Clone OS to HD via DOS and Clean Install XP?

When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend how I had used Ghost
2003 to clone a hard drive and make the new HD the bootable Windows XP
drive, he said I should have used a different method. He said the OS
becomes fragmented over time and defrag doesn't repair it because defrag
doesn't deal with system files. He said I shouldn't have cloned this
already fragmented OS. He said I should have copied some file (I don't
remember which) Go into the BIOS and make the new HD bootable in DOS
Then clean install Windows XP on the new HD Then copy what I wanted.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all. The whole
thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

Is he right? And how exactly should this process be accomplished? I'm
not doing anything right now, but I'd like to know for next time.


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* Nehmo Sergheyev *
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend how I had used
Ghost 2003 to clone a hard drive and make the new HD the bootable
Windows XP drive, he said I should have used a different method. He
said the OS becomes fragmented over time and defrag doesn't repair it
because defrag doesn't deal with system files. He said I shouldn't
have cloned this already fragmented OS. He said I should have copied
some file (I don't remember which) Go into the BIOS and make the
new HD bootable in DOS Then clean install Windows XP on the new HD
Then copy what I wanted.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all. The
whole thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

Is he right? And how exactly should this process be accomplished? I'm
not doing anything right now, but I'd like to know for next time.


Is your friends name Jonathon?
http://marbella.to/humour/dec00/malename.htm

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Everyone blames the Jews for killing Jesus. They are wrong;
It was the french!

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend
how I had used Ghost 2003 to clone a hard drive
and make the new HD the bootable Windows XP
drive, he said I should have used a different method.

He's wrong.

He said the OS becomes fragmented over time

Bull****.

and defrag doesn't repair it because
defrag doesn't deal with system files.

More bull****. The most you can really claim is that SOME system
files can get fragged and arent defragged by what XP uses.

And the MUCH more important point is that I bet he cant actually
pick which system has become fragged like that in a proper double
blind trial without using a defragger with modern hard drives.

He said I shouldn't have cloned this already fragmented OS.

He's got his head completely up his bum on that.
AND whether the clone is as fragged as the original
depends on what is used to do the cloning too.

He said I should have copied some file (I don't remember which)
Go into the BIOS and make the new HD bootable in DOS
Then clean install Windows XP on the new HD
Then copy what I wanted.

He's got his head completely up his bum on
that too. If you do want to do a clean install of
XP on the new drive, that aint the way to do it.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all.
The whole thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

Bull****.

Is he right?

Nope.

And how exactly should this process be accomplished?

Dont bother, its completely silly. Just use a cloner that
gets rid of frags as it clones if you're that obsessive.

And Ghost qualifys anyway.

I'm not doing anything right now,
but I'd like to know for next time.

Just keep using Ghost. And you can prove that question
of whether the clone is as fragged as the original by
using one of the defraggers that displays the frag status.

LAUGHING OUT LOUD!!!!!!!

Everyone blames the Jews for killing Jesus. They are wrong;
It was the French!

Say to you friend:
"Prove it, on YOUR system"

I would like to know since when are system files unmovable?

Certain files are not movable, not sure which ones.
I am pretty sure that the virtual memory cache isn't movable,
which I have observed after I had moved that to another drive

one thing to consider also, how did the system files files
fragment if they are not movable?

The only thing a fresh install buys you is emilinating possible problems
caused by spyware, trojans, bad uninstalls, etc.


"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend how I had used Ghost
2003 to clone a hard drive and make the new HD the bootable Windows XP
drive, he said I should have used a different method. He said the OS
becomes fragmented over time and defrag doesn't repair it because defrag
doesn't deal with system files. He said I shouldn't have cloned this
already fragmented OS. He said I should have copied some file (I don't
remember which) Go into the BIOS and make the new HD bootable in DOS
Then clean install Windows XP on the new HD Then copy what I wanted.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all. The whole
thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

Is he right? And how exactly should this process be accomplished? I'm
not doing anything right now, but I'd like to know for next time.


--
*********************
* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************

You defragmented your drive with Ghost, it is a low-level file copy program.

Your friend is looney if he thinks DOS can copy long filenames.

"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend how I had used Ghost
2003 to clone a hard drive and make the new HD the bootable Windows XP
drive, he said I should have used a different method. He said the OS
becomes fragmented over time and defrag doesn't repair it because defrag
doesn't deal with system files. He said I shouldn't have cloned this
already fragmented OS. He said I should have copied some file (I don't
remember which) Go into the BIOS and make the new HD bootable in DOS
Then clean install Windows XP on the new HD Then copy what I wanted.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all. The whole
thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

relic wrote:
Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend how I had used
Ghost 2003 to clone a hard drive and make the new HD the bootable
Windows XP drive, he said I should have used a different method. He
said the OS becomes fragmented over time and defrag doesn't repair it
because defrag doesn't deal with system files. He said I shouldn't
have cloned this already fragmented OS. He said I should have copied
some file (I don't remember which) Go into the BIOS and make the
new HD bootable in DOS Then clean install Windows XP on the new HD
Then copy what I wanted.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all. The
whole thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

Is he right? And how exactly should this process be accomplished? I'm
not doing anything right now, but I'd like to know for next time.


Is your friends name Jonathon?
http://marbella.to/humour/dec00/malename.htm

rofl !!

Eric Gisin wrote:

Your friend is looney

That was enough.

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Everyone blames the Jews for killing Jesus. They are wrong;
It was the french!

Eric Gisin wrote:
You defragmented your drive with Ghost, it is a low-level file copy
program.

Your friend is looney if he thinks DOS can copy long filenames.

Is this the one?:
http://www.binarybroz.com/looney.jpg
aside
In most cases top-poasters are looney too.


"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend how I had used
Ghost 2003 to clone a hard drive and make the new HD the bootable
Windows XP drive, he said I should have used a different method. He
said the OS becomes fragmented over time and defrag doesn't repair
it because defrag doesn't deal with system files. He said I
shouldn't have cloned this already fragmented OS. He said I should
have copied some file (I don't remember which) Go into the BIOS
and make the new HD bootable in DOS Then clean install Windows XP
on the new HD Then copy what I wanted.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all. The
whole thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

Dr. Bill wrote in message
t.nl...
Eric Gisin wrote

You defragmented your drive with Ghost,
it is a low-level file copy program.

Your friend is looney if he thinks DOS can copy long filenames.

Is this the one?:
http://www.binarybroz.com/looney.jpg
aside
In most cases top-poasters are looney too.

Nothing like as looney as those mindlessly
obsessing about how others post.


"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend how I had used
Ghost 2003 to clone a hard drive and make the new HD the bootable
Windows XP drive, he said I should have used a different method. He
said the OS becomes fragmented over time and defrag doesn't repair
it because defrag doesn't deal with system files. He said I
shouldn't have cloned this already fragmented OS. He said I should
have copied some file (I don't remember which) Go into the BIOS
and make the new HD bootable in DOS Then clean install Windows XP
on the new HD Then copy what I wanted.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all. The
whole thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

Give the guy a break, he probably is a mis-understood genius.

I used DOS to refragment my system files once; I tried Norton Ghost and it
scared the pants off me, give me DOS anytime, with DOS I can create new
planets and re-program my car's EM chip so it's more economical (cos it
wouldn't start after)

DOS rules and if it really wanted to it could back up XP, you just type
"backup C: A: /defrag /-t /w /a /t format C: /q restore A: C: /-q/ u/
/a /c/ /k" all fully automated, no probs.

easy innit!

hah!!! should have asked me first!!!!

Dave


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Dr. Bill wrote in message
t.nl...
Eric Gisin wrote

You defragmented your drive with Ghost,
it is a low-level file copy program.

Your friend is looney if he thinks DOS can copy long filenames.

Is this the one?:
http://www.binarybroz.com/looney.jpg
aside
In most cases top-poasters are looney too.

Nothing like as looney as those mindlessly
obsessing about how others post.


"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend how I had used
Ghost 2003 to clone a hard drive and make the new HD the bootable
Windows XP drive, he said I should have used a different method. He
said the OS becomes fragmented over time and defrag doesn't repair
it because defrag doesn't deal with system files. He said I
shouldn't have cloned this already fragmented OS. He said I should
have copied some file (I don't remember which) Go into the BIOS
and make the new HD bootable in DOS Then clean install Windows XP
on the new HD Then copy what I wanted.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all. The
whole thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

DaveDeFeet wrote:
Give the guy a break, he probably is a mis-understood genius.

I used DOS to refragment my system files once; I tried Norton Ghost
and it scared the pants off me, give me DOS anytime, with DOS I can
create new planets and re-program my car's EM chip so it's more
economical (cos it wouldn't start after)

DOS rules and if it really wanted to it could back up XP, you just
type "backup C: A: /defrag /-t /w /a /t format C: /q restore A:
C: /-q/ u/ /a /c/ /k" all fully automated, no probs.

easy innit!

hah!!! should have asked me first!!!!

Dave


Dumb**** top poster. Gotta be an MVP, they're the only ones too stupid to
post right.

Ghost completely defrags your drive.

"Eric Gisin" wrote in message
...
You defragmented your drive with Ghost, it is a low-level file copy program.

Your friend is looney if he thinks DOS can copy long filenames.

"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
When I proudly described to a knowledgeable friend how I had used Ghost
2003 to clone a hard drive and make the new HD the bootable Windows XP
drive, he said I should have used a different method. He said the OS
becomes fragmented over time and defrag doesn't repair it because defrag
doesn't deal with system files. He said I shouldn't have cloned this
already fragmented OS. He said I should have copied some file (I don't
remember which) Go into the BIOS and make the new HD bootable in DOS
Then clean install Windows XP on the new HD Then copy what I wanted.

Apparently he was saying I didn't need a copy program at all. The whole
thing could be accomplished with DOS commands.

"DaveDeFeet" wrote in message
news:hdo9c.23$Yj3.4@newsfe1-win...
Give the guy a break, he probably is a mis-understood genius.

I used DOS to refragment my system files once; I tried Norton Ghost and it
scared the pants off me, give me DOS anytime, with DOS I can create new
planets and re-program my car's EM chip so it's more economical (cos it
wouldn't start after)

You should be able to figure out Ghost then.

DOS rules and if it really wanted to it could back up XP, you just type
"backup C: A: /defrag /-t /w /a /t format C: /q restore A: C: /-q/ u/
/a /c/ /k" all fully automated, no probs.

easy innit!

hah!!! should have asked me first!!!!

Absolutely clueless. Win XP will not run, all the long filenames are lost.

What is with all the idiots from alt.os.windows?

Eric Gisin wrote:
"DaveDeFeet" wrote in message
news:hdo9c.23$Yj3.4@newsfe1-win...
Give the guy a break, he probably is a mis-understood genius.

I used DOS to refragment my system files once; I tried Norton Ghost
and it scared the pants off me, give me DOS anytime, with DOS I can
create new planets and re-program my car's EM chip so it's more
economical (cos it wouldn't start after)

You should be able to figure out Ghost then.

DOS rules and if it really wanted to it could back up XP, you just
type "backup C: A: /defrag /-t /w /a /t format C: /q restore A:
C: /-q/ u/ /a /c/ /k" all fully automated, no probs.

easy innit!

hah!!! should have asked me first!!!!

Absolutely clueless. Win XP will not run, all the long filenames are
lost.

What is with all the idiots from alt.os.windows?
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