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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
Another example of the stench of Linux.
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=289943 Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute. Quote Post by PetroL » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:49 am Hello to you all. I am new to linux since 20 years back, never really had the patience until now... I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) but apparently as many others the sound wont come to life... After a lot of searching and tryouts I have to ask for help... I tryed to enable the speakers in alsamixer changing from HDMI to the internal (chtrt5650). Problem is they getting so hot I can barely touch them, not to mention the stench... I don´t dare to change from MM to unmute a fourth time, there must be something seriously faulty here and I don´t know if the left speaker is burned for good by now. Both initially gave some scraping sound when I started fiddling around but since my last try only the right one made a sound occasionally. My question is, this chtrt5650 which I think is the sound card for the internal speakers, is there any drivers to download like "realtek" or "AC97" I can try? All I get in Sound Settings is "Dummy Output"... pavucontrol only shows 8 or 9 different HDMI options all though the output bar is moving when Youtube is playing in the background. Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work. Thanks in advance. |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532)
I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OS will be faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine. And Linux for Chrome OS is available. I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable, polished PC and OS. Chromebooks can deliver that. Putting Mint on them brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But not a reason to complain. Regards M. |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies
wrote: I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OS will be faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine. And Linux for Chrome OS is available. I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable, polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But not a reason to complain. Regards M. I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in schools. Linux is the opposite. Linux runs like crap and has crap applications and unless you purchase something like Redhat support, you are stuck with the Linux community for support and we can all see how ****ed up they are. ie:RTFM. |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
On 2020-01-04, James wrote:
Another example of the stench of Linux. https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=289943 Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute. Quote Post by PetroL » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:49 am Hello to you all. I am new to linux since 20 years back, never really had the patience until now... I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) but apparently as many others the sound wont come to life... After a lot of searching and tryouts I have to ask for help... I tryed to enable the speakers in alsamixer changing from HDMI to the internal (chtrt5650). Problem is they getting so hot I can barely touch them, not to mention the stench... I don´t dare to change from MM to unmute a fourth time, there must be something seriously faulty here and I don´t know if the left speaker is burned for good by now. Both initially gave some scraping sound when I started fiddling around but since my last try only the right one made a sound occasionally. My question is, this chtrt5650 which I think is the sound card for the internal speakers, is there any drivers to download like "realtek" or "AC97" I can try? All I get in Sound Settings is "Dummy Output"... pavucontrol only shows 8 or 9 different HDMI options all though the output bar is moving when Youtube is playing in the background. Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work. Thanks in advance. That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has nothing to do with software. |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
William Unruh wrote in
: On 2020-01-04, James wrote: Another example of the stench of Linux. https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=289943 Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute. Quote Post by PetroL » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:49 am Hello to you all. I am new to linux since 20 years back, never really had the patience until now... I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) but apparently as many others the sound wont come to life... After a lot of searching and tryouts I have to ask for help... I tryed to enable the speakers in alsamixer changing from HDMI to the internal (chtrt5650). Problem is they getting so hot I can barely touch them, not to mention the stench... I don´t dare to change from MM to unmute a fourth time, there must be something seriously faulty here and I don´t know if the left speaker is burned for good by now. Both initially gave some scraping sound when I started fiddling around but since my last try only the right one made a sound occasionally. My question is, this chtrt5650 which I think is the sound card for the internal speakers, is there any drivers to download like "realtek" or "AC97" I can try? All I get in Sound Settings is "Dummy Output"... pavucontrol only shows 8 or 9 different HDMI options all though the output bar is moving when Youtube is playing in the background. Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work. Thanks in advance. That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has nothing to do with software. Except for the, ahem, "minor detail" that the hardware works perfectly with Chrome and that an alternative Linux .asund file fixed his problem. Linux fails again.. /////Quote/////// Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute. Quote Post by PetroL » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:04 am YEES!!! Thank you very much sir, now I have an internal speaker option and the sound works! I put the asound.state from he https://pastebin.com/c4qU9hdg in var/libs/alsa , made an "sudo alsa force-reload" and it just worked.. A big thank you again, my biggest obstacle is gone, now to find the Swedish chromebook keyboard layout for mint. EDIT: I know it sounds strange and unbelievable but the shorted speakers is a fact as stated above, tried it again earlier today and got the same issues. My left speaker is weaker than the right and after opening my chromebook the left on is damaged, the cone on it extruding circa 5 mm more then the right. Top MrEen Level 16 Posts: 6219 Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:39 pm Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute. Quote Post by MrEen » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:43 pm That's great that it worked for you! I'm still a little nervous about your speakers. If they ever blow, you can get something like this to attach external speakers with. Have fun. My sound fix tips for Linux Mint Top Post Reply 9 posts • Page 1 of 1 Return to “Sound, Multimedia, & Codecs” Jump to Board index All times are UTC-04:00 Delete cookies Contact us Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited Privacy | Terms OK By continuing to use this w ////Quote End////// Next ---- |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
On 04/01/2020 15.37, roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies wrote: I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OS will be faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine. And Linux for Chrome OS is available. I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable, polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But not a reason to complain. Regards M. I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in schools. The funny thing, ChromeOS is Linux. So your logic is flawed. |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
On 04/01/20 17:47, J.O. Aho wrote:
On 04/01/2020 15.37, roach wrote: On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies wrote: I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OSÂ* will be faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine. And Linux for Chrome OS is available. I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable, polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But not a reason to complain. Regards M. I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in schools. The funny thing, ChromeOS is Linux. maibe tainted linux ? Jaded linux ? So your logic is flawed. -- 1) Resistere, resistere, resistere. 2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato) |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
William,
That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has nothing to do with software. Not quite. If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up. Ofcourse, the same will happen when the audio signal drops to a few hertz - which is not unheard of, as that is often used to detect if there is something connected to the audio output (cheaper than a switch build into the audio jack, and will even work with a headphone extension cord). Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
On 1/4/20 9:47 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
On 04/01/2020 15.37, roach wrote: On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies wrote: I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OSÂ* will be faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine. And Linux for Chrome OS is available. I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable, polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But not a reason to complain. Regards M. I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in schools. The funny thing, ChromeOS is Linux. So your logic is flawed. ChromeOS runs on Linux, no doubt, but it is no the same as destkop Linux. It can tap into that ecosystem -- though from what I have seen few do that. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote:
William, That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has nothing to do with software. Not quite. If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up. And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view. Ofcourse, the same will happen when the audio signal drops to a few hertz - which is not unheard of, as that is often used to detect if there is something connected to the audio output (cheaper than a switch build into the audio jack, and will even work with a headphone extension cord). Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
wrote: On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote: William, That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has nothing to do with software. Not quite. If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up. And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view. You seem to keep missing the point. Per the thread: 1. Chrome OS worked fine. 2. LinuxMint overloaded the speakers and made them smoke and smell. 3. Installing an alternative .asound file found on some obscure site fixed the problem. This is a Linux problem. And it's not the first time that Linux has been destroying hardware. Linux's poor fan control has been overheating laptops for ages. https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/ |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
On 2020-01-04, roach wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote: On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote: William, That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has nothing to do with software. Not quite. If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up. And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view. You seem to keep missing the point. Per the thread: 1. Chrome OS worked fine. 2. LinuxMint overloaded the speakers and made them smoke and smell. 3. Installing an alternative .asound file found on some obscure site fixed the problem. That chromeOS has a workaround to a hardware fault is fine (they could hardly sell the system if it did not). That does not alter the fact that feeding DC through speakers is a hardware fault. That that obscure ..asound file also has a workaround to that same fault is good. But that does not make the problem a software problem. It means that software can be used to mitigate a hardware problem sometimes. This is a Linux problem. No it is a hardware problem, which as you have discovered, there is a Linux fix which is a workaround to that hardware problem. And it's not the first time that Linux has been destroying hardware. Linux's poor fan control has been overheating laptops for ages. https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/ That says nothing about poor fan control. The article states that the fan is working as hard as it can ("As the mercury rises in the summer season, the fan speed of the computer goes nuts."), but the laptop is still overheating. That is a hardware fault again. |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
wrote: On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote: William, That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has nothing to do with software. Not quite. If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up. And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view. Ofcourse, the same will happen when the audio signal drops to a few hertz - which is not unheard of, as that is often used to detect if there is something connected to the audio output (cheaper than a switch build into the audio jack, and will even work with a headphone extension cord). Regards, Rudy Wieser Believe what you wish in order to defend your precious Linux. Any person using that device and smelling it burning under Linux is going to blame Linux. Especially when the same device functions under another OS. BTW, I thought ChromeOs was Linux. Hahahahhahah! |
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On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:31:43 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
wrote: On 2020-01-04, roach wrote: On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote: On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser wrote: William, That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has nothing to do with software. Not quite. If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up. And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view. You seem to keep missing the point. Per the thread: 1. Chrome OS worked fine. 2. LinuxMint overloaded the speakers and made them smoke and smell. 3. Installing an alternative .asound file found on some obscure site fixed the problem. That chromeOS has a workaround to a hardware fault is fine (they could hardly sell the system if it did not). That does not alter the fact that feeding DC through speakers is a hardware fault. That that obscure .asound file also has a workaround to that same fault is good. But that does not make the problem a software problem. It means that software can be used to mitigate a hardware problem sometimes. This is a Linux problem. No it is a hardware problem, which as you have discovered, there is a Linux fix which is a workaround to that hardware problem. And it's not the first time that Linux has been destroying hardware. Linux's poor fan control has been overheating laptops for ages. https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/ That says nothing about poor fan control. The article states that the fan is working as hard as it can ("As the mercury rises in the summer season, the fan speed of the computer goes nuts."), but the laptop is still overheating. That is a hardware fault again. You might want to read the comments where several people state they have no problems with Windows on the same laptop. Linux loses again. |
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The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux
William,
And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view. So your defence is that when the software makes a mistake the hardware should fix it ? Interresting train of thought. But nope. If the cause of the problem is having a DC voltage delivered to the amplifier than whatever is causing that is at fault I'm afraid. Regardless of the amplifier having some kind of protection against it or not. .... Can still be a hardware fault though (not likely, but not a zero chance either), just now the hardware within the chromebook itself. Than again, my second explanation to the loudspeaker heating up is probably more plausible. Subsonic sound. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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