trying to install Win 98 onto flash but problems

I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you

Dobbins etc on 2017/01/20 wrote:

I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you

The Windows 98 newsgroups are over at ---.
..----------------------------------------'
'--- alt.comp.windows-98*
alt.windows98
microsoft.public.win98.*

On 01/20/2017 04:41 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Dobbins etc on 2017/01/20 wrote:

I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you

The Windows 98 newsgroups are over at ---.
.----------------------------------------'
'--- alt.comp.windows-98*
alt.windows98
microsoft.public.win98.*


Thanks, I checked those earlier, but most of them seemed like they've
had no activity for several years with one exception which I posted to.
I just thought that maybe someone here might have tried the same process.

In article ,
says...

On 01/20/2017 04:41 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Dobbins etc on 2017/01/20 wrote:

I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you

The Windows 98 newsgroups are over at ---.
.----------------------------------------'
'--- alt.comp.windows-98*
alt.windows98
microsoft.public.win98.*


Thanks, I checked those earlier, but most of them seemed like they've
had no activity for several years with one exception which I posted to.
I just thought that maybe someone here might have tried the same process.

I thought it basically impossible to get Windows running off a USB
stick, basically any version. I thought MS had actual built-in logic to
prevent such easy transfer of the OS to different pcs. Not saying it
can't be done, just never have seen anything to suggest it's worth the
time to even try.

On 1/20/2017 4:07 PM, pjp wrote:


I thought it basically impossible to get Windows running off a USB
stick, basically any version. I thought MS had actual built-in logic to
prevent such easy transfer of the OS to different pcs. Not saying it
can't be done, just never have seen anything to suggest it's worth the
time to even try.

Check out Hirens.
Runs XP from a flash drive just fine.

pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...
On 01/20/2017 04:41 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Dobbins etc on 2017/01/20 wrote:

I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you
The Windows 98 newsgroups are over at ---.
.----------------------------------------'
'--- alt.comp.windows-98*
alt.windows98
microsoft.public.win98.*

Thanks, I checked those earlier, but most of them seemed like they've
had no activity for several years with one exception which I posted to.
I just thought that maybe someone here might have tried the same process.

I thought it basically impossible to get Windows running off a USB
stick, basically any version. I thought MS had actual built-in logic to
prevent such easy transfer of the OS to different pcs. Not saying it
can't be done, just never have seen anything to suggest it's worth the
time to even try.

The search term is BootBusExtender.

There is an elaborate procedure to add the USB bus
to BootBusExtender support, such that the USB bus is
commissioned early in boot, and the boot process will
finish. However this might be a WinNT technology for all
I know, and not applicable to Win98.

But at least, that's what you'd start researching.

Paul

Dobbins etc wrote:
I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you

Someone the other day, bought one of these. Compact Flash is a
kind of Flash-based storage, which supports two standards.
One of the standards it supports, is regular IDE ribbon
cable access. Because CF supports that standard, it's possible
to use cheap passive adapters, to make the CF card work in
all sorts of IDE-based computers.

https://www.amazon.com/Syba-Compact-...ords=cf+to+ide

You want an adapter with:

1) 40 pin (desktop IDE connector) or 44 pin (laptop) interface.
2) Room for one or two CF cards. I would select a unit with
only a single card for starters. The dual card might
not work right, if the optical drive is also on the
same ribbon cable.
3) A Master/Slave jumper on the adapter.

The above adapter is just a sample of what you can get.

The Compact Flash card does not have to be expensive.
For really old computers, I recommend buying a small
card, to ensure you won't hit the 33GB hard drive limit
on older hardware. A small card like this, might use the
more desirable MLC or SLC flash chips, rather than the
TLC flash a 32GB card would be using. I do not recommend
installing OSes on a TLC based flash.

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Compa...ds=4GB+CF+card

So for $30 to $40 bucks, you can make an *internal* flash
boot solution for your old computer.

And if you're carrying a Win98 USB stick from computer
to computer, what use-case is there for that ? That's
like drug users sharing dirty needles :-) I don't think
if I was working at the Geek Squad, I'd be carrying
that Win98 USB stick to customer sites :-) Just
imagine what would end up on the stick. Yuck.

Paul

On 01/21/2017 01:49 AM, Paul wrote:
Dobbins etc wrote:
I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB
flash) as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after
at least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you

Someone the other day, bought one of these. Compact Flash is a
kind of Flash-based storage, which supports two standards.
One of the standards it supports, is regular IDE ribbon
cable access. Because CF supports that standard, it's possible
to use cheap passive adapters, to make the CF card work in
all sorts of IDE-based computers.

https://www.amazon.com/Syba-Compact-...ords=cf+to+ide


You want an adapter with:

1) 40 pin (desktop IDE connector) or 44 pin (laptop) interface.
2) Room for one or two CF cards. I would select a unit with
only a single card for starters. The dual card might
not work right, if the optical drive is also on the
same ribbon cable.
3) A Master/Slave jumper on the adapter.

The above adapter is just a sample of what you can get.

The Compact Flash card does not have to be expensive.
For really old computers, I recommend buying a small
card, to ensure you won't hit the 33GB hard drive limit
on older hardware. A small card like this, might use the
more desirable MLC or SLC flash chips, rather than the
TLC flash a 32GB card would be using. I do not recommend
installing OSes on a TLC based flash.

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Compa...ds=4GB+CF+card


So for $30 to $40 bucks, you can make an *internal* flash
boot solution for your old computer.

That's an interesting option, but I just came across these on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Trav...-/141792359037

Being an older laptop and not in a hurry, I decided to place an order
for one. They say "new" but who knows for sure, but not too prohibitive
a price.

I gave up trying to install '98 on the USB. Maybe some people have done
it, but it's not going to be me. I'm tempted to try on a friend's super
duper one year old laptop, but I don't think he'd like the idea of
having to take out his HD first as I don't trust the method presented
enough to NOT do this as a precaution, so I won't go any further.


And if you're carrying a Win98 USB stick from computer
to computer, what use-case is there for that ? That's
like drug users sharing dirty needles :-) I don't think
if I was working at the Geek Squad, I'd be carrying
that Win98 USB stick to customer sites :-) Just
imagine what would end up on the stick. Yuck.

Paul

Dobbins etc wrote:
On 01/21/2017 01:49 AM, Paul wrote:
Dobbins etc wrote:
I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB
flash) as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after
at least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you

Someone the other day, bought one of these. Compact Flash is a
kind of Flash-based storage, which supports two standards.
One of the standards it supports, is regular IDE ribbon
cable access. Because CF supports that standard, it's possible
to use cheap passive adapters, to make the CF card work in
all sorts of IDE-based computers.

https://www.amazon.com/Syba-Compact-...ords=cf+to+ide



You want an adapter with:

1) 40 pin (desktop IDE connector) or 44 pin (laptop) interface.
2) Room for one or two CF cards. I would select a unit with
only a single card for starters. The dual card might
not work right, if the optical drive is also on the
same ribbon cable.
3) A Master/Slave jumper on the adapter.

The above adapter is just a sample of what you can get.

The Compact Flash card does not have to be expensive.
For really old computers, I recommend buying a small
card, to ensure you won't hit the 33GB hard drive limit
on older hardware. A small card like this, might use the
more desirable MLC or SLC flash chips, rather than the
TLC flash a 32GB card would be using. I do not recommend
installing OSes on a TLC based flash.

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Compa...ds=4GB+CF+card



So for $30 to $40 bucks, you can make an *internal* flash
boot solution for your old computer.

That's an interesting option, but I just came across these on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Trav...-/141792359037


Being an older laptop and not in a hurry, I decided to place an order
for one. They say "new" but who knows for sure, but not too prohibitive
a price.

I gave up trying to install '98 on the USB. Maybe some people have done
it, but it's not going to be me. I'm tempted to try on a friend's super
duper one year old laptop, but I don't think he'd like the idea of
having to take out his HD first as I don't trust the method presented
enough to NOT do this as a precaution, so I won't go any further.


And if you're carrying a Win98 USB stick from computer
to computer, what use-case is there for that ? That's
like drug users sharing dirty needles :-) I don't think
if I was working at the Geek Squad, I'd be carrying
that Win98 USB stick to customer sites :-) Just
imagine what would end up on the stick. Yuck.

Paul


One advantage of the CF stick, is a low low seek time.

That would make a big difference compared to a 4200RPM drive.

I wouldn't try to sell you on a CF solution, if there was a
lot of regular writing going on. The CF is good if you're
mainly reading from the CF. For example, if you had a
computer from the year 2000 running a milling machine
and not connected to the Internet, such a device might make
a good boot drive to get it running every morning.

But if you were downloading a ton of files every day, then
your HDD purchase makes more sense. As writes have
relatively little impact on the life of a HDD. I've had
a couple TLC-based flash devices die after a year of usage,
and there wasn't really that much writing going on.

Paul

On 01/21/2017 09:19 AM, Paul wrote:
Dobbins etc wrote:
On 01/21/2017 01:49 AM, Paul wrote:
Dobbins etc wrote:
I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB
flash) as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after
at least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you

Someone the other day, bought one of these. Compact Flash is a
kind of Flash-based storage, which supports two standards.
One of the standards it supports, is regular IDE ribbon
cable access. Because CF supports that standard, it's possible
to use cheap passive adapters, to make the CF card work in
all sorts of IDE-based computers.

https://www.amazon.com/Syba-Compact-...ords=cf+to+ide



You want an adapter with:

1) 40 pin (desktop IDE connector) or 44 pin (laptop) interface.
2) Room for one or two CF cards. I would select a unit with
only a single card for starters. The dual card might
not work right, if the optical drive is also on the
same ribbon cable.
3) A Master/Slave jumper on the adapter.

The above adapter is just a sample of what you can get.

The Compact Flash card does not have to be expensive.
For really old computers, I recommend buying a small
card, to ensure you won't hit the 33GB hard drive limit
on older hardware. A small card like this, might use the
more desirable MLC or SLC flash chips, rather than the
TLC flash a 32GB card would be using. I do not recommend
installing OSes on a TLC based flash.

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Compa...ds=4GB+CF+card



So for $30 to $40 bucks, you can make an *internal* flash
boot solution for your old computer.

That's an interesting option, but I just came across these on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Trav...-/141792359037


Being an older laptop and not in a hurry, I decided to place an order
for one. They say "new" but who knows for sure, but not too
prohibitive a price.

I gave up trying to install '98 on the USB. Maybe some people have
done it, but it's not going to be me. I'm tempted to try on a
friend's super duper one year old laptop, but I don't think he'd like
the idea of having to take out his HD first as I don't trust the
method presented enough to NOT do this as a precaution, so I won't go
any further.


And if you're carrying a Win98 USB stick from computer
to computer, what use-case is there for that ? That's
like drug users sharing dirty needles :-) I don't think
if I was working at the Geek Squad, I'd be carrying
that Win98 USB stick to customer sites :-) Just
imagine what would end up on the stick. Yuck.

Paul


One advantage of the CF stick, is a low low seek time.

That would make a big difference compared to a 4200RPM drive.

I suppose the CF would act like an SSD.


I wouldn't try to sell you on a CF solution, if there was a
lot of regular writing going on. The CF is good if you're
mainly reading from the CF. For example, if you had a
computer from the year 2000 running a milling machine
and not connected to the Internet, such a device might make
a good boot drive to get it running every morning.

But if you were downloading a ton of files every day, then
your HDD purchase makes more sense. As writes have
relatively little impact on the life of a HDD. I've had
a couple TLC-based flash devices die after a year of usage,
and there wasn't really that much writing going on.


The system will have heavy HD usage. I suppose if I wanted to be
adventurous I could install the main OS on the CF and then any writing
done to a slave HD, but I'm not going to bother with his aging machine.

Paul