Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements?

Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing useful. There was no need to make it different.

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:21:00 +0100, David_B wrote:

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

No.

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

Same as the last one. Reasonable enough for photos, exactly like the monitor for a low quality image like that one. Until the ink gets an air bubble.... I think the plumbing is made by Renault.

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

Dreadful? Apart from a slight innuendo, I saw nothing wrong with it. Try conversing with Americans to see bad English.

On 09/07/2020 14:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:21:00 +0100, David_B
wrote:

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

No.

Thanks

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

Same as the last one.* Reasonable enough for photos, exactly like the
monitor for a low quality image like that one.* Until the ink gets an
air bubble....* I think the plumbing is made by Renault.

HaHa! ;-)

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

Dreadful?* Apart from a slight innuendo, I saw nothing wrong with it.
Try conversing with Americans to see bad English.

Like this?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread...22#34205417022

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 15:21:12 +0100, David_B wrote:

On 09/07/2020 14:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:21:00 +0100, David_B
wrote:

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

No.

Thanks

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

Same as the last one. Reasonable enough for photos, exactly like the
monitor for a low quality image like that one. Until the ink gets an
air bubble.... I think the plumbing is made by Renault.

HaHa! ;-)

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

Dreadful? Apart from a slight innuendo, I saw nothing wrong with it.
Try conversing with Americans to see bad English.

Like this?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread...22#34205417022

I can't see anything unintelligible there.

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 15:21:12 +0100, David_B wrote:

On 09/07/2020 14:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:21:00 +0100, David_B
wrote:

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

No.

Thanks

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

Same as the last one. Reasonable enough for photos, exactly like the
monitor for a low quality image like that one. Until the ink gets an
air bubble.... I think the plumbing is made by Renault.

HaHa! ;-)

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

Dreadful? Apart from a slight innuendo, I saw nothing wrong with it.
Try conversing with Americans to see bad English.

Like this?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread...22#34205417022

I can't see anything unintelligible there.

Jim H wrote:
[...]

Best thing I ever did printer-wise was give up inkjet rinters and get
a laser printer. The cartridges are quite expensive, but they last so
long that they're about half the price of ink over the same period.

+1

The cartridge of previous laserprinter lasted over 10 years (yes, I
print very little). The low-capacity one which came with the current
laserprinter has already lasted for over 5 years.

That business of having to purge plugged nozzels with "liquid gold"
is ridiculous. And 3rd party ink has it's own set of problems. Maybe
there's a good combination out there, but who has the time to find it?

Yes, inkjet printers are a pain and costly, unless you print somewhat
frequently, but not too frequently.

On 10 Jul 2020 17:50:17 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Best thing I ever did printer-wise was give up inkjet rinters and get
a laser printer. The cartridges are quite expensive, but they last so
long that they're about half the price of ink over the same period.

+1

The cartridge of previous laserprinter lasted over 10 years (yes, I
print very little). The low-capacity one which came with the current
laserprinter has already lasted for over 5 years

Like Frank Slootweg, and whomever was prior, the best thing I ever did was
give up on the ink printers to go with the HP Laserjet 2100tn.

I refill it about once a year or even now with no grandkids at home, about
once every two or three years where the refill is a toner kit off the net.

I used to refill ink every few months but when HP put in that expiry stuff,
I realized they were doing everything they could to prevent us from saving
money.

All in the guise of "protecting the printer", which, as we know is BS.
--
Every time I'm in the Costco printer aisle, I thank God for laser printers.

Arlen Holder wrote:

Like Frank Slootweg, and whomever was prior, the best thing I ever did was
give up on the ink printers to go with the HP Laserjet 2100tn.

Still have one going strong. Only issue is mine is not the TN version
but uses parallel port. Networked via Linux server on older hardware
with the port. $30 toner cartridge last for years.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 7/10/20 10:52 AM, Jim H wrote:

[snip]

Best thing I ever did printer-wise was give up inkjet rinters and get
a laser printer. The cartridges are quite expensive, but they last so
long that they're about half the price of ink over the same period.

I agree about a laser printer.

That business of having to purge plugged nozzels with "liquid gold"
is ridiculous. And 3rd party ink has it's own set of problems. Maybe
there's a good combination out there, but who has the time to find it?

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Next to a circus there ain't nothing that packs up and tears out any
quicker than the Christmas spirit." [Kin Hubbard]

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:52:19 +0100, Jim H wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:27:18 +0100, in op.0nhozsbtwdg98l@glass,
"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:21:00 +0100, David_B wrote:

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

No.

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

Same as the last one. Reasonable enough for photos, exactly like the monitor for a low quality image like that one. Until the ink gets an air bubble.... I think the plumbing is made by Renault.

Best thing I ever did printer-wise was give up inkjet rinters and get
a laser printer. The cartridges are quite expensive, but they last so
long that they're about half the price of ink over the same period.

Colour lasers are **** at photos. They can't mix the colours like inkjets can. It comes out looking like a 256 colour image (remember those?)

That business of having to purge plugged nozzels with "liquid gold"
is ridiculous. And 3rd party ink has it's own set of problems. Maybe
there's a good combination out there, but who has the time to find it?

Toner is very very expensive. I buy ink, not cartridges, it comes in bottles. £10 a LITRE.

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Toner is very very expensive.* I buy ink, not cartridges, it comes in
bottles.* £10 a LITRE.


Almost 20 years ago, a "refurbished" ink cartridge ruined my HP inkjet
printer (by leaking all over the inside). But that might have been a
blessing in disguise, as I replaced it with a laser printer and have
since saved many hundreds of dollars in running a printer. The color
inkjet cartridge would go "empty" even if I didn't print in color at all
(a well-known "problem" for the customer). I don't really need color
printing for the most part--if I really did, it would be different. If
I do happen to need it, I can go to the office supply store and have
printing done there. Hope this may be helpful to someone.

In answer to the question: "Why are printers constantly redesigned with
no improvements?": The answer is surely because they found a way to
build it cheaper, the older model may have had warranty issues, and
because customers may be willing to pay a little more for a "new
model"-it helps keep the product "fresh", I think. Only commodities
seem to fail to be reinvented every year or so. Personally, I would be
happy with a commodity car, that was heavily discounted, but the
automakers don't want to play that game--Ford even mostly quit making
any sedans.

If you ask the same question with regard to televisions, the answer is
probably because they found a more effective way to sell your
"identity". The relative prices of televisions is pretty remarkable.
Graphics cards on the other hand, seem to be on the way up.

Bill wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

In answer to the question: "Why are printers constantly redesigned with
no improvements?":* The answer is surely because they found a way to
build it cheaper, the older model may have had warranty issues, and
because customers may be willing to pay a little more for a "new
model"-it helps keep the product "fresh", I think.
It occurred to me that perhaps another reason is that it makes it harder
for a customer to buy a used printer that is "just like the new one" in
the store. In short, it decreases the lifetime of the particular
product. Think of this example, as soon at the 2021 vehicles are
brought forward, your 2020 vehicle, which you paid $35K for, look more
like a used clunker.. : )

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 03:55:01 +0100, Bill wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Toner is very very expensive. I buy ink, not cartridges, it comes in
bottles. £10 a LITRE.

Almost 20 years ago, a "refurbished" ink cartridge ruined my HP inkjet
printer (by leaking all over the inside).

I know just as many people who have had genuine cartridges leak.

But that might have been a
blessing in disguise, as I replaced it with a laser printer and have
since saved many hundreds of dollars in running a printer.

No, the cheapest way to print is with an inkjet and buy ink. That's just ink, not refilled cartridges, not fake cartridges, just the ink. Either put the ink into the cartridges yourself, or get one of those continuous ink systems that prints straight from the tank. It's the unnecessary buying of tiny little plastic containers that costs money. And worse with HP, since they insist on the heads being on the cartridge! Use Epson or Brother, and the heads are in the printer. You don't buy new heads again and again.

The color inkjet cartridge would go "empty" even if I didn't print in color at all
(a well-known "problem" for the customer). I don't really need color
printing for the most part--if I really did, it would be different. If
I do happen to need it, I can go to the office supply store and have
printing done there. Hope this may be helpful to someone.

Since you were using an HP I'm not surprised. I've never had a Brother or Epson lie about the ink level to con you into buying more.

In answer to the question: "Why are printers constantly redesigned with
no improvements?": The answer is surely because they found a way to
build it cheaper, the older model may have had warranty issues,

I doubt there are 300 faults to fix.

and because customers may be willing to pay a little more for a "new
model"-it helps keep the product "fresh", I think.

Nah, customers buy a printer when the old one breaks, not because they want it to look curvy.

Only commodities
seem to fail to be reinvented every year or so. Personally, I would be
happy with a commodity car, that was heavily discounted, but the
automakers don't want to play that game--Ford even mostly quit making
any sedans.

No idea what you mean by a "commodity car" even after using a dictionary.. Commodity means something you can trade with doesn't it? Like a bar of gold.

If you ask the same question with regard to televisions, the answer is
probably because they found a more effective way to sell your
"identity". The relative prices of televisions is pretty remarkable.

At least with TVs they keep improving. More resolution, less energy usage, larger, cheaper.

Graphics cards on the other hand, seem to be on the way up.

I noticed that (I assume you mean up in price), and assumed it was the same as with playstations, home gyms, freezers, etc. People are using them more during the virus.

Commander Kinsey wrote:


Colour lasers are **** at photos. They can't mix the colours like
inkjets can. It comes out looking like a 256 colour image (remember
those?)

Page 3 "Multi-level printing".

http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/getpdf....A6-1605ENW.pdf

Paul