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Making a SATA drive the boot drive
"Sam" wrote...
I don't get a "press Ctl+C" when booting up. It's not ctl/c, it's F6. Press F6 when it prompts you for SCSI / RAID drivers. He's looking for the SATA controller BIOS here... |
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Making a SATA drive the boot drive
Sometime on, or about Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:49:02 -0800, John R Weiss wrote:
"Sam" wrote... I don't get a "press Ctl+C" when booting up. It's not ctl/c, it's F6. Press F6 when it prompts you for SCSI / RAID drivers. He's looking for the SATA controller BIOS here... But if he has just one drive, why would he need to access it? I thought that was for setting up RAID. Sam -- To mail me, please get rid of the BS first |
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Making a SATA drive the boot drive
"Sam" wrote...
He's looking for the SATA controller BIOS here... But if he has just one drive, why would he need to access it? I thought that was for setting up RAID. Because some (if not all) SATA RAID controllers require the drive setup be defined in BIOS, regardless of the number of drives connected. |
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Im afraid i have to disagree Rick, you do not need two drives to make SATA
work, only if you want to use RAID. After much fuss i have managed to clone my original PATA HDD onto my SATA, and then rebooted, removing the IDE drive. Windows starts to successfully boot, and gets as far as the blue "Welcome" screen, then does nothing. Any suggestions or ideas? |
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You probably will have to update/repair
your Windows installation. (Depending on your BIOS/Mainb oard you may have to have your SATA drivers on a disquette, for the SATA Hd to be recognized.) Do not choose first instance of « repair » option. After you get to Install Windows, you should be offered that choice. It worked for me. "joey" a écrit dans le message de news: ... Im afraid i have to disagree Rick, you do not need two drives to make SATA work, only if you want to use RAID. After much fuss i have managed to clone my original PATA HDD onto my SATA, and then rebooted, removing the IDE drive. Windows starts to successfully boot, and gets as far as the blue "Welcome" screen, then does nothing. Any suggestions or ideas? |
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I agree that you must do a "repair" installation. This will permit you to
do the F6-thing and give the XP setup routines drivers for the SATA controller. Unlike palin IDE (ATA) disks, XP has no native support for SATA. Note that the drivers are for the controller, not for the disk, so they come from the motherboard maker, not the disk maker. They must be on a floppy. If they are on a CD, copy them to a floppy. If you have no floppy, get one; XP is not flexible in this area. It is usually worth reading the motherboard manual AND the readme.txt file that often comes with the drivers. In the case of my motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) I had to not only copy the drivers and INF files, but something called "TXTSETUP.OEM". Links about repairing XP (i.e., repair installation): http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;315341 http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...a=23979,00.asp "joey" wrote in message ... Im afraid i have to disagree Rick, you do not need two drives to make SATA work, only if you want to use RAID. After much fuss i have managed to clone my original PATA HDD onto my SATA, and then rebooted, removing the IDE drive. Windows starts to successfully boot, and gets as far as the blue "Welcome" screen, then does nothing. Any suggestions or ideas? |
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I agree with all above. My Abit NF7 came with the Silicon Image 3112/3114
drivers on a seperate floppy which I shoved in (having pressed F6 when promted during XP Pro installation) - and no probs. I suggest that you go to your mobo site to get the right disk. If you search the web you should be able to find a file set that you can copy onto a floppy. Hope this helps (from a non-expert!!!!) Nick "Bob Harris" wrote in message ... I agree that you must do a "repair" installation. This will permit you to do the F6-thing and give the XP setup routines drivers for the SATA controller. Unlike palin IDE (ATA) disks, XP has no native support for SATA. Note that the drivers are for the controller, not for the disk, so they come from the motherboard maker, not the disk maker. They must be on a floppy. If they are on a CD, copy them to a floppy. If you have no floppy, get one; XP is not flexible in this area. It is usually worth reading the motherboard manual AND the readme.txt file that often comes with the drivers. In the case of my motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) I had to not only copy the drivers and INF files, but something called "TXTSETUP.OEM". Links about repairing XP (i.e., repair installation): http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;315341 http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...a=23979,00.asp "joey" wrote in message ... Im afraid i have to disagree Rick, you do not need two drives to make SATA work, only if you want to use RAID. After much fuss i have managed to clone my original PATA HDD onto my SATA, and then rebooted, removing the IDE drive. Windows starts to successfully boot, and gets as far as the blue "Welcome" screen, then does nothing. Any suggestions or ideas? |
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I have set up RAID sets of various types of motherboards many times in the past and have had NO significant problems but this time I am experiencing VERY severe problems with this model of ASUS motherboard. I have a quantity of 10 identical boards, each has 3 gigabytes of memory, an Athlon XP 3000+ processor, ATI 9800 All in Wonder video card AND for hard drives each has two identical IBM, now HITACHI, HDS722525VLSA80 Serial ATA hard drives, these are 250 GB serial ATA drives with 8 megabytes of cache. I noticed some very difficult problems while attempting to set up my first system. I checked to see if the same problems existed on two other boards and they all turned out to have the same problems. I am NOT going to bother to check all 7 other boards, I assume that the problem is the same with each one. I am going to make this discussion extremely clear with eacting references to what is in the motherboard reference manual and the EXACT messages that I see on the screen when I attempt to follow steps. On this particular model of board when you want to have RAID 0 or RAID 1 you must enable the Serial ATA jumper as noted in Section 2.6.6 on page 2-17 of the motherbaord manual. Failure to take this step will not allow the Silicon Image 3112 controller chip to be active. This step is completed properly. Next, when you boot up, you will see the following message on the screen: SiI 3112A SATARaid BIOS Version 4.2.47 Copyright (C) 1997-2004 Silicon Image, Inc. Press Ctrl S or F4 to enter RAID utility When I press either Ctrl S or F4 REPEATEDLY this does NOT allow me to enter the RAID Configuration Utility except for 1 out of approximately 10 boot up attempts. On the one out of 10 times that I am able to enter the RAID Configuration Utility, the RAID Configuration Utility does not recognize the presence of the two drives that are present. Only one drive is recognized as being present. Creating a RAID Set does not work because only one drive is recognized as being present and if you select Resolve Conflicts you get the message that there are not any conflicts. I do not know why the RAID Configuration Utility (see Section 5.5.2 on page 5-14 of the motherboard manual) does NOT seem to work as shown or work in a way that I KNOW it should work. I know that each one of these drives and the associated cables and power supply (fancy model from PC Power and Cooling) are working perfectly since I have tested them on other working systems. What I do not know yet is whether or not there is some inherent problem with IBM/Hitachi drives or whether or not this drive size is too large for this RAID controller chip or what. The system does recognize the one drive properly. I have not had a chance to use a smaller size in GB IBM/Hitachi matched pair or a matched pair of drives from another manufacturer such as Seagate. I do not use Maxtor drives and I DEFINITELY do NOT use Western Digital drives. If I attempt to load Windows XP Professional SP2 on the 1 SATA drive that is recognized I can do this by pressing S and having a setup disk in the floppy drive that has drivers for the Silicon Image 3112 controller chip. Windows XP Professional sees the 2 drives as separate drives and you can format each one individually but each one is separate and you can load the operating system on only one drive and the Windows XP does not see the two drives as one drive with an approximate size of 500 gigabytes. The installation has never completed properly after multiple tweakings. After the installation thinks that it is complete (but it never completed properly) I CANNOT boot from the drive onto which I installed the operating system. Here is what the screen looks like: Windows XP Professional Setup The following list shows the existing partitions and unpartitioned space on this computer. Use the UP and Down ARROW keys to select an item in the list. *To set up Windows XP on the selected item, press ENTER. *To create a partition in the unpartitioned space, press C. *To delete the selected partition, press D. 239367 MB Disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 0 on si3112r [MBR] C: Partition1 [NTFS] 239359 MB (239287 MB free) Unpartitioned space 8 MB 239367 MB Disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 1 on si3112r [MBR] D: Partition1 [NTFS] 239359 MB (239287 MB free) Unpartitioned space 8 MB If I leave the 2 SATA drives alone and place an IDE drive on the primary IDE drive controller and load the operating system on the IDE drive after I load all appropriate drivers I can see the 2 separate SATA drives and I can load programs and data on them and I can partition them and do whatever I want with them, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THESE 10 SYSTEMS. I want the operating system, all programs and all data to appear on the 2 SATA drives as a STRIPED RAID set. I am sending a copy of this discussion of problems to both ASUS and Silicon Image. If there is anyone out there who has some information about what is going on with this particular model of board and the problems that I am facing I would like to hear about it. I want to know if this is a defective product that I cannot get to work properly no matter what I do. I DO NOT want to have to spend 10 hours of my time looking at the BIOS only to independently determine that there is some insurrmountable problem that will keep me from having a FUNCTIONAL STRIPED RAID SET. -- Chris PLACAK ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris PLACAK's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=7291 View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=29404 Visit - http://forums.techarena.in/archive/index.php/ | http://www.techarena.in |
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You have 10 identical M/B's from Asus. What model? Since they have 50-100
(or more) different boards over the years this may be important information to anyone who may be able to assist you. -- Regards, Richard Urban If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Chris PLACAK" wrote in message ... I have set up RAID sets of various types of motherboards many times in the past and have had NO significant problems but this time I am experiencing VERY severe problems with this model of ASUS motherboard. I have a quantity of 10 identical boards, each has 3 gigabytes of memory, an Athlon XP 3000+ processor, ATI 9800 All in Wonder video card AND for hard drives each has two identical IBM, now HITACHI, HDS722525VLSA80 Serial ATA hard drives, these are 250 GB serial ATA drives with 8 megabytes of cache. I noticed some very difficult problems while attempting to set up my first system. I checked to see if the same problems existed on two other boards and they all turned out to have the same problems. I am NOT going to bother to check all 7 other boards, I assume that the problem is the same with each one. I am going to make this discussion extremely clear with eacting references to what is in the motherboard reference manual and the EXACT messages that I see on the screen when I attempt to follow steps. On this particular model of board when you want to have RAID 0 or RAID 1 you must enable the Serial ATA jumper as noted in Section 2.6.6 on page 2-17 of the motherbaord manual. Failure to take this step will not allow the Silicon Image 3112 controller chip to be active. This step is completed properly. Next, when you boot up, you will see the following message on the screen: SiI 3112A SATARaid BIOS Version 4.2.47 Copyright (C) 1997-2004 Silicon Image, Inc. Press Ctrl S or F4 to enter RAID utility When I press either Ctrl S or F4 REPEATEDLY this does NOT allow me to enter the RAID Configuration Utility except for 1 out of approximately 10 boot up attempts. On the one out of 10 times that I am able to enter the RAID Configuration Utility, the RAID Configuration Utility does not recognize the presence of the two drives that are present. Only one drive is recognized as being present. Creating a RAID Set does not work because only one drive is recognized as being present and if you select Resolve Conflicts you get the message that there are not any conflicts. I do not know why the RAID Configuration Utility (see Section 5.5.2 on page 5-14 of the motherboard manual) does NOT seem to work as shown or work in a way that I KNOW it should work. I know that each one of these drives and the associated cables and power supply (fancy model from PC Power and Cooling) are working perfectly since I have tested them on other working systems. What I do not know yet is whether or not there is some inherent problem with IBM/Hitachi drives or whether or not this drive size is too large for this RAID controller chip or what. The system does recognize the one drive properly. I have not had a chance to use a smaller size in GB IBM/Hitachi matched pair or a matched pair of drives from another manufacturer such as Seagate. I do not use Maxtor drives and I DEFINITELY do NOT use Western Digital drives. If I attempt to load Windows XP Professional SP2 on the 1 SATA drive that is recognized I can do this by pressing S and having a setup disk in the floppy drive that has drivers for the Silicon Image 3112 controller chip. Windows XP Professional sees the 2 drives as separate drives and you can format each one individually but each one is separate and you can load the operating system on only one drive and the Windows XP does not see the two drives as one drive with an approximate size of 500 gigabytes. The installation has never completed properly after multiple tweakings. After the installation thinks that it is complete (but it never completed properly) I CANNOT boot from the drive onto which I installed the operating system. Here is what the screen looks like: Windows XP Professional Setup The following list shows the existing partitions and unpartitioned space on this computer. Use the UP and Down ARROW keys to select an item in the list. *To set up Windows XP on the selected item, press ENTER. *To create a partition in the unpartitioned space, press C. *To delete the selected partition, press D. 239367 MB Disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 0 on si3112r [MBR] C: Partition1 [NTFS] 239359 MB (239287 MB free) Unpartitioned space 8 MB 239367 MB Disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 1 on si3112r [MBR] D: Partition1 [NTFS] 239359 MB (239287 MB free) Unpartitioned space 8 MB If I leave the 2 SATA drives alone and place an IDE drive on the primary IDE drive controller and load the operating system on the IDE drive after I load all appropriate drivers I can see the 2 separate SATA drives and I can load programs and data on them and I can partition them and do whatever I want with them, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THESE 10 SYSTEMS. I want the operating system, all programs and all data to appear on the 2 SATA drives as a STRIPED RAID set. I am sending a copy of this discussion of problems to both ASUS and Silicon Image. If there is anyone out there who has some information about what is going on with this particular model of board and the problems that I am facing I would like to hear about it. I want to know if this is a defective product that I cannot get to work properly no matter what I do. I DO NOT want to have to spend 10 hours of my time looking at the BIOS only to independently determine that there is some insurrmountable problem that will keep me from having a FUNCTIONAL STRIPED RAID SET. -- Chris PLACAK ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris PLACAK's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=7291 View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=29404 Visit - http://forums.techarena.in/archive/index.php/ | http://www.techarena.in |
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Apart from mobo, model/version which you dont mention
Asus have had problems with Sil and bios versions on at least one mobo that I know about, apparently cured by a bios update. Niether do you mention whether you are using the Assus supplied Sil driver, or driver direct from Sil. "Chris PLACAK" wrote in message ... I have set up RAID sets of various types of motherboards many times in the past and have had NO significant problems but this time I am experiencing VERY severe problems with this model of ASUS motherboard. I have a quantity of 10 identical boards, each has 3 gigabytes of memory, an Athlon XP 3000+ processor, ATI 9800 All in Wonder video card AND for hard drives each has two identical IBM, now HITACHI, HDS722525VLSA80 Serial ATA hard drives, these are 250 GB serial ATA drives with 8 megabytes of cache. I noticed some very difficult problems while attempting to set up my first system. I checked to see if the same problems existed on two other boards and they all turned out to have the same problems. I am NOT going to bother to check all 7 other boards, I assume that the problem is the same with each one. I am going to make this discussion extremely clear with eacting references to what is in the motherboard reference manual and the EXACT messages that I see on the screen when I attempt to follow steps. On this particular model of board when you want to have RAID 0 or RAID 1 you must enable the Serial ATA jumper as noted in Section 2.6.6 on page 2-17 of the motherbaord manual. Failure to take this step will not allow the Silicon Image 3112 controller chip to be active. This step is completed properly. Next, when you boot up, you will see the following message on the screen: SiI 3112A SATARaid BIOS Version 4.2.47 Copyright (C) 1997-2004 Silicon Image, Inc. Press Ctrl S or F4 to enter RAID utility When I press either Ctrl S or F4 REPEATEDLY this does NOT allow me to enter the RAID Configuration Utility except for 1 out of approximately 10 boot up attempts. On the one out of 10 times that I am able to enter the RAID Configuration Utility, the RAID Configuration Utility does not recognize the presence of the two drives that are present. Only one drive is recognized as being present. Creating a RAID Set does not work because only one drive is recognized as being present and if you select Resolve Conflicts you get the message that there are not any conflicts. I do not know why the RAID Configuration Utility (see Section 5.5.2 on page 5-14 of the motherboard manual) does NOT seem to work as shown or work in a way that I KNOW it should work. I know that each one of these drives and the associated cables and power supply (fancy model from PC Power and Cooling) are working perfectly since I have tested them on other working systems. What I do not know yet is whether or not there is some inherent problem with IBM/Hitachi drives or whether or not this drive size is too large for this RAID controller chip or what. The system does recognize the one drive properly. I have not had a chance to use a smaller size in GB IBM/Hitachi matched pair or a matched pair of drives from another manufacturer such as Seagate. I do not use Maxtor drives and I DEFINITELY do NOT use Western Digital drives. If I attempt to load Windows XP Professional SP2 on the 1 SATA drive that is recognized I can do this by pressing S and having a setup disk in the floppy drive that has drivers for the Silicon Image 3112 controller chip. Windows XP Professional sees the 2 drives as separate drives and you can format each one individually but each one is separate and you can load the operating system on only one drive and the Windows XP does not see the two drives as one drive with an approximate size of 500 gigabytes. The installation has never completed properly after multiple tweakings. After the installation thinks that it is complete (but it never completed properly) I CANNOT boot from the drive onto which I installed the operating system. Here is what the screen looks like: Windows XP Professional Setup The following list shows the existing partitions and unpartitioned space on this computer. Use the UP and Down ARROW keys to select an item in the list. *To set up Windows XP on the selected item, press ENTER. *To create a partition in the unpartitioned space, press C. *To delete the selected partition, press D. 239367 MB Disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 0 on si3112r [MBR] C: Partition1 [NTFS] 239359 MB (239287 MB free) Unpartitioned space 8 MB 239367 MB Disk 0 at Id 0 on bus 1 on si3112r [MBR] D: Partition1 [NTFS] 239359 MB (239287 MB free) Unpartitioned space 8 MB If I leave the 2 SATA drives alone and place an IDE drive on the primary IDE drive controller and load the operating system on the IDE drive after I load all appropriate drivers I can see the 2 separate SATA drives and I can load programs and data on them and I can partition them and do whatever I want with them, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THESE 10 SYSTEMS. I want the operating system, all programs and all data to appear on the 2 SATA drives as a STRIPED RAID set. I am sending a copy of this discussion of problems to both ASUS and Silicon Image. If there is anyone out there who has some information about what is going on with this particular model of board and the problems that I am facing I would like to hear about it. I want to know if this is a defective product that I cannot get to work properly no matter what I do. I DO NOT want to have to spend 10 hours of my time looking at the BIOS only to independently determine that there is some insurrmountable problem that will keep me from having a FUNCTIONAL STRIPED RAID SET. -- Chris PLACAK ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris PLACAK's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=7291 View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=29404 Visit - http://forums.techarena.in/archive/index.php/ | http://www.techarena.in |
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