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I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP support? Bill |
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr' whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP support? ESR 52 is the last version available of Firefox for Windows XP (and SP-3 is required, too). https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...s-xp-and-vista |
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr' whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP support? Bill https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...s-xp-and-vista blah blah blah until September 2017 This article covers it in a bit more detail. http://www.zdnet.com/article/still-u...ox-53-for-you/ ******* Seamonkey is at 2.48 right now. https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/legacy "SeaMonkey 2.49.x will be the last version supporting Windows XP/Server 2003 and Vista/Server 2008" So that's only got one more release left in it. ******* The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and 32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they released their last WinXP version long ago, in tune with the mothership. While there may appear to be a "lot of independent browser developments", they're really not all that independent. When browsers really are independent of everyone else, usually they suffer in the compatibility department. You cannot expect all web sites to render properly in them. Because web developers won't be testing for it. For example, if I decided to try this out, my guess would be there would be compatibility issues. But nothing stops you from testing and finding out. I never found this did a perfect job on Linux, and it's probably faster to test a KDE distro than actually install it on Windows to test it. https://konqueror.org/features/browser.php https://www.kde.org/download/ Paul |
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In message , Bill Cunningham
writes: I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr' whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP support? Bill Yes, I use Firefox 26. XP support ended with 52 - not sure how you've got 53.x. ESR is a version that is aimed at organisations, and doesn't change as often - though a lot of individuals like it for that reason as well. FWIW, IE8 was the last for XP, and Chrome has also stopped (2.x); I don't know which _are_ still being updated for XP. The newsgroup mozilla.support.firefox (you have to use the mozilla server) will tell you lots more. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact. - Carl Sagan (interview w. Psychology Today published '96-1-1) |
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:11:06
-0400, Paul wrote: The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and 32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they What do they do about 32-bit win7 and win10? released their last WinXP version long ago, in tune with the mothership. While there may appear to be a "lot of independent browser developments", they're really not all that independent. |
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 08:12:09
+0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Bill Cunningham writes: I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr' whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP support? Bill Yes, I use Firefox 26. XP support ended with 52 - not sure how you've got 53.x. ESR is a version that is aimed at organisations, and doesn't change as often - though a lot of individuals like it for that reason as well. Good point. I'm tired of updates. I still use Firefox, esr edition iirc. Works fine for me. Wait, that wasn't exactly true. I only have one gig and while no individual pages gave me trouble, I couldn't open many tabs at one time, I think it was as low as 7 on a couple occasions, 20 or 30 at other times. So I switched to Sea Monkey and it opened more tabs, enought to keep using it, but there were several other small things I didn't like as much. I only use the laptop on trips and when wrapping up trips, and I broke down and bought a win7 laptop because of stuff like this. Last June, I actually bought a 2gig DIMM for this 6 y.o. netbook, only $10, but it didn't work. Bought another with the condition I could return it and it didnt' work, and the first vendor had already agreed to send me a Samsung, and it didn't work. Even though both of us checked what DIMM and how big was meant for this netbook. FWIW, IE8 was the last for XP, and Chrome has also stopped (2.x); I don't know which _are_ still being updated for XP. The newsgroup mozilla.support.firefox (you have to use the mozilla server) will tell you lots more. |
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Bill Cunningham wrote: I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr' whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP support? ESR 52 is the last version available of Firefox for Windows XP (and SP-3 is required, too). https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...s-xp-and-vista Oh got my numbers transposed. The browser says 52.3.0 to be exact. Bill |
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"Paul" wrote in message news Bill Cunningham wrote: OK I see. Does Opera still support XP? I guess that would mean all the versions. XP Home SP3 and XP Pro SP 2 and MCE. My firefox comes upon some pages it doesn't get right but that's ok. The majority are ok. Bill |
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On 14/09/2017 03:24, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr' whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP support? Bill Frankly, why does it matter to you whether FF stops supporting XP or not? You are using XP that is no longer supported so continue using FF that still works on your outdated XP machine. You'll be dead by the time you are ready to use modern machines. Whatever runs on your machine now will continue to run on your XP until 2032 by which time you'll be dead. -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill Cunningham writes: I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr' whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP support? Bill Yes, I use Firefox 26. XP support ended with 52 - not sure how you've got 53.x. ESR is a version that is aimed at organisations, and doesn't change as often - though a lot of individuals like it for that reason as well. FWIW, IE8 was the last for XP, and Chrome has also stopped (2.x); I don't know which _are_ still being updated for XP. The newsgroup mozilla.support.firefox (you have to use the mozilla server) will tell you lots more. Good to hear that that older version is still working out well for you, as I'm still using an older version, too (version 36). The newer versions added those unsigned add-on compatibility warnings, which I just find annoying. :-) What will be interesting to see is when these older versions (with an older OS) no longer work at most sites. |
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micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:11:06 -0400, Paul wrote: The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and 32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they What do they do about 32-bit win7 and win10? OK, I'm mistaken. Here's the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome "Chrome runs on: * Windows 7 or later * OS X 10.9 or later * 64-bit versions of Ubuntu 14.04+, Debian 8+, openSUSE 13.1+ and Fedora 21+ * Android 4.1 or later * iOS 9 or later As of April 2016, stable 32-bit and 64-bit builds are available for Windows, with only 64-bit stable builds available for Linux and macOS. 64-bit Windows builds became available in the developer channel and as canary builds on June 3, 2014, in beta channel on July 30, 2014, and in stable channel on August 26, 2014. 64-bit OS X builds became available as canary builds on November 7, 2013, in beta channel on October 9, 2014, and in stable channel on November 18, 2014. " So support for WinXP and Vista is gone, Windows7+ have x86 and x64. Linux is x64 only. --- That's where the confusion came from. I assumed consistency (like there was a reason for x64 only), but I guess not. I still run 32-bit versions of Linux in virtual machines some times. With several of the open source programs like Chromium, you need an x64 OS to build an x86 executable. Some of these programs are getting so big, the linking stage to build a DLL takes more than 3GB of RAM. You need a good sized machine to do it. Usually the "build recipe" web pages warn about this. The people who build Chrome at Google, were given CPUs with 20 cores, so they wouldn't have to wait so long for builds to finish. That's how much of a pig it is. I needed around a 45GB RAMdisk to hold everything for a build (src and output), and there was only a little space left when it finished (I was doing a debug build). Paul |
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message news Bill Cunningham wrote: OK I see. Does Opera still support XP? I guess that would mean all the versions. XP Home SP3 and XP Pro SP 2 and MCE. My firefox comes upon some pages it doesn't get right but that's ok. The majority are ok. Bill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto_(layout_engine) Opera 7 to 12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(layout_engine) Blink is a web browser engine developed as part of the Chromium project Opera (15+) --- means Opera inherits same dependencies as Chromium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ra_web_browser On February 16, 2016, Opera 12.18 was released for the Windows platform --- last of old version On May 28, 2013, a beta version of Opera 15 containing Blink was made available for Windows... Windows XP and Windows Vista Latest = Version 36 Windows 7 to Windows 10 Latest = Version 47 Opera is treating WinXP/Vista in a similar way to Chromium/Chrome. You could find a copy of Opera 12.18 for the old stream of development, or a copy of Opera 36 from the new stream. Paul |
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In message , Paul
writes: micky wrote: In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:11:06 -0400, Paul wrote: The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and 32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they What do they do about 32-bit win7 and win10? OK, I'm mistaken. Here's the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome "Chrome runs on: That's "the latest version of Chrome", of course. * Windows 7 or later * OS X 10.9 or later * 64-bit versions of Ubuntu 14.04+, Debian 8+, openSUSE 13.1+ and Fedora 21+ * Android 4.1 or later * iOS 9 or later [] So support for WinXP and Vista is gone, Windows7+ have x86 and x64. [] Yes, _support for_ is indeed gone. And I know (from the quotes) that you were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP, just not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives a pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each time it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf What a strange illusion it is to suppose that beauty is goodness. -Leo Tolstoy, novelist and philosopher (1828-1910) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: micky wrote: In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:11:06 -0400, Paul wrote: The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and 32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they What do they do about 32-bit win7 and win10? OK, I'm mistaken. Here's the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome "Chrome runs on: That's "the latest version of Chrome", of course. * Windows 7 or later * OS X 10.9 or later * 64-bit versions of Ubuntu 14.04+, Debian 8+, openSUSE 13.1+ and Fedora 21+ * Android 4.1 or later * iOS 9 or later [] So support for WinXP and Vista is gone, Windows7+ have x86 and x64. [] Yes, _support for_ is indeed gone. And I know (from the quotes) that you were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP, just not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives a pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each time it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.) Try adding these switches at the end for the target in the shortcut, John: "C:\Documents and Settings\{user name}\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors --test-type |
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In message , Bill in Co
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP, just not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives a pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each time it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.) Try adding these switches at the end for the target in the shortcut, John: "C:\Documents and Settings\{user name}\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors --test-type Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has "C:\Program Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors --test-type , and I've just tried it - and the nag did not appear! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth. |
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