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  #331  
Old August 6th 19, 06:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Your confusing me again,..

'Backup images should always be stored on a different
hard drive, than the "source" hard drive. Macrium will
likely warn you, if you do otherwise.

I created an external HD just for backups and Mrimgs but
now your saying not to use it as the source? What am I
suppose to use? This is why I'm having problems doing this.

I'm not really concerned with Win 10 at this point since
I created the Win10 HD but are you saying I will loose the
license key and have to repeat all of this?

Robert

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  #332  
Old August 6th 19, 07:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:
Your confusing me again,..

'Backup images should always be stored on a different
hard drive, than the "source" hard drive. Macrium will
likely warn you, if you do otherwise.

I created an external HD just for backups and Mrimgs but
now your saying not to use it as the source? What am I
suppose to use? This is why I'm having problems doing this.

I'm not really concerned with Win 10 at this point since
I created the Win10 HD but are you saying I will loose the
license key and have to repeat all of this?

Robert


You don't need the Win10 drive inside the PC during
the Windows 7 restore.

+-----+--------------------+------------------+
Win7 Disk | MBR | System Reserved F: | Windows 7 C: |
+-----+--------------------+------------------+

+-----+---------------------------------------+
Backup Disk | MBR | Backups E: +---+
+-----+---------------------------------------+ |
^ |
| don't restore ------+
| one of these,
| over this volume ---+
| |
+-------------------------+

If you tried to do that (overwrite E: in the example),
I would expect more than one warning from Macrium.

It is OK to use a file from E: in the example, to
overwrite C: . Because that's what restoring is for.

*******

If the Windows 10 drive is present, it will have
a different identifier (eight digit number) than the Windows 7 drive.

+-----+--------------------+------------------+
Win10 Disk | MBR | Recovery | Windows 10 D: |
+-----+--------------------+------------------+

+-----+--------------------+------------------+
Win7 Disk | MBR | System Reserved F: | Windows 7 C: |
+-----+--------------------+------------------+

+-----+---------------------------------------+
Backup Disk | MBR | Backups E: |
+-----+---------------------------------------+

If you see two physical drives (not the backup drive or the MRIMG
contents) with the same identifier, then
stop and think about it. If the drives have
different content (dir C: , dir D, you may
be able to tell them apart. Or maybe you applied
labels to the partitions which are meaningful to you.

As far as I know, if two disks have the same eight digit
number, one of them should enter the "offline" state.

Paul
  #333  
Old August 6th 19, 09:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I understand I do not need the Win10 drive
in the 780 and in fact I will remove it and
replace it with the bad Win7 HD, then run the
Rescue CD,....

I will take pics up to the point of execution
to show you if I am doing it correctly. If
I am then I will restart the process and finish
it.


Robert

  #334  
Old August 6th 19, 10:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I replaced the Win10 HD with the bad Win7 HD
and nothing but problems. It didn't load the CD
and its in a loop with hitting the F1 to continue
and then select Win 7 but it goes right back to the
F1 prompt and there's no way to exit and shut it down.


https://postimg.cc/XZCsYXVV

https://postimg.cc/NL4pM3wr

The bad thing is that I have the external HD hooked
up to it with all my Mrimgs and I don't know how to
shut it down because I don't want to damage the external
HD. How do I get out of this? There doesn't seem anyway
I can see to exit this loop.

We should of resolved the F1 issue because its causing
no end of problems. I never should have tried to add the
Win10 HD but who knew it would cause all these problems.

In passing, I noticed that on Win10 I have to login just
to get to the desktop and I would like to know how to
single click like in Win 7 but that's for later.

I'm not doing a thing to the 780 till I hear from you and
its hung at the F1 prompt as I don't dare turn it off because
of the external HD still connected.


Robert
  #335  
Old August 6th 19, 11:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I lost my internet connection three times in the last two days
and called Frontier, and in the process of powering off to
unplug the modem I forgot about the 780! In any case, I
unplugged the external backup,..

I plugged it into the 8500 and it seems OK, .. whew!!!!

I don't think I want to deal with the bad Win7 HD anymore.
Since I can't get it out of the F1 loop unless you know of
a way to get rid of the F1 because it will never function
to accept the Rescue CD in that environment.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
  #336  
Old August 6th 19, 11:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:

I replaced the Win10 HD with the bad Win7 HD
and nothing but problems. It didn't load the CD
and its in a loop with hitting the F1 to continue
and then select Win 7 but it goes right back to the
F1 prompt and there's no way to exit and shut it down.


https://postimg.cc/XZCsYXVV

https://postimg.cc/NL4pM3wr

The bad thing is that I have the external HD hooked
up to it with all my Mrimgs and I don't know how to
shut it down because I don't want to damage the external
HD. How do I get out of this? There doesn't seem anyway
I can see to exit this loop.

We should of resolved the F1 issue because its causing
no end of problems. I never should have tried to add the
Win10 HD but who knew it would cause all these problems.

In passing, I noticed that on Win10 I have to login just
to get to the desktop and I would like to know how to
single click like in Win 7 but that's for later.

I'm not doing a thing to the 780 till I hear from you and
its hung at the F1 prompt as I don't dare turn it off because
of the external HD still connected.


Robert


If the BIOS is stuck at F1, generally no file systems
are open or "exposed". You can turn off the power on the
external drive at that moment.

*******

How about we return to default settings.

Two SATA ports turned on (probably the SATA 1 and SATA 2 were the default)

The horrible "RAID ON" mode selected (drive should run JBOD)

The following hardware configuration.

SATA 1 - "Bad" Win7 hard drive
SATA 2 - Optical drive with Macrium CD in it
SATA 3 - no cable
SATA 4 - no cable
External ESATA - no cable
Internal IDE (a converted SATA) - no cable

External USB2 - The backup drive in external USB enclosure
- Since this is the Optiplex 780, there is
probably only USB2 available on it

adjust boot order, so CD is above hard drive
and the CD will boot. If the CD prompts with "Press any key..."
press the space bar immediately so it will boot from the CD
and not make an ill-fated attempt to boot from the other
two storage devices.

Now, does the Macrium CD boot or not ?

Paul
  #337  
Old August 6th 19, 11:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:

I lost my internet connection three times in the last two days
and called Frontier, and in the process of powering off to
unplug the modem I forgot about the 780! In any case, I
unplugged the external backup,..

I plugged it into the 8500 and it seems OK, .. whew!!!!

I don't think I want to deal with the bad Win7 HD anymore.
Since I can't get it out of the F1 loop unless you know of
a way to get rid of the F1 because it will never function
to accept the Rescue CD in that environment.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert


Return the settings to the defaults
and try again.

Use max two SATA cables.

One cable to the Win7 drive

One cable to the optical drive

RAID On mode (because that was the stupid default
they selected for themselves).

And see if it'll come up again, and boot from the
Macrium CD when prompted to "Press any key".

*******

If this still doesn't work, we may need to press control=I
in the BIOS and enter the RAID BIOS and make sure the
disk metadata says it is *not* in a RAID array. It
really should not be.

To remove RAID metadata, requires a "non-RAID" storage
port. Even erasing a drive inside a USB enclosure would
likely be effective for the job. If things get
desperate, you could erase the "Bad" Win7 drive,
then try restoring with Macrium again.

We know we have a backup, so nothing permanently bad
can happen, right ?

It's just a matter of finding the right procedure for
this bucket of bolts.

"Cancer can be beaten", and so can this obnoxious
BIOS behavior...

Paul
  #338  
Old August 7th 19, 08:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I will try again

Robert


  #339  
Old August 7th 19, 10:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I rearranged the boot sequence so that the
Rescue CD should load but it didn't. I then
set the boot sequence back to the defaults
and again it did not load the CD.

However when I set it back to defaults the F1
problem disappeared.

https://postimg.cc/675KZT93

https://postimg.cc/7JrQgQgV

https://postimg.cc/d7zWYSSY

I decided to stop connecting the external HD
until we have this resolved because I can always
back out of the Rescue CD and then connect the
HD.

I would rather not play Russian Roulette with my
HD with the Mrimgs on it and loose everything in
the process.

Robert
  #340  
Old August 7th 19, 10:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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You won't believe this but I'm typing
this on the 780!

I re-read your message and was about to
go into BIOS and do a ctrl-L to check the
RAIDS when it came up although its still
not genuine but this is allot better than
being in the F1 loop!

Do you still want me to check the raids?

Thoughts/suggestions?

Robert
  #341  
Old August 7th 19, 10:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 2:06:33 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
You won't believe this but I'm typing
this on the 780!


Thius is the 780 desktop

https://postimg.cc/WD6jyKnd


Robert
  #342  
Old August 7th 19, 10:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I tried restarting hoping the rescue CD
would engage but it didn't. I thought you
would like to see the selections at startup:

As you can see there is a Macrium Reflect
System Recovery under Windows 7 at start
up so I thought I would try it and at first it
did look like the Rescue CD but it wasn't
engaging and then saw the second image
and backed out of it.


https://postimg.cc/F1QGNK4d

https://postimg.cc/rzcG7Y15


Robert


  #343  
Old August 7th 19, 11:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I went back and checked the RAIDS:

https://postimg.cc/3dPSzFnp

https://postimg.cc/njPYBnW7

Robert

  #344  
Old August 7th 19, 12:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Apparently I messed up the boot order
since I really didn't know what I was
doing trying to get the Rescue CD to
boot but when I restored the defaults
Win7 was able to boot although still
not genuine.

Robert

  #345  
Old August 7th 19, 12:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I still don't understand why the Rescue CD
isn't booting because you saw the screenshot
that it completed successfully with a DVD-R
and the 780 should accept it and run it.

Were progressing but its strange that it doesn't
engaged the CD drive at startup?

Robert
 




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