasonable quarantine in case they are
zero-days, I check firewall logs .... the usual basic safeguards.
And even then, I do a weekly offline USB-booted scan and keep
data backups.



You do good things. You practice "safe hex," and that substantially
reduces your risk of getting infected by malware. Does it completely
eliminate the risks? No.

If you ran a good anti-virus program, that would reduce the risk even
further, but it would still not eliminate the risk completely.


The same with seatbelts. Do they completely eliminate the risk of
getting hurt in a car accident? No, of course not. But they reduce the risk.

In my view, all computer users should do whatever possible to reduce the
risk.


--
Ken

On 11/12/2019 15:05, Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/10/2019 6:05 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:16:49 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 12/10/2019 3:44 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

The key word was "resident".
I have not had any resident AV in 20 years and have never gotten any
bad
stuff.

That's like saying "I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have
never gotten hurt in an accident."

Â*Â*Â*Â*Better:

Â*Â*Â*Â*""I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never
gotten hurt in an accident., but OTOH I don't use a car".

Â*Â*Â*Â*"I don't use a car" = I don't click on suspicious links, I
don't enable scripting for all but a few sites. I don't execute
programs/installers without a reasonable quarantine in case they are
zero-days, I checkÂ* firewall logs .... the usual basic safeguards.
Â*Â*Â*Â*And even then, I do a weekly offline USB-booted scan and keep
data backups.



You do good things. You practice "safe hex," and that substantially
reduces your risk of getting infected by malware. Does it completely
eliminate the risks? No.

If you ranÂ* a good anti-virus program, that would reduce the risk even
further, but it would still not eliminate the risk completely.


The same with seatbelts. Do they completely eliminate the risk of
getting hurt in a car accident? No, of course not. But they reduce the
risk.

In my view, *all computer users* should do whatever possible to reduce the
risk.


What anti-virus/anti-malware software would you suggest that those folk
using *Apple* computers use, Ken?

On 11/12/2019 01:20, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 01:05:45 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

Not sure why this was posted to Windows 10 when it has nothing to do
with it.

Because people running Win 7 and relying on M$ to "keep them
safe" will become a source for Win 10 infections. And a LOT of people
consider Win 10 to be malware (see definition of malware), so they're
not going to downgrade, even if it is "free".
Worse, Win 10's AV gives people a false sense of security. It
scores lower than Kaspersky and BitDefender, AND none of them detect
zero days(unless heuristics picks up something - and Win 10's AV has
crappy heuristics).
But you knew that, it's why you use Linux.
'Fess up.
[]'s

With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

Source: GG

Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 08:45:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris
wrote:

Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:42:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
wrote:

?Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7?s free AV software, Security
Essentials?

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html

?When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials
software.?

Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here.

It'll just boost the sale/usage of "compatible with Win 7"
AVs.

Which will disappear just like they did when previous versions of Windows
went out of support. It is ridiculous to try and protect an os that the
vendor won't support with security fixes.

I'm still on XP(and Linux). I ditched Avira when I caught it
phoning home. Not for updates. It was relaying my private, personal
web-browsing data and some files I compiled myself. Probably for my
"safety, security and privacy". They can legally do that. Read the
TOS.

There are numerous top quality free on demand AVs that still
support the almost 20 year old OS. With the advantage that USB-booted
AVs are can't be disabled by zero-day rootkits, like the resident AVs
can.
So what you are saying is I'm be vulnerable to all the attacks
M$ PROMISED.
And never happened?

Correct. You're a savvy person so are reasonably safe, but it is not
something anyone would be recommended to do.

On 2019-12-15, David wrote:
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

That "satisfaction" claim is highly suspect since the vast majority
of users did not choose Windows 10, it just came with their computer
and they don't know any better.

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In article , Roger Blake
wrote:

With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

That "satisfaction" claim is highly suspect since the vast majority
of users did not choose Windows 10, it just came with their computer
and they don't know any better.

the vast majority of win10 users would have used a previous version of
windows and maybe mac os and linux too.

very few people would be using win10 for their first version of windows.

On 2019-12-15, nospam wrote:
very few people would be using win10 for their first version of windows.

That's the point, the choice has been made for them all along. If users
are not given a choice and have had no experience with anything else,
terms such as "user satisfaction" have little or no meaning.

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