help with pagefile

Gerry wrote:
Tim


OFF TOPIC

Mike represents the other viewpoint. Twayne is a Troll, who extols the
virtues of using a Registry Cleaner and has many other "bright" ideas.

Call it what you wish; I merely reply to EVERY post I happen to see that
says registry cleaners are snake oil, never work, will cause
interoperability and other such nonsense misinformation. If you don't
like being called on it, be prepared to defend it, something you nor
your tiny group of libelous misinfomationists can do with any sort of
verifiable evidence. I shall ignore further such foolishness and OT
comments in this thread.
/OFF TOPIC


The pagefile on the second drive should be 1.5 times the RAM. Make it
4,606 mb if that is the recommended figure. Adding further RAM to your
system would be pointless as you would exceed the address space limit
,which applies to 32 bit systems.Make the partition on the second
drive 5,100 mb. I would not partition the rest of the second drive
unless you have a particular reason to do so. Leave it as a single
partition.

A lot of that is pure myth; common sense will debunk it if one will
think about it. Say you have 256Meg of RAM and an image of 800 Meg to
load. 256 X 1.5 = 384 Meg of pf. 384 + 256 = 640Meg. You cannot load
that graphic or anything else greater than 640 - room for whatever
program you have running. Even with 512 Meg, considering the room
needed for many graphic programs, that same 800 Meg graphic still won't
load. Even your um, ha site agrees with those things being myth.

http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php

http://www.techenclave.com/guides-an...work-6519.html

http://www.computing.net/answers/win...ion/13477.html



The partition on C drive should be 50 mb on a basis that minimum =
maximum. This accomodates the system needs and permits the creation
of a dump file should have the misfortune to suffer a BSOD ( Blue
Screen of Death ) error.

That size depends on which dump you have enabled. 50M should be more
like 200 M but it is a movable figure. Hi/low=same is OK for a boot
drive pf where there will be another one on another drive.

I would not partition your the first drive.

I wouldn't partition anything.


My supper is ready so I will write later about the merits of firther
partitioning. This is another controversional topic where you
encounter two viewpoints.

There are a lot more than two viewpoints here. To get a good look at
the overall picture you really need to exercise your favorite search
engine bei ti google or yahoo or whatever you use.

HTH,

Twayne`





timOleary wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:00 am, "Gerry" wrote:
Tim

You will get two replies. One from each side of the pagefile debate.

As I understand it the the quickest read / write speeds are at the
beginning of the drive. If you do not partition the pagefile it will
be placed in the middle of the drive. With nothing on the disk you
can reformat and partition the disk without third party tools. Once
the drive is populated you cannot partition non-destructively
without third party tools, so if you are going to partition, it is
best to do it now.

If you do not partition, a fixed size pagefile will be positioned in
the middle of the drive, where read / write speeds are slower. If
you opt for a windows managed pagefile that will work until the disk
goes below 60% free disk space. At this point the pagefile will
start to fragment free disk space and file fragmentation becomes
more problematic. It becomes increasingly more difficult to create a
single contiguous pagefile where there is less than 50% free disk
space. Another argument for a fixed size pagefile.

Create a generous dedicated pagefile partiton now and you can forget
the impact of pagefile fragmentation for the life of your drives. As
a consequence defragmentation of the second partition takes less
time than it would if you had a windows managed pagefile. Moving the
pagefile to a dedicated partition on the second drive will also
reduce the time it takes to defragment the first drive. However, do
not forget to leave a 50 mb minimum = maximum pagefile on C to
accomodate the needs of the system.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:
On Jun 12, 9:07 am, "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:
"timOleary" wrote in message

...

I want to modify my pagefile. Currently it is on my C drive;
initial 1536 max 3072, but recommended size is 4606mb
I aded RAM since the system was first set up

So I want to add another pagefile to my D drive which I do not
use much at all.

What size should I make the pagefiles, and for the one on the D
drive, should I put it in its own partition? Currently the drive
is not partitioned, has 16.9G used and 215G free.
there are three folders I can see on it:
MSO Cache 0 bytes
RECYCLER 178 Kbytes
System Volume information 0 bytes
What is recycler? some backup program my wife downloaded?

Thanks

Tim

Unless you have two separate physical drives, leave the pagefile
on C and let the system manage it..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows
Experiencehttp://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Sorry for not answering the drive question. I have a C and a D
drive (two separate physical drives).
The existing page file is where Windows placed it.
And my question was how I should alter the pagefile size on C, and
What parameters I should set for the additional pagefile on the D
drive. And is it necessary to partition the D drive and place the
pagefile in there, or just put it on the d drive?

BTW: I know that my 32 bit system does not fully utilize the $G of
RAM.
Thanks for the feedback

This information is what I was after, and your explanation was clear
and I concur.
Thanks
The Microsoft help article I found on pagefiles was not clear to me
regarding the partition issue for the D drive.
I will definitely partition the D drive. How big a partition would
you recommend?
Can you offer some suggestions as to parameters for the two
pagefiles? I can see what Windows recommends, but I think the
parameters shown as assuming a single page file on the C drive. Does
it also make sense to cosnsider partitioning the C drive and placing
the pagefile in its own place? I would not do that in the
foreseeable future. Thanks again

timOleary wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:10 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Mike

What different scenarios?

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Tim

Mike represents the other viewpoint. Twayne is a Troll, who extols
the virtues of using a Registry Cleaner and has many other "bright"
ideas. The pagefile on the second drive should be 1.5 times the
RAM. Make it
4,606 mb if that is the recommended figure. Adding further RAM to
your system would be pointless as you would exceed the address
space limit ,which applies to 32 bit systems.Make the partition on
the second drive 5,100 mb. I would not partition the rest of the
second drive unless you have a particular reason to do so. Leave
it as a single partition. The partition on C drive should be 50 mb
on a basis that minimum =
maximum. This accomodates the system needs and permits the creation
of a dump file should have the misfortune to suffer a BSOD ( Blue
Screen of Death ) error.

I would not partition your the first drive.

My supper is ready so I will write later about the merits of
firther partitioning. This is another controversional topic where
you encounter two viewpoints.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gerry

They are two different approaches for two different scenarios


I am trying to familiarize myself with adjusting the pagefile but my
settings do not seem to be 'sticking'
please review these screen shots and tell me what the settings should
be and what I'm doing wrong.

http://www.postimage.org/gallery.php... b4d58&sid=Pq

finally, if I manage to get the settings updated, how can I test the
PC to measure the improvement?
thanks

If you forget to click "Set" before leaving the window, the settings
won't be "set". Maybe that's the problem?

Twayne

timOleary wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:10 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Mike

What different scenarios?

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Tim

Mike represents the other viewpoint. Twayne is a Troll, who extols
the virtues of using a Registry Cleaner and has many other "bright"
ideas. The pagefile on the second drive should be 1.5 times the
RAM. Make it
4,606 mb if that is the recommended figure. Adding further RAM to
your system would be pointless as you would exceed the address
space limit ,which applies to 32 bit systems.Make the partition on
the second drive 5,100 mb. I would not partition the rest of the
second drive unless you have a particular reason to do so. Leave
it as a single partition. The partition on C drive should be 50 mb
on a basis that minimum =
maximum. This accomodates the system needs and permits the creation
of a dump file should have the misfortune to suffer a BSOD ( Blue
Screen of Death ) error.

I would not partition your the first drive.

My supper is ready so I will write later about the merits of
firther partitioning. This is another controversional topic where
you encounter two viewpoints.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gerry

They are two different approaches for two different scenarios


I am trying to familiarize myself with adjusting the pagefile but my
settings do not seem to be 'sticking'
please review these screen shots and tell me what the settings should
be and what I'm doing wrong.

http://www.postimage.org/gallery.php... b4d58&sid=Pq

finally, if I manage to get the settings updated, how can I test the
PC to measure the improvement?
thanks

If you forget to click "Set" before leaving the window, the settings
won't be "set". Maybe that's the problem?

Twayne

Tim

Select Start, Control Panel, System, Advanced tab, Performance click
Settings, select the Advanced tab, and under Virtual memory click
Change.
Under Drive [Volume Label], click the drive that contains the paging
file that you want to change.
Under Paging file size for selected drive, click Custom size, type a new
paging file size in megabytes (MB) in the Initial size (MB) or Maximum
size (MB) box, and then click Set. Click OK to close the dialog box and
Apply on the next page.

Restart the computer to Apply the changes.

The Set and the Apply buttons often get overlooked.

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




timOleary wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:10 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Mike

What different scenarios?

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Tim

Mike represents the other viewpoint. Twayne is a Troll, who extols
the virtues of using a Registry Cleaner and has many other "bright"
ideas. The pagefile on the second drive should be 1.5 times the
RAM. Make it
4,606 mb if that is the recommended figure. Adding further RAM to
your system would be pointless as you would exceed the address
space limit ,which applies to 32 bit systems.Make the partition on
the second drive 5,100 mb. I would not partition the rest of the
second drive unless you have a particular reason to do so. Leave
it as a single partition. The partition on C drive should be 50 mb
on a basis that minimum =
maximum. This accomodates the system needs and permits the creation
of a dump file should have the misfortune to suffer a BSOD ( Blue
Screen of Death ) error.

I would not partition your the first drive.

My supper is ready so I will write later about the merits of
firther partitioning. This is another controversional topic where
you encounter two viewpoints.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gerry

They are two different approaches for two different scenarios


I am trying to familiarize myself with adjusting the pagefile but my
settings do not seem to be 'sticking'
please review these screen shots and tell me what the settings should
be and what I'm doing wrong.

http://www.postimage.org/gallery.php... b4d58&sid=Pq

finally, if I manage to get the settings updated, how can I test the
PC to measure the improvement?
thanks

Tim

Select Start, Control Panel, System, Advanced tab, Performance click
Settings, select the Advanced tab, and under Virtual memory click
Change.
Under Drive [Volume Label], click the drive that contains the paging
file that you want to change.
Under Paging file size for selected drive, click Custom size, type a new
paging file size in megabytes (MB) in the Initial size (MB) or Maximum
size (MB) box, and then click Set. Click OK to close the dialog box and
Apply on the next page.

Restart the computer to Apply the changes.

The Set and the Apply buttons often get overlooked.

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




timOleary wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:10 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Mike

What different scenarios?

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Tim

Mike represents the other viewpoint. Twayne is a Troll, who extols
the virtues of using a Registry Cleaner and has many other "bright"
ideas. The pagefile on the second drive should be 1.5 times the
RAM. Make it
4,606 mb if that is the recommended figure. Adding further RAM to
your system would be pointless as you would exceed the address
space limit ,which applies to 32 bit systems.Make the partition on
the second drive 5,100 mb. I would not partition the rest of the
second drive unless you have a particular reason to do so. Leave
it as a single partition. The partition on C drive should be 50 mb
on a basis that minimum =
maximum. This accomodates the system needs and permits the creation
of a dump file should have the misfortune to suffer a BSOD ( Blue
Screen of Death ) error.

I would not partition your the first drive.

My supper is ready so I will write later about the merits of
firther partitioning. This is another controversional topic where
you encounter two viewpoints.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gerry

They are two different approaches for two different scenarios


I am trying to familiarize myself with adjusting the pagefile but my
settings do not seem to be 'sticking'
please review these screen shots and tell me what the settings should
be and what I'm doing wrong.

http://www.postimage.org/gallery.php... b4d58&sid=Pq

finally, if I manage to get the settings updated, how can I test the
PC to measure the improvement?
thanks

On Jun 14, 1:56*pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Tim

Select Start, Control Panel, System, Advanced tab, Performance click
Settings, select the Advanced tab, and *under Virtual memory click
Change.
Under Drive [Volume Label], click the drive that contains the paging
file that you want to change.
Under Paging file size for selected drive, click Custom size, type a new
paging file size in megabytes (MB) in the Initial size (MB) or Maximum
size (MB) box, and then click Set. Click OK to close the dialog box and
Apply on the next page.

Restart the computer to Apply the changes.

The Set and the Apply buttons often get overlooked.

--

Hope *this helps.

Gerry
*~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:10 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Mike

What different scenarios?

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

"Gerry" wrote in message
. ..
Tim

Mike represents the other viewpoint. Twayne is a Troll, who extols
the virtues of using a Registry Cleaner and has many other "bright"
ideas. The pagefile on the second drive should be 1.5 times the
RAM. Make it
4,606 mb if that is the recommended figure. Adding further RAM to
your system would be pointless as you would exceed the address
space limit ,which applies to 32 bit systems.Make the partition on
the second drive 5,100 mb. I would not partition the rest of the
second drive unless you have a particular reason to do so. Leave
it as a single partition. The partition on C drive should be 50 mb
on a basis that minimum =
maximum. This accomodates the system needs and permits the creation
of a dump file should have the misfortune to suffer a BSOD ( Blue
Screen of Death ) error.

I would not partition your the first drive.

My supper is ready so I will write later about the merits of
firther partitioning. This is another controversional topic where
you encounter two viewpoints.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gerry

They are two different approaches for two different scenarios

I am trying to familiarize myself with adjusting the pagefile but my
settings do not seem to be 'sticking'
please review these screen shots and tell me what the settings should
be and what I'm doing wrong.

http://www.postimage.org/gallery.php...6a3fd4ddb0d54b....

finally, if I manage to get the settings updated, how can I test the
PC to measure the improvement?
thanks

thanks DUH.
BTW: reading your dialog on the technical points of this issue is
going to keep me busy for weeks.

On Jun 14, 1:56*pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Tim

Select Start, Control Panel, System, Advanced tab, Performance click
Settings, select the Advanced tab, and *under Virtual memory click
Change.
Under Drive [Volume Label], click the drive that contains the paging
file that you want to change.
Under Paging file size for selected drive, click Custom size, type a new
paging file size in megabytes (MB) in the Initial size (MB) or Maximum
size (MB) box, and then click Set. Click OK to close the dialog box and
Apply on the next page.

Restart the computer to Apply the changes.

The Set and the Apply buttons often get overlooked.

--

Hope *this helps.

Gerry
*~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:10 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Mike

What different scenarios?

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

"Gerry" wrote in message
. ..
Tim

Mike represents the other viewpoint. Twayne is a Troll, who extols
the virtues of using a Registry Cleaner and has many other "bright"
ideas. The pagefile on the second drive should be 1.5 times the
RAM. Make it
4,606 mb if that is the recommended figure. Adding further RAM to
your system would be pointless as you would exceed the address
space limit ,which applies to 32 bit systems.Make the partition on
the second drive 5,100 mb. I would not partition the rest of the
second drive unless you have a particular reason to do so. Leave
it as a single partition. The partition on C drive should be 50 mb
on a basis that minimum =
maximum. This accomodates the system needs and permits the creation
of a dump file should have the misfortune to suffer a BSOD ( Blue
Screen of Death ) error.

I would not partition your the first drive.

My supper is ready so I will write later about the merits of
firther partitioning. This is another controversional topic where
you encounter two viewpoints.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gerry

They are two different approaches for two different scenarios

I am trying to familiarize myself with adjusting the pagefile but my
settings do not seem to be 'sticking'
please review these screen shots and tell me what the settings should
be and what I'm doing wrong.

http://www.postimage.org/gallery.php...6a3fd4ddb0d54b....

finally, if I manage to get the settings updated, how can I test the
PC to measure the improvement?
thanks

thanks DUH.
BTW: reading your dialog on the technical points of this issue is
going to keep me busy for weeks.

Tim

You're welcome.

It has taken more than weeks to learn about the pagefile G. My
interest in the subject started about 10 years ago, stimulated by Alex
Nichol a very influential writer on the topic. Sadly Alex died in 2004.
http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

You asked earlier about partitioning earlier. This link will give you
ideas:
http://www.aumha.org/a/parts.htm

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:

thanks DUH.
BTW: reading your dialog on the technical points of this issue is
going to keep me busy for weeks.

Tim

You're welcome.

It has taken more than weeks to learn about the pagefile G. My
interest in the subject started about 10 years ago, stimulated by Alex
Nichol a very influential writer on the topic. Sadly Alex died in 2004.
http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

You asked earlier about partitioning earlier. This link will give you
ideas:
http://www.aumha.org/a/parts.htm

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:

thanks DUH.
BTW: reading your dialog on the technical points of this issue is
going to keep me busy for weeks.

On Jun 15, 2:50*am, "Gerry" wrote:
Tim

You're welcome.

It has taken more than weeks to learn about the pagefile G. My
interest in the subject started about 10 years ago, stimulated by Alex
Nichol a very influential writer on the topic. Sadly Alex died in 2004.http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

You asked earlier about partitioning earlier. This link will give you
ideas:http://www.aumha.org/a/parts.htm

--

Hope *this helps.

Gerry
*~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:

thanks DUH.
BTW: reading your dialog on the technical points of this issue is
going to keep me busy for weeks.

thankyou again!

On Jun 15, 2:50*am, "Gerry" wrote:
Tim

You're welcome.

It has taken more than weeks to learn about the pagefile G. My
interest in the subject started about 10 years ago, stimulated by Alex
Nichol a very influential writer on the topic. Sadly Alex died in 2004.http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

You asked earlier about partitioning earlier. This link will give you
ideas:http://www.aumha.org/a/parts.htm

--

Hope *this helps.

Gerry
*~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:

thanks DUH.
BTW: reading your dialog on the technical points of this issue is
going to keep me busy for weeks.

thankyou again!

Tim

You're welcome.


--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


timOleary wrote:
On Jun 15, 2:50 am, "Gerry" wrote:
Tim

You're welcome.

It has taken more than weeks to learn about the pagefile G. My
interest in the subject started about 10 years ago, stimulated by
Alex
Nichol a very influential writer on the topic. Sadly Alex died in
2004.http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

You asked earlier about partitioning earlier. This link will give you
ideas:http://www.aumha.org/a/parts.htm

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:

thanks DUH.
BTW: reading your dialog on the technical points of this issue is
going to keep me busy for weeks.

thankyou again!

Tim

You're welcome.


--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


timOleary wrote:
On Jun 15, 2:50 am, "Gerry" wrote:
Tim

You're welcome.

It has taken more than weeks to learn about the pagefile G. My
interest in the subject started about 10 years ago, stimulated by
Alex
Nichol a very influential writer on the topic. Sadly Alex died in
2004.http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

You asked earlier about partitioning earlier. This link will give you
ideas:http://www.aumha.org/a/parts.htm

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

timOleary wrote:

thanks DUH.
BTW: reading your dialog on the technical points of this issue is
going to keep me busy for weeks.

thankyou again!