Downgrading from Win 8

On 2013-11-16 12:47 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:50:21 -0500, WireTalk

I did not like Windows 8.0, I have to admit. I despised it. But I
really like working with Windows 8.1 and have fun setting things the
way I want them.


Interesting! But again, my view is different from yours. To me, 8.1 is
nearly identical to 8, and I like them equally.

Ken, Wiretalk is a "sig bomber", not a person
interested in OSes :-(

Look at the pattern of Wiretalk postings,
if you need more proof.

Apparently, AIOE has no sig bomber filter.
Congrats to Wiretalk, for figuring that out.

Paul

Yes and no. YES, I admit I sig bomb a bit. But I have often - often -
participated in divers windows groups - and even C.O.L.A. - over the
years since the 1990s. I've gone by different handles of course.

I've been away from Usenet for the past while though. My Dad has become
severely disabled and I have to do a fair bit of care of my Mom too. So
over the past while there's been a demand on my time.

Just recently, I was able to offer for sale a software program I wrote
via my company. I decided Usenet might be a good place to announce its
existence, so I have no qualms about putting it in the sig. Many other
people put a company name or some such in their sigs, why shouldn't I?

But yes, I admit to *very* limited relevant posting of Christian groups
to get the word out on a topic that should be of interest to many of them.

But while doing that, I decided to visit the windows 8.x group .. but
then the ol' I can't help but comment feeling took hold and I'm
participating again. That's the about the sum of it. I enjoy using
Windows and I like posting in Windows groups. I've installed Windows,
literally, over a thousand times. And I've worked as a tech freelance
briefly. I also read all manner of books and material on Windows. And
can program on Windows to some extent.

But as for 'figuring out' AIOE? NO,I have no idea how AIOE works. I was
hoping the tiny little bit of promotion I do wouldn't be a burden on
Usenet and that no one would bat an eye.

WireTalk

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WireTalk wrote:


Yes and no. YES, I admit I sig bomb a bit.

I'm wired to detect that sort of thing. Sorry.

The reason it's a problem, is once I know you're doing
it, I notice how it disrupts the thread and spoils
the concentration on the topic at hand. It
even throws some of the respondents into the weeds,
as they take your comment seriously. Like,
"troll country".

In the same way we'd slap a poster for doing
twenty posts with "Me too" in it. If someone
specifically asks if another person has seen
something similar, a "Me too" is fair play. But
just bombing a thread for the hell of it, no.

A true sig bomber, each posting contains
a single sentence in the message body, only
vaguely related to the topic. The sentence can't
be too crazy, to attract suspicion. The reason
only a single sentence is used, is so they can
type more posts that way. Like dump twenty of them
in ten minutes.

There is one guy who regularly promotes his
web site, doing sig bombs. But he only visits
every three months or so. It's still annoying.

Paul

On 2013-11-16 12:23 PM, Paul wrote:
WireTalk wrote:


Yes and no. YES, I admit I sig bomb a bit.

I'm wired to detect that sort of thing. Sorry.

The reason it's a problem, is once I know you're doing
it, I notice how it disrupts the thread and spoils
the concentration on the topic at hand. It
even throws some of the respondents into the weeds,
as they take your comment seriously. Like,
"troll country".

In the same way we'd slap a poster for doing
twenty posts with "Me too" in it. If someone
specifically asks if another person has seen
something similar, a "Me too" is fair play. But
just bombing a thread for the hell of it, no.

A true sig bomber, each posting contains
a single sentence in the message body, only
vaguely related to the topic. The sentence can't
be too crazy, to attract suspicion. The reason
only a single sentence is used, is so they can
type more posts that way. Like dump twenty of them
in ten minutes.

There is one guy who regularly promotes his
web site, doing sig bombs. But he only visits
every three months or so. It's still annoying.

Paul

I've been careless too .. suddenly showing up yet paying no attention to
the date of a post etc. 'Will try to be more careful.

"Sig bomber" is a good term .. did you coin it yourself?

WireTalk

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:23:12 -0500, Paul wrote:

A true sig bomber, each posting contains
a single sentence in the message body, only
vaguely related to the topic. The sentence can't
be too crazy, to attract suspicion. The reason
only a single sentence is used, is so they can
type more posts that way. Like dump twenty of them
in ten minutes.


Ah, so a sig bomber is someone with essentially no useful content in
his short message, and his message is there only so his signature
advertisement, religious proselytizing, whatever) can be seen?

Yes, what you say makes sense, and it seems that that's what WireTalk
is. Unless he stops his proselytizing, and stops his ignorant
erroneous technical postings, he will soon be in my kill file.

On 2013-11-16 1:09 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:23:12 -0500, Paul wrote:

A true sig bomber, each posting contains
a single sentence in the message body, only
vaguely related to the topic. The sentence can't
be too crazy, to attract suspicion. The reason
only a single sentence is used, is so they can
type more posts that way. Like dump twenty of them
in ten minutes.


Ah, so a sig bomber is someone with essentially no useful content in
his short message, and his message is there only so his signature
advertisement, religious proselytizing, whatever) can be seen?

Yes, what you say makes sense, and it seems that that's what WireTalk
is. Unless he stops his proselytizing, and stops his ignorant
erroneous technical postings, he will soon be in my kill file.


To be honest with you, AFAICT, I haven't made any technical errors yet.
Perhaps I've expressed a difference opinion you do not agree with, but
any technical answers I've made to OPs have been technically correct. I
always double-check by walking through the steps myself *before* posting.

So if it is my opinions you think are erroneous, fine. But if I have
made a technical error so far, please point it out because I would like
to know.

WireTalk

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 13:27:11 -0500, WireTalk
wrote:

On 2013-11-16 1:09 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:23:12 -0500, Paul wrote:

A true sig bomber, each posting contains
a single sentence in the message body, only
vaguely related to the topic. The sentence can't
be too crazy, to attract suspicion. The reason
only a single sentence is used, is so they can
type more posts that way. Like dump twenty of them
in ten minutes.


Ah, so a sig bomber is someone with essentially no useful content in
his short message, and his message is there only so his signature
advertisement, religious proselytizing, whatever) can be seen?

Yes, what you say makes sense, and it seems that that's what WireTalk
is. Unless he stops his proselytizing, and stops his ignorant
erroneous technical postings, he will soon be in my kill file.


To be honest with you, AFAICT, I haven't made any technical errors yet.
Perhaps I've expressed a difference opinion you do not agree with, but
any technical answers I've made to OPs have been technically correct. I
always double-check by walking through the steps myself *before* posting.

So if it is my opinions you think are erroneous, fine. But if I have
made a technical error so far, please point it out because I would like
to know.


OK, I'll be generous to you and call most of what I called "erroneous"
a difference of opinions. But erroneous opinions that are technical in
nature are essentially technical errors (such as "I hated Windows 8.0
too. But for some reason I really like Windows 8.1 and won't call it
that. The thing that bugged me most is (Start Button)." )

Putting the start orb back the way Microsoft did it fixed next to
nothing. It's back, but barely back, since it does only a fraction of
what the Windows 7 start orb did.


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And please note that the purpose of a signature is to identify the
poster, not for your religious proselytizing, advertising your web
site, or anything else. This is a Windows 8 newsgroup, not a religious
one. I don't care how short your signature is, either dump the
proselytizing or get killfiled.

On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:09:22 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
Yes, what you say makes sense, and it seems that that's what WireTalk
is. Unless he stops his proselytizing, and stops his ignorant
erroneous technical postings, he will soon be in my kill file.


He's already in mine. Life is too short.

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http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:23:12 -0500, Paul wrote:

The reason it's a problem, is once I know you're doing
it, I notice how it disrupts the thread and spoils
the concentration on the topic at hand. It
even throws some of the respondents into the weeds,
as they take your comment seriously. Like,
"troll country".

It is possible to pretty much ignore posts from people that offend.

I won't mention any names at the moment, of course :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 11/15/2013 12:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:50:21 -0500, WireTalk
wrote:
Nice. The thing about Windows - including Windows 8.1 - is that it is so
tweakable and customizable - and all about 3rd party software. If you
want something changed, there's usually a way to do it.

My view is different from yours. One of the things I like the least
about Windows (and other Microsoft software) is that it is nowhere
customizable enough for my taste. Yes, there is often third-party
software that lets you set things the way you want them, but in my
view, those choices should be built into Windows. And there are often
things I want changed that I can't do even with third-party software.

Wow, really? How in the world could Microsoft or anybody else create
software to satisfy everybody? That plan never works and Microsoft would
be out of business in no time if they thought that way.

And one of the greatest things about Microsoft, is that it has one of
the largest third party support bar none. And I see this as a win for
everybody. I have seen so many great products fail because they never
had enough third party support to keep it going.

And what things do you want to change that even third party software
can't do? If you want a big change in Windows, I use Aston Shell v2 on
many of my computers. So it doesn't matter if I am using XP, Vista, or
Windows 8.x, they all look and act the very same. Although sometimes I
do use the stock Windows desktop too. As I don't want to feel lost when
I do use it.

I did not like Windows 8.0, I have to admit. I despised it. But I really
like working with Windows 8.1 and have fun setting things the way I want
them.

Interesting! But again, my view is different from yours. To me, 8.1 is
nearly identical to 8, and I like them equally.

I never got interested in 8.1 for some reason. But what I have seen of
8.1, there isn't much to get excited about. I also hear a lot about how
Windows 8.x is more geared towards tablets than with desktops/laptops. I
don't see that either. As I see it working well on just about anything.
Heck I am using a tablet right now with a Windows 8 keyboard (Logitech
K400r) and I never feel the need to touch the screen for anything. As I
can do everything with this keyboard alone. And it is either just as
easy or easier than just using the touch screen.

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Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 8 Professional

BillW50 BillW50 aol.kom wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

My view is different from yours. One of the things I like the
least about Windows (and other Microsoft software) is that it
is nowhere customizable enough for my taste. Yes, there is
often third-party software that lets you set things the way you
want them, but in my view, those choices should be built into
Windows. And there are often things I want changed that I can't
do even with third-party software.

Wow, really? How in the world could Microsoft or anybody else
create software to satisfy everybody?

How about simply including the things that they included with
prior versions of Windows? Like customizing fonts and colors using
a small graphic, like it was in Windows XP. Gradient title bars?

If you choose a high contrast color scheme in Windows 8 because
you want white text on a black background (that you can't get with
a normal theme), windows in Windows 8 look like **** and there is
no way to make the interface look half decent except maybe with
third-party payware.

On 12/29/2013 12:54 PM, John Doe wrote:
BillW50BillW50 aol.kom wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

My view is different from yours. One of the things I like the
least about Windows (and other Microsoft software) is that it
is nowhere customizable enough for my taste. Yes, there is
often third-party software that lets you set things the way you
want them, but in my view, those choices should be built into
Windows. And there are often things I want changed that I can't
do even with third-party software.

Wow, really? How in the world could Microsoft or anybody else
create software to satisfy everybody?

How about simply including the things that they included with
prior versions of Windows? Like customizing fonts and colors using
a small graphic, like it was in Windows XP. Gradient title bars?

If you choose a high contrast color scheme in Windows 8 because
you want white text on a black background (that you can't get with
a normal theme), windows in Windows 8 look like **** and there is
no way to make the interface look half decent except maybe with
third-party payware.

I see nothing wrong with third party payware. I never personally charged
anything for the software I ever wrote, but I don't have a problem with
those that do. Although since I use many different computers which I am
the soul user, I wish more would sell a per user license instead of a
per computer license.

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Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 8 Professional

"John Doe" wrote in message ...


How about simply including the things that they included with
prior versions of Windows? Like customizing fonts and colors using
a small graphic, like it was in Windows XP. Gradient title bars?


Quite a few things have changed...the most significant driving 'what's no
longer there' is the target audience. The XP user (primarily desktop based)
has increasingly diminished importance in favor of functionality across
multiple devices and architecture. If the end user wants to change
something not configurable - find or buy an app.

Like XP that user base unless adaptive is also seen as deprecated.

Neglecting its customers in search of more monopoly power is
something another antitrust trial would fix in a big hurry.

This thing needs a real newsreader...

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"John Doe" wrote in message news:l9pr4l$71u$1 dont-email.me...


How about simply including the things that they included with
prior versions of Windows? Like customizing fonts and colors using
a small graphic, like it was in Windows XP. Gradient title bars?


Quite a few things have changed...the most significant driving 'what's no
longer there' is the target audience. The XP user (primarily desktop based)
has increasingly diminished importance in favor of functionality across
multiple devices and architecture. If the end user wants to change
something not configurable - find or buy an app.

Like XP that user base unless adaptive is also seen as deprecated.

On 12/30/2013 3:10 AM, John Doe wrote:
Neglecting its customers in search of more monopoly power is
something another antitrust trial would fix in a big hurry.

Naw... those antitrust trials never work well and the end users end up
getting burned. Take that EU trial against Microsoft and fined them what
like 500 million or something? Sure Microsoft had to write the check,
but who really pays for it? We do! Microsoft just adds it to the cost of
their products.

And the EU thought they did a good thing and forced Microsoft to
unbundle the Media Player from Windows. Sounds like a good thing, but
only about 3000 copies of this unbundled Windows were ever sold. What a
total waste of time and money that trial was and everybody but us wins!

This thing needs a real newsreader...

Naw... just let the third party developers compete for the best
newsreader for Windows. As anything that Microsoft could develop today
as a newsreader just wouldn't be any good anyway. So why bother?

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Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 8 Professional

BillW50 posted this:
On 11/15/2013 12:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:50:21 -0500, WireTalk
wrote:
Nice. The thing about Windows - including Windows 8.1 - is that it is
so tweakable and customizable - and all about 3rd party software. If
you want something changed, there's usually a way to do it.

My view is different from yours. One of the things I like the least
about Windows (and other Microsoft software) is that it is nowhere
customizable enough for my taste. Yes, there is often third-party
software that lets you set things the way you want them, but in my
view, those choices should be built into Windows. And there are often
things I want changed that I can't do even with third-party software.

Wow, really? How in the world could Microsoft or anybody else create
software to satisfy everybody? That plan never works and Microsoft would
be out of business in no time if they thought that way.

And one of the greatest things about Microsoft, is that it has one of
the largest third party support bar none. And I see this as a win for
everybody. I have seen so many great products fail because they never
had enough third party support to keep it going.

And what things do you want to change that even third party software
can't do? If you want a big change in Windows, I use Aston Shell v2 on
many of my computers. So it doesn't matter if I am using XP, Vista, or
Windows 8.x, they all look and act the very same. Although sometimes I
do use the stock Windows desktop too. As I don't want to feel lost when
I do use it.

I did not like Windows 8.0, I have to admit. I despised it. But I
really like working with Windows 8.1 and have fun setting things the
way I want them.

Interesting! But again, my view is different from yours. To me, 8.1 is
nearly identical to 8, and I like them equally.

I never got interested in 8.1 for some reason. But what I have seen of
8.1, there isn't much to get excited about. I also hear a lot about how
Windows 8.x is more geared towards tablets than with desktops/laptops. I
don't see that either. As I see it working well on just about anything.
Heck I am using a tablet right now with a Windows 8 keyboard (Logitech
K400r) and I never feel the need to touch the screen for anything. As I
can do everything with this keyboard alone. And it is either just as
easy or easier than just using the touch screen.

The rationale I've used to justify a need to familarize msyelf wtih teh
Mcirostof's newer unctuous, oleaginous and saponaceous pretty-pretties is
that 1) with all this global warming going on and 2) all the mayhem all the
terrorists are causing and 3) all the peoples are losing any sense of moral
or civil values - that one day I may be taking a shortcut through an
abandoned shopping mall because I'm losing daylight fast and I can sense
the mutant shadow-creatures following me from a distance and /VIOLA!/ the
sun drops behind the skyline causing a rapid darkness to ensue... the one
thing I know FOR-SURE is that I'd better call my girlfriend and tell her
I'm going to be a little late for dinner (or else I'll surely be doing
without my conjugals AND listening to her drone on about how I'm "such an
insensitive baaaaasssssTUuuRD" 'till the sun comes up again in the morning
and I can again go hunting or fishing...) and ALL I can find anywhere lying
about in the cobweb and dust covered abandoned shops with which to contact
her is a confounding Microsoft Windows 8.x tablet device... (probably
because even the Zombies won't eat those). Then I'm slipping into a
rapidly-spinning downward spiral which is turning increasingly more
phosphorescent as a choir soemwares in the background is chanting in a
soprano drone... and suddenly /*BAM!!!*/ I wake up to the smell of frying
bacon; the intense need to go to the bathroom to urinate; and, my
girlfriend melodiously singing "You up dear?"

Whewie! I have an intense compulsion to learn how to efficiently get
around the new Microsoft picture puzzles - if for no other reason to assure
myself that I will NOT be easily eaten by Zombie-Mutants in the abandoned
shopping malls - or actionably tardy for my sweetheart's warm and cozy
welcoming embraces and even better home-cooking.

And then... there's Amazon. When all the other computers are obsoleted, I
just might be missing out on a better deal from Amazon - all because I
hesitated when I had the chance to learn to use the Windows 8.x's...

(FTR, I do keep a pencil and a couple of writing pads in my End-of-the-
World box... BUT, I haven't figured out how to keep the pigeons alive for
more than a couple days inside the kit.)

Ahhh... thanks, I needed that.

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to totally focus on my inner "AWESOMENESS!"
(Because I'm not entirely comfortable with
the words "Hero;" "Genius;" and "Legendary.")

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