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Why Linux Sucks- 2020 Version
XS11E wrote:
Snit wrote: How about we all just use what we like and speak of the pros and cons without attacking each other for having a different preference? Better yet, how about we all just recognise that I'm RIGHT and everyone else is WRONG as we've always done? GD&R -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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Why Linux Rocks- 2020 Version
On 2020-01-05, AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 1/3/2020 8:54 PM, nospam wrote: In article , vallor wrote: I have built Preamps and power amps of both types and prefer the solid state ones hands down. i also did long ago. i never much cared for designing analog circuits. A good portion of solid state circuits are analog. a much larger portion of them are digital. Not in the sense of power amplification. A lot of integrated circuit designers do the analog work inside the chip that goes out to the power amps. The power amps are analog and will always be analog. Just less analog design to do at that point. Well, class D is sort of digitial (pulse width modulation). |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
On 2020-01-05, AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 1/4/2020 5:09 AM, Melzzzzz wrote: On 2020-01-04, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 02/01/2020 18.34, nospam wrote: In article , John Wesley Harding wrote: And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world. no it hasn't. android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux. It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P Android is not GNU. Then again it is Linux. There seems to be a division of opinions on all of this. So, who would be the authority on this topic? The creators of Android, which is google. I'd go by what google has to say. I couldn't say it is or it isn't. Fine, you can go with them, but that does not make them them right. They admit it is the Linux kernel, which at least for me is the defining characteristic of Linux, not the stuff on top of the kernel. They certainly have a very different user GUI, but then so do KDE or Gnome, or CUI, or .... all of which call themselves Linux. But it is a discussion with extremely low stakes. And Google may have a stake in not calling it Linux. |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
nospam
Fri, 03 Jan 2020 23:19:49 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: In article XnsAB39AB4368593HT1@UOIXMMu3V6w40awHiSnqrQGYKkmK3 z2SK9mFDhrI8N.Ip9 03poH P, Diesel wrote: And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world. no it hasn't. Pretty much it has. no, it definitely hasn't. I disagree. linus ix mostly used in servers and embedded devices, *not* the desktop or pocket. Android uses the Linux kernel. A modified version, but, linux non the less. And as far as modified version goes, that's not unique. My router uses linux too. linux on the desktop is 1% share. for mobile, it's either android or ios. android has a stripped down kernel with android on top and ios does not have any linux whatsoever (although does use a significant amount of open source components). It doesn't matter that Android isn't using the same Linux kernel as any of my desktops, it's still Linux. My router isn't using the same kernel either, but, it's still Linux. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux. LINUX itself IS ONLY the kernel. when people say linux, they mean the full install, not just the kernel, which is useless without anything else. I don't care what some! people mean when they say linux, they clearly have the terminology wrong. You're normally anal concerning proper usage of terminology, why try for an exception here? android uses a stripped down linux kernel since quite a bit of it is not relevant for a mobile device or android itself. The keypoint, that you yourself agree, is that it's using a Linux kernel. That makes it, Linux. Android is just as much a linux distro as redhat, slack, debian, mint, etc are. android is in no way a linux distro like redhat etc. It's using a linux kernel. It has it's own utilities and shell. In those ways, it's the same as nearly any other linux distro. note that android is listed separately in the link above, not lumped into linux. That's a matter of more detailed statistical analysis. Instead of just grouping all Linux kernel based systems under Linux. No different than if one were to keep tabs on which versions of Windows are still in use. -- A bad day on the bike always beats a good day in the office! |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
nospam
Sat, 04 Jan 2020 17:39:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: In article , William Poaster wrote: Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the standard Linux kernel and basic operating system. only the base. the rest of android is not. Linux itself IS ONLY THE KERNEL. It doesn't matter what the rest (wtf?) of Android is, or isn't. It's Linux, because, *drum roll*, it's using a Linux kernel. -- Gee, Brain, what are we gonna do tonight? - Pinky |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
Joel
Sat, 04 Jan 2020 19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: roach wrote: On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel wrote: nospam wrote: In article , William Poaster wrote: Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the standard Linux kernel and basic operating system. only the base. the rest of android is not. Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even though it's been explained clearly to you. Linux *IS JUST THE* kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux. Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called "Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are. Linux was never imagined to be a complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other components come in. So, you could say that Android isn't Unix, but not that it isn't Linux. What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux? I didn't ask him. I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be. Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong definition to kernel. G -- Usenet is a way of being annoyed by people you otherwise never would have met. |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
nospam
Sat, 04 Jan 2020 17:39:26 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: In article , Jonathan N. Little wrote: from google i/o a while back: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux. i'm not the one saying it. *google* states that android is not linux. No, you misunderstood them. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...ion-to-google- andro id-for-developers/ Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the platform has very little in common with the conventional desktop Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux. They admit it's Linux. First sentence. Nobody said it had to be using a 'desktop' linux stack to be Linux. They took Linux kernel source and heavily modified it for their own purposes, which is perfectly fine. It's *still* a Linux kernel, so Android is *still* Linux. why don't you tell google that they're wrong. Tell them what? They aren't claiming Android is another desktop Linux distro. The one my router uses is heavily modified too, for the routers hardware/software needs, obviously. It's still Linux though. It's not the same kernel as any of my desktops are using, but, that doesn't make the router or my android phone any less/more linux than the desktops are. Just to make it more interesting, my desktops aren't all using the same kernels either. They are all still, Linux though. Linux is JUST THE KERNEL, after all. -- No you don't understand, see you don't understand... |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote: What of the post did you understand? That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D How so? -- Oxymoron: Removable sticker. |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
Diesel wrote:
David Fri, 03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote: What of the post did you understand? That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D How so? Can only answer for myself, but the integration between applications on the desktop with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my iOS devices, is a huge plus. I can give examples if you like. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri, 03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote: What of the post did you understand? That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D How so? "The integration between applications on the desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my iOS devices, is a huge plus." I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit! Thanks, Snit! :-D |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote: David Fri, 03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote: What of the post did you understand? That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D How so? "The integration between applications on the desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my iOS devices, is a huge plus." I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit! Thanks, Snit! :-D You are welcome. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
On 05/01/2020 08:33, Snit wrote:
David wrote: On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote: David Fri, 03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote: What of the post did you understand? That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D How so? "The integration between applications on the desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my iOS devices, is a huge plus." I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit! Thanks, Snit! :-D You are welcome. Thanks. :-) I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the content of the video which you will find he- MID I've set the 'Follow-Up' of this post to MY group - 'acw' (one I commandeered some years ago because it was 'unused') -- Regards, David |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
In article , Diesel
wrote: android uses a stripped down linux kernel since quite a bit of it is not relevant for a mobile device or android itself. The keypoint, that you yourself agree, is that it's using a Linux kernel. That makes it, Linux. the kernel is linux, not the rest. Android is just as much a linux distro as redhat, slack, debian, mint, etc are. android is in no way a linux distro like redhat etc. It's using a linux kernel. It has it's own utilities and shell. In those ways, it's the same as nearly any other linux distro. if that were true, then you would be able to natively install android apps on 'nearly any other linux distro' and linux apps on an android phone. since that's not possible, your assertion is false. |
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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
In article , Diesel
wrote: from google i/o a while back: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux. i'm not the one saying it. *google* states that android is not linux. No, you misunderstood them. there's nothing to misunderstand. it's very clear. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...ion-to-google- andro id-for-developers/ Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the platform has very little in common with the conventional desktop Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux. They admit it's Linux. First sentence. first sentence says it's built *on* *top* *of*, not is. Nobody said it had to be using a 'desktop' linux stack to be Linux. They took Linux kernel source and heavily modified it for their own purposes, which is perfectly fine. It's *still* a Linux kernel, so Android is *still* Linux. reread the last sentence: Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux. |
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[OT]Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 09:01:01 +0000, David
wrote: I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the content of the video which you will find he CUT_STALKING_LINK Translation: "You didn't killfile me, and you even agreed with one of my copy and pastes, so could you help me STALK innocent victims? You are the nicest, prettiest, sexiest, most intelligent person on Earth, and if you need any sexual favors, just ask. I have really sexy man-boobs and a lot of on all-fours experience". I've set the 'Follow-Up' of this post to MY group - 'acw' (one I commandeered some years ago because it was 'unused') Translation: "I completely destroyed the group years ago. All the MVPs and most of the hardware experts and other technically savvy guys that helped people here left". Before "helping" BD, read his "special page" carefully. --------------- BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to hide". I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request, rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!": http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php 64 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes! Google "David Brooks Devon" []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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