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Your confusing me again,..
'Backup images should always be stored on a different hard drive, than the "source" hard drive. Macrium will likely warn you, if you do otherwise. I created an external HD just for backups and Mrimgs but now your saying not to use it as the source? What am I suppose to use? This is why I'm having problems doing this. I'm not really concerned with Win 10 at this point since I created the Win10 HD but are you saying I will loose the license key and have to repeat all of this? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
Your confusing me again,.. 'Backup images should always be stored on a different hard drive, than the "source" hard drive. Macrium will likely warn you, if you do otherwise. I created an external HD just for backups and Mrimgs but now your saying not to use it as the source? What am I suppose to use? This is why I'm having problems doing this. I'm not really concerned with Win 10 at this point since I created the Win10 HD but are you saying I will loose the license key and have to repeat all of this? Robert You don't need the Win10 drive inside the PC during the Windows 7 restore. +-----+--------------------+------------------+ Win7 Disk | MBR | System Reserved F: | Windows 7 C: | +-----+--------------------+------------------+ +-----+---------------------------------------+ Backup Disk | MBR | Backups E: +---+ +-----+---------------------------------------+ | ^ | | don't restore ------+ | one of these, | over this volume ---+ | | +-------------------------+ If you tried to do that (overwrite E: in the example), I would expect more than one warning from Macrium. It is OK to use a file from E: in the example, to overwrite C: . Because that's what restoring is for. ******* If the Windows 10 drive is present, it will have a different identifier (eight digit number) than the Windows 7 drive. +-----+--------------------+------------------+ Win10 Disk | MBR | Recovery | Windows 10 D: | +-----+--------------------+------------------+ +-----+--------------------+------------------+ Win7 Disk | MBR | System Reserved F: | Windows 7 C: | +-----+--------------------+------------------+ +-----+---------------------------------------+ Backup Disk | MBR | Backups E: | +-----+---------------------------------------+ If you see two physical drives (not the backup drive or the MRIMG contents) with the same identifier, then stop and think about it. If the drives have different content (dir C: , dir D, you may be able to tell them apart. Or maybe you applied labels to the partitions which are meaningful to you. As far as I know, if two disks have the same eight digit number, one of them should enter the "offline" state. Paul |
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I understand I do not need the Win10 drive in the 780 and in fact I will remove it and replace it with the bad Win7 HD, then run the Rescue CD,.... I will take pics up to the point of execution to show you if I am doing it correctly. If I am then I will restart the process and finish it. Robert |
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I replaced the Win10 HD with the bad Win7 HD and nothing but problems. It didn't load the CD and its in a loop with hitting the F1 to continue and then select Win 7 but it goes right back to the F1 prompt and there's no way to exit and shut it down. https://postimg.cc/XZCsYXVV https://postimg.cc/NL4pM3wr The bad thing is that I have the external HD hooked up to it with all my Mrimgs and I don't know how to shut it down because I don't want to damage the external HD. How do I get out of this? There doesn't seem anyway I can see to exit this loop. We should of resolved the F1 issue because its causing no end of problems. I never should have tried to add the Win10 HD but who knew it would cause all these problems. In passing, I noticed that on Win10 I have to login just to get to the desktop and I would like to know how to single click like in Win 7 but that's for later. I'm not doing a thing to the 780 till I hear from you and its hung at the F1 prompt as I don't dare turn it off because of the external HD still connected. Robert |
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I lost my internet connection three times in the last two days and called Frontier, and in the process of powering off to unplug the modem I forgot about the 780! In any case, I unplugged the external backup,.. I plugged it into the 8500 and it seems OK, .. whew!!!! I don't think I want to deal with the bad Win7 HD anymore. Since I can't get it out of the F1 loop unless you know of a way to get rid of the F1 because it will never function to accept the Rescue CD in that environment. Thoughts/suggestions? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I replaced the Win10 HD with the bad Win7 HD and nothing but problems. It didn't load the CD and its in a loop with hitting the F1 to continue and then select Win 7 but it goes right back to the F1 prompt and there's no way to exit and shut it down. https://postimg.cc/XZCsYXVV https://postimg.cc/NL4pM3wr The bad thing is that I have the external HD hooked up to it with all my Mrimgs and I don't know how to shut it down because I don't want to damage the external HD. How do I get out of this? There doesn't seem anyway I can see to exit this loop. We should of resolved the F1 issue because its causing no end of problems. I never should have tried to add the Win10 HD but who knew it would cause all these problems. In passing, I noticed that on Win10 I have to login just to get to the desktop and I would like to know how to single click like in Win 7 but that's for later. I'm not doing a thing to the 780 till I hear from you and its hung at the F1 prompt as I don't dare turn it off because of the external HD still connected. Robert If the BIOS is stuck at F1, generally no file systems are open or "exposed". You can turn off the power on the external drive at that moment. ******* How about we return to default settings. Two SATA ports turned on (probably the SATA 1 and SATA 2 were the default) The horrible "RAID ON" mode selected (drive should run JBOD) The following hardware configuration. SATA 1 - "Bad" Win7 hard drive SATA 2 - Optical drive with Macrium CD in it SATA 3 - no cable SATA 4 - no cable External ESATA - no cable Internal IDE (a converted SATA) - no cable External USB2 - The backup drive in external USB enclosure - Since this is the Optiplex 780, there is probably only USB2 available on it adjust boot order, so CD is above hard drive and the CD will boot. If the CD prompts with "Press any key..." press the space bar immediately so it will boot from the CD and not make an ill-fated attempt to boot from the other two storage devices. Now, does the Macrium CD boot or not ? Paul |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I lost my internet connection three times in the last two days and called Frontier, and in the process of powering off to unplug the modem I forgot about the 780! In any case, I unplugged the external backup,.. I plugged it into the 8500 and it seems OK, .. whew!!!! I don't think I want to deal with the bad Win7 HD anymore. Since I can't get it out of the F1 loop unless you know of a way to get rid of the F1 because it will never function to accept the Rescue CD in that environment. Thoughts/suggestions? Robert Return the settings to the defaults and try again. Use max two SATA cables. One cable to the Win7 drive One cable to the optical drive RAID On mode (because that was the stupid default they selected for themselves). And see if it'll come up again, and boot from the Macrium CD when prompted to "Press any key". ******* If this still doesn't work, we may need to press control=I in the BIOS and enter the RAID BIOS and make sure the disk metadata says it is *not* in a RAID array. It really should not be. To remove RAID metadata, requires a "non-RAID" storage port. Even erasing a drive inside a USB enclosure would likely be effective for the job. If things get desperate, you could erase the "Bad" Win7 drive, then try restoring with Macrium again. We know we have a backup, so nothing permanently bad can happen, right ? It's just a matter of finding the right procedure for this bucket of bolts. "Cancer can be beaten", and so can this obnoxious BIOS behavior... Paul |
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I will try again Robert |
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I rearranged the boot sequence so that the
Rescue CD should load but it didn't. I then set the boot sequence back to the defaults and again it did not load the CD. However when I set it back to defaults the F1 problem disappeared. https://postimg.cc/675KZT93 https://postimg.cc/7JrQgQgV https://postimg.cc/d7zWYSSY I decided to stop connecting the external HD until we have this resolved because I can always back out of the Rescue CD and then connect the HD. I would rather not play Russian Roulette with my HD with the Mrimgs on it and loose everything in the process. Robert |
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You won't believe this but I'm typing
this on the 780! I re-read your message and was about to go into BIOS and do a ctrl-L to check the RAIDS when it came up although its still not genuine but this is allot better than being in the F1 loop! Do you still want me to check the raids? Thoughts/suggestions? Robert |
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On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 2:06:33 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
You won't believe this but I'm typing this on the 780! Thius is the 780 desktop https://postimg.cc/WD6jyKnd Robert |
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I tried restarting hoping the rescue CD would engage but it didn't. I thought you would like to see the selections at startup: As you can see there is a Macrium Reflect System Recovery under Windows 7 at start up so I thought I would try it and at first it did look like the Rescue CD but it wasn't engaging and then saw the second image and backed out of it. https://postimg.cc/F1QGNK4d https://postimg.cc/rzcG7Y15 Robert |
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Apparently I messed up the boot order since I really didn't know what I was doing trying to get the Rescue CD to boot but when I restored the defaults Win7 was able to boot although still not genuine. Robert |
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I still don't understand why the Rescue CD isn't booting because you saw the screenshot that it completed successfully with a DVD-R and the 780 should accept it and run it. Were progressing but its strange that it doesn't engaged the CD drive at startup? Robert |
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