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Old September 14th 17, 03:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill Cunningham[_2_]
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I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP
support?

Bill


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Old September 14th 17, 05:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support
will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going
to continue XP support?


ESR 52 is the last version available of Firefox for Windows XP (and SP-3
is required, too).

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...s-xp-and-vista
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Old September 14th 17, 08:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP
support?

Bill


https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...s-xp-and-vista

blah blah blah until September 2017

This article covers it in a bit more detail.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/still-u...ox-53-for-you/

*******

Seamonkey is at 2.48 right now.

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/legacy

"SeaMonkey 2.49.x will be the last version supporting
Windows XP/Server 2003 and Vista/Server 2008"

So that's only got one more release left in it.

*******

The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and
32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they
released their last WinXP version long ago, in tune with
the mothership. While there may appear to be a "lot of
independent browser developments", they're really not all that
independent.

When browsers really are independent of everyone else, usually
they suffer in the compatibility department. You cannot expect
all web sites to render properly in them. Because web developers
won't be testing for it.

For example, if I decided to try this out, my guess
would be there would be compatibility issues. But nothing
stops you from testing and finding out. I never found this
did a perfect job on Linux, and it's probably faster to
test a KDE distro than actually install it on Windows
to test it.

https://konqueror.org/features/browser.php

https://www.kde.org/download/

Paul
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Old September 14th 17, 08:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Bill Cunningham
writes:
I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP
support?

Bill


Yes, I use Firefox 26. XP support ended with 52 - not sure how you've
got 53.x. ESR is a version that is aimed at organisations, and doesn't
change as often - though a lot of individuals like it for that reason as
well. FWIW, IE8 was the last for XP, and Chrome has also stopped (2.x);
I don't know which _are_ still being updated for XP.

The newsgroup mozilla.support.firefox (you have to use the mozilla
server) will tell you lots more.
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Old September 14th 17, 03:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:11:06
-0400, Paul wrote:



The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and
32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they


What do they do about 32-bit win7 and win10?

released their last WinXP version long ago, in tune with
the mothership. While there may appear to be a "lot of
independent browser developments", they're really not all that
independent.

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Old September 14th 17, 03:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 08:12:09
+0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

In message , Bill Cunningham
writes:
I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP
support?

Bill


Yes, I use Firefox 26. XP support ended with 52 - not sure how you've
got 53.x. ESR is a version that is aimed at organisations, and doesn't
change as often - though a lot of individuals like it for that reason as
well.


Good point. I'm tired of updates.

I still use Firefox, esr edition iirc. Works fine for me. Wait, that
wasn't exactly true. I only have one gig and while no individual pages
gave me trouble, I couldn't open many tabs at one time, I think it was
as low as 7 on a couple occasions, 20 or 30 at other times.

So I switched to Sea Monkey and it opened more tabs, enought to keep
using it, but there were several other small things I didn't like as
much.

I only use the laptop on trips and when wrapping up trips, and I broke
down and bought a win7 laptop because of stuff like this.

Last June, I actually bought a 2gig DIMM for this 6 y.o. netbook, only
$10, but it didn't work. Bought another with the condition I could
return it and it didnt' work, and the first vendor had already agreed to
send me a Samsung, and it didn't work. Even though both of us checked
what DIMM and how big was meant for this netbook.

FWIW, IE8 was the last for XP, and Chrome has also stopped (2.x);
I don't know which _are_ still being updated for XP.

The newsgroup mozilla.support.firefox (you have to use the mozilla
server) will tell you lots more.


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Old September 14th 17, 05:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill Cunningham[_2_]
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bill Cunningham wrote:

I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support
will end soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going
to continue XP support?


ESR 52 is the last version available of Firefox for Windows XP (and SP-3
is required, too).

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...s-xp-and-vista


Oh got my numbers transposed. The browser says 52.3.0 to be exact.

Bill


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Old September 14th 17, 05:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill Cunningham[_2_]
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"Paul" wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:


OK I see. Does Opera still support XP? I guess that would mean all the
versions. XP Home SP3 and XP Pro SP 2 and MCE. My firefox comes upon some
pages it doesn't get right but that's ok. The majority are ok.

Bill



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Old September 14th 17, 05:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 14/09/2017 03:24, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP
support?

Bill



Frankly, why does it matter to you whether FF stops supporting XP or
not? You are using XP that is no longer supported so continue using FF
that still works on your outdated XP machine. You'll be dead by the
time you are ready to use modern machines. Whatever runs on your
machine now will continue to run on your XP until 2032 by which time
you'll be dead.



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Old September 14th 17, 06:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill Cunningham
writes:
I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will
end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue
XP
support?

Bill


Yes, I use Firefox 26. XP support ended with 52 - not sure how you've
got 53.x. ESR is a version that is aimed at organisations, and doesn't
change as often - though a lot of individuals like it for that reason as
well. FWIW, IE8 was the last for XP, and Chrome has also stopped (2.x);
I don't know which _are_ still being updated for XP.

The newsgroup mozilla.support.firefox (you have to use the mozilla
server) will tell you lots more.


Good to hear that that older version is still working out well for you, as
I'm still using an older version, too (version 36). The newer versions
added those unsigned add-on compatibility warnings, which I just find
annoying. :-) What will be interesting to see is when these older versions
(with an older OS) no longer work at most sites.


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Old September 15th 17, 01:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:11:06
-0400, Paul wrote:


The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and
32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they


What do they do about 32-bit win7 and win10?


OK, I'm mistaken. Here's the list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome

"Chrome runs on:

* Windows 7 or later
* OS X 10.9 or later
* 64-bit versions of Ubuntu 14.04+, Debian 8+, openSUSE 13.1+ and Fedora 21+
* Android 4.1 or later
* iOS 9 or later

As of April 2016, stable 32-bit and 64-bit builds are available for Windows,
with only 64-bit stable builds available for Linux and macOS.

64-bit Windows builds became available in the developer channel and as
canary builds on June 3, 2014, in beta channel on July 30, 2014, and
in stable channel on August 26, 2014. 64-bit OS X builds became available
as canary builds on November 7, 2013, in beta channel on October 9, 2014,
and in stable channel on November 18, 2014.
"

So support for WinXP and Vista is gone, Windows7+ have x86 and x64.

Linux is x64 only. --- That's where the confusion came from. I assumed
consistency (like there was a reason for x64 only), but I guess not.
I still run 32-bit versions of Linux in virtual machines some times.

With several of the open source programs like Chromium, you need
an x64 OS to build an x86 executable. Some of these programs are
getting so big, the linking stage to build a DLL takes more than
3GB of RAM. You need a good sized machine to do it. Usually the
"build recipe" web pages warn about this. The people who build
Chrome at Google, were given CPUs with 20 cores, so they wouldn't
have to wait so long for builds to finish. That's how much of a
pig it is. I needed around a 45GB RAMdisk to hold everything
for a build (src and output), and there was only a little space
left when it finished (I was doing a debug build).

Paul
  #12  
Old September 15th 17, 01:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message
news
Bill Cunningham wrote:


OK I see. Does Opera still support XP? I guess that would mean all the
versions. XP Home SP3 and XP Pro SP 2 and MCE. My firefox comes upon some
pages it doesn't get right but that's ok. The majority are ok.

Bill


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto_(layout_engine)

Opera 7 to 12

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(layout_engine)

Blink is a web browser engine developed
as part of the Chromium project

Opera (15+) --- means Opera inherits same dependencies as Chromium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ra_web_browser

On February 16, 2016, Opera 12.18 was released for the Windows platform --- last of
old version
On May 28, 2013, a beta version of Opera 15
containing Blink was made available for Windows...

Windows XP and Windows Vista Latest = Version 36
Windows 7 to Windows 10 Latest = Version 47

Opera is treating WinXP/Vista in a similar way to Chromium/Chrome.

You could find a copy of Opera 12.18 for the old stream
of development, or a copy of Opera 36 from the new stream.

Paul
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Old September 15th 17, 10:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Paul
writes:
micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:11:06
-0400, Paul wrote:


The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and
32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they

What do they do about 32-bit win7 and win10?


OK, I'm mistaken. Here's the list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome

"Chrome runs on:


That's "the latest version of Chrome", of course.

* Windows 7 or later
* OS X 10.9 or later
* 64-bit versions of Ubuntu 14.04+, Debian 8+, openSUSE 13.1+ and
Fedora 21+
* Android 4.1 or later
* iOS 9 or later

[]
So support for WinXP and Vista is gone, Windows7+ have x86 and x64.

[]
Yes, _support for_ is indeed gone. And I know (from the quotes) that you
were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP, just
not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives a
pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates
because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each time
it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It
goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.)
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Old September 15th 17, 03:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:11:06
-0400, Paul wrote:


The browsers work in families. Chrome cut WinXP support and
32 bit support some time ago. Versions like SRWare Iron, they
What do they do about 32-bit win7 and win10?


OK, I'm mistaken. Here's the list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome

"Chrome runs on:


That's "the latest version of Chrome", of course.

* Windows 7 or later
* OS X 10.9 or later
* 64-bit versions of Ubuntu 14.04+, Debian 8+, openSUSE 13.1+ and
Fedora 21+
* Android 4.1 or later
* iOS 9 or later

[]
So support for WinXP and Vista is gone, Windows7+ have x86 and x64.

[]
Yes, _support for_ is indeed gone. And I know (from the quotes) that you
were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP, just
not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives a
pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates
because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each time
it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It
goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.)


Try adding these switches at the end for the target in the shortcut, John:

"C:\Documents and Settings\{user name}\Local Settings\Application
Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors --test-type

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Old September 15th 17, 07:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP, just
not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives a
pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates
because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each time
it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It
goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.)


Try adding these switches at the end for the target in the shortcut, John:

"C:\Documents and Settings\{user name}\Local Settings\Application
Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type

Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has

"C:\Program Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe"
--ignore-certificate-errors --test-type

, and I've just tried it - and the nag did not appear!
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