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  #16  
Old January 14th 19, 12:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default 4th time, not the charm

Bill in Co surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Bill in Co surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
[...]
Big Al on Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:14:15 -0500 typed
[...] My latest "What were they thinking? Were they thinking?"
is the
magic folders/link/shortcut. As in "it says 'My Music' but it is
really "\D". And by \D I mean that if you search F:\Bakups it will
find the directory RawFIles. On Drive D. Which is kind of cool,
until you want to remove said 'link', only if you delete "My Music",
you are asked if you mean to delete all 385 gigs in the directory. No,
I just want to delete the link, but this being Windows, you can't do
dat.

If I understand you correctly. I think you're confusing the *Library*
'My Music' with the *folder*(s) it is pointing to.

If you go to 'Desktop' in File Explorer, you will see a 'thing' called
'Libraries'. 'Libraries; contains your list of libraries, which probably
includes '[My] Documents', '[My] Music', '[My] Pictures' and '[My]
Videos'.

Right-click on the *library* '[My] Music' and select Properties. There
you will see that you *can* 'Add...' and 'Remove' the *folders* - called
'Library locationss' - to which the *library* '[My] Music' is pointing.

Argge.

Elementary, dear Watson, just relax! :-)

So yes, you *can* delete the 'link' (read: library) 'My Music', but if
you do not want to delete the folders it's pointing to, you first have
to 'Remove' those folders from the list of 'Library locations:' in the
Properties of the 'My Music' library.

N.B. I wrote '[My] Music', etc., because AFAIK the name on Windows 7 is
still 'My Music', while on Windows 8.1 (which I have), it's just
'Music'.

HTH.

P.S. You can also *add* libraries. For example I have one called NetNews
which points to my local NetNews/Usenet 'cache'.

So the "advantage" of using "libraries" (if you choose) is that you can
group some different, but related, things together for a more convenient
access in one link?


Yes, and these things can be on different drives, can be on Network
Shares, can be subfolders, etc..

For example my 'Music' library points to:

C:\Users\Frank\Music\something I.e. a subfolder.
C:\Music I.e. a top level folder.
\\DISKSTATION\music I.e. a Network Share (Media Server)

So when I browse my 'Music' library, I have all this music in one
'tree', but I don't see the fluff in C:\Users\Frank\Music which is
music-*related*, but isn't music (for example backup of my music
library, playlists, lyrics, list of Internet radio stations, etc..).

Moral: Not all Microsoft/Windows 'inventions' are bad! :-)


I can see how this can be useful if you have a lot of things scattered
around in different locations or on different drives. But for a simple and
minimalistic approach, I think it just adds another layer of abstraction.
(Not as bad as those so called junction points, however).


To be [f|F]rank, I hardly use/change the Windows libraries at all, but
they can be an advantage.

For example my above example of my 'Music' library: Some programs have
their ideas about where to put stuff and I have my ideas about where to
put stuff. With libraries I can make my wishes have priority, while the
programs can still put stuff where *they* want it, it just won't be 'in
my face'. I.e. in my example the non-music music-*related* stuff/fluff
is 'hidden' from my view. If I *want* to see/access the fluff, I can,
but normally it's out of sight.
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  #17  
Old January 14th 19, 12:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default 4th time, not the charm

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
[...]
Big Al on Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:14:15 -0500 typed

[...]
My latest "What were they thinking? Were they thinking?" is the
magic folders/link/shortcut. As in "it says 'My Music' but it is
really "\D". And by \D I mean that if you search F:\Bakups it will
find the directory RawFIles. On Drive D. Which is kind of cool,
until you want to remove said 'link', only if you delete "My Music",
you are asked if you mean to delete all 385 gigs in the directory. No,
I just want to delete the link, but this being Windows, you can't do
dat.


If I understand you correctly. I think you're confusing the *Library*
'My Music' with the *folder*(s) it is pointing to.

If you go to 'Desktop' in File Explorer, you will see a 'thing' called
'Libraries'. 'Libraries; contains your list of libraries, which probably
includes '[My] Documents', '[My] Music', '[My] Pictures' and '[My]
Videos'.

Right-click on the *library* '[My] Music' and select Properties. There
you will see that you *can* 'Add...' and 'Remove' the *folders* - called
'Library locationss' - to which the *library* '[My] Music' is pointing.


If I look at the "Properties" of my Documents library (or any of the
other three) I can see "Remove", but not "Add". Is this one of the
differences between Home (which is what I have) and Pro?


I don't know. I use a non-pro version of Windows 8.1. From Wolf K.'s
howtogeek reference, I get the impression that the Windows 7 UI is
slightly different and that what is called 'Add...' in Windows 8.1 is
probably called 'Include a folder...' in Windows 7.

Argge.


Elementary, dear Watson, just relax! :-)

So yes, you *can* delete the 'link' (read: library) 'My Music', but if
you do not want to delete the folders it's pointing to, you first have
to 'Remove' those folders from the list of 'Library locations:' in the
Properties of the 'My Music' library.


So can I "Remove" _all_ the entries in (say) the "Documents" Library,
then remove the library itself, without actually any files being removed
from my discs? Or will it not let me delete the last one?

I see
[/] My Documents (C:\Users\username)
Public Documents (C:\Users\Public)
(where [/] is a tick in a box). Where I keep my actual documents is
D:\document.s . Is there anything to be lost by getting rid of the four
libraries (other than the possible loss of the ability to use libraries,
which I can't see ever doing)?


Wolf K.'s references seem to indicate that you can only hide the four
default libraries (Documents, Music, Pictures and Videos), not delete
them. I assumed that you can delete them, because my right-click
context-menu has a 'Delete' choice.

N.B. I wrote '[My] Music', etc., because AFAIK the name on Windows 7 is
still 'My Music', while on Windows 8.1 (which I have), it's just 'Music'.


FWIW, on my 7-32 Home, I have no "My"s, just the four words.

HTH.

P.S. You can also *add* libraries. For example I have one called NetNews
which points to my local NetNews/Usenet 'cache'.

  #18  
Old January 14th 19, 02:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default 4th time, not the charm

In message , Wolf K
writes:
On 2019-01-13 18:21, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[...]
If I look at the "Properties" of my Documents library (or any of the
other three) I can see "Remove", but not "Add". Is this one of the
differences between Home (which is what I have) and Pro?

[...]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...dows-libraries


"196 minutes to read" (plus displays in my browser as having lines that
disappear to the right, but no horizontal scroll bar)!

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/1028...braries-featur
e-in-windows-7/

Blank white screen in my browser ...

https://lifehacker.com/5464350/get-t...inside-and-out

I can see the text in that one. (Although it has big gaps where I assume
there are images. [I _can_ see the few images near the top left of the
page.]) Looks like a good tutorial. (Though doesn't mention _deleting_
libraries at all, certainly no warning about removing folders in them
first.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't
design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil
tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee,
Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.
  #19  
Old January 14th 19, 03:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default 4th time, not the charm

In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
[...]
Big Al on Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:14:15 -0500 typed
[...]
My latest "What were they thinking? Were they thinking?" is the
magic folders/link/shortcut. As in "it says 'My Music' but it is
really "\D". And by \D I mean that if you search F:\Bakups it will
find the directory RawFIles. On Drive D. Which is kind of cool,
until you want to remove said 'link', only if you delete "My Music",
you are asked if you mean to delete all 385 gigs in the directory. No,
I just want to delete the link, but this being Windows, you can't do
dat.

If I understand you correctly. I think you're confusing the *Library*
'My Music' with the *folder*(s) it is pointing to.

If you go to 'Desktop' in File Explorer, you will see a 'thing' called
'Libraries'. 'Libraries; contains your list of libraries, which probably
includes '[My] Documents', '[My] Music', '[My] Pictures' and '[My]
Videos'.

Right-click on the *library* '[My] Music' and select Properties. There
you will see that you *can* 'Add...' and 'Remove' the *folders* - called
'Library locationss' - to which the *library* '[My] Music' is pointing.


If I look at the "Properties" of my Documents library (or any of the
other three) I can see "Remove", but not "Add". Is this one of the
differences between Home (which is what I have) and Pro?


I don't know. I use a non-pro version of Windows 8.1. From Wolf K.'s
howtogeek reference, I get the impression that the Windows 7 UI is
slightly different and that what is called 'Add...' in Windows 8.1 is
probably called 'Include a folder...' in Windows 7.


You are right. Sorry.

Argge.

Elementary, dear Watson, just relax! :-)

So yes, you *can* delete the 'link' (read: library) 'My Music', but if
you do not want to delete the folders it's pointing to, you first have
to 'Remove' those folders from the list of 'Library locations:' in the
Properties of the 'My Music' library.


So can I "Remove" _all_ the entries in (say) the "Documents" Library,
then remove the library itself, without actually any files being removed
from my discs? Or will it not let me delete the last one?

I see
[/] My Documents (C:\Users\username)
Public Documents (C:\Users\Public)
(where [/] is a tick in a box). Where I keep my actual documents is
D:\document.s . Is there anything to be lost by getting rid of the four
libraries (other than the possible loss of the ability to use libraries,
which I can't see ever doing)?


Wolf K.'s references seem to indicate that you can only hide the four
default libraries (Documents, Music, Pictures and Videos), not delete
them. I assumed that you can delete them, because my right-click
context-menu has a 'Delete' choice.


I took the plunge and "Remove"d _all_ the entries in my Documents
library, including D:\document.s which I'd added, then deleted the
library itself - and it's gone. And, D:\documents is still there.

I've just tried an experiment: first, I created D:\!! . Then, I added
it to the "Music" Library. Then, I "Remove"d all other folders from the
Music Library, so it only had D:\!! in it. I then deleted the library -
using the shift key. From what had been said here, I expected D:\!!
(which I didn't put anything in) to disappear too (the Music library
_has_ disappeared), but it didn't - though a padlock symbol has now
appeared on it! I was still allowed to delete it though. Repeating the
exercise but with the Pictures library but _not_ using shift-delete -
same effect - padlock appeared on D:\!!, but I could still delete it.
....
I've now removed the four standard Libraries (Documents, Music,
Pictures, and Videos), so I have "Libraries" under "Desktop" in Explorer
(just above "Homegroup"), with nothing in it. Ah, I can't shift-delete
it, and right-clicking has no Delete. (I can't non-shift delete it
either.)
[]
So, just another bit of clutter.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't
design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil
tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee,
Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.
  #20  
Old January 14th 19, 03:39 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default 4th time, not the charm

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I've now removed the four standard Libraries (Documents, Music,
Pictures, and Videos), so I have "Libraries" under "Desktop" in Explorer
(just above "Homegroup"), with nothing in it. Ah, I can't shift-delete
it, and right-clicking has no Delete. (I can't non-shift delete it either.)
[]
So, just another bit of clutter.


There's a way to change their visibility, if it's the
clutter that bothers you.

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...tion-pane.html

Paul
  #21  
Old January 14th 19, 04:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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Default 4th time, not the charm

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 14:16:28 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

So the "advantage" of using "libraries" (if you choose) is that you can
group some different, but related, things together for a more convenient
access in one link?


That's one advantage. I use Libraries to relocate certain folders, such
as Documents, to my D: drive. There's already a 'Documents' Library,
which points to two folders on C:, so I created a Documents folder on
D:, added it to the Documents Library, and made it the default save
location. Works a treat.

--

Char Jackson
  #22  
Old January 14th 19, 04:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I've now removed the four standard Libraries (Documents, Music,
Pictures, and Videos), so I have "Libraries" under "Desktop" in
Explorer (just above "Homegroup"), with nothing in it. Ah, I can't
shift-delete it, and right-clicking has no Delete. (I can't non-shift
delete it either.)
[]
So, just another bit of clutter.


There's a way to change their visibility, if it's the
clutter that bothers you.

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...er-add-remove-
navigation-pane.html

Paul


Thanks. I've done that, and will tell you if it has gone next time I
reboot.

I still find it irritating that we have to get these arcane hex strings
from tipsites - I presume _they_ get them from leaks, as I'm sure they
can't just find them.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Apologies to [those] who may have been harmed by the scientific inaccuracies
in this post. - Roger Tilbury in UMRA, 2018-3-14
  #23  
Old January 14th 19, 04:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default 4th time, not the charm

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I've now removed the four standard Libraries (Documents, Music,
Pictures, and Videos), so I have "Libraries" under "Desktop" in
Explorer (just above "Homegroup"), with nothing in it. Ah, I can't
shift-delete it, and right-clicking has no Delete. (I can't
non-shift delete it either.)
[]
So, just another bit of clutter.


There's a way to change their visibility, if it's the
clutter that bothers you.

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...er-add-remove-
navigation-pane.html

Paul


Thanks. I've done that, and will tell you if it has gone next time I
reboot.

I still find it irritating that we have to get these arcane hex strings
from tipsites - I presume _they_ get them from leaks, as I'm sure they
can't just find them.


:-) That's what it probably says in the "program requirements"
section of the document they design to. "Use arcane hex strings
to program feature". They're likely just undocumented bit strings,
with a "boolean per field" kind of thing. If you set the value
to all-zero, Explorer "disappears into a singularity".

Paul
  #24  
Old January 14th 19, 04:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I've now removed the four standard Libraries (Documents, Music,
Pictures, and Videos), so I have "Libraries" under "Desktop" in
Explorer (just above "Homegroup"), with nothing in it. Ah, I can't
shift-delete it, and right-clicking has no Delete. (I can't
non-shift delete it either.)
[]
So, just another bit of clutter.

There's a way to change their visibility, if it's the
clutter that bothers you.

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...er-add-remove-
navigation-pane.html

Paul

Thanks. I've done that, and will tell you if it has gone next time I
reboot.
I still find it irritating that we have to get these arcane hex
strings from tipsites - I presume _they_ get them from leaks, as I'm
sure they can't just find them.


:-) That's what it probably says in the "program requirements"
section of the document they design to. "Use arcane hex strings
to program feature". They're likely just undocumented bit strings,
with a "boolean per field" kind of thing. If you set the value
to all-zero, Explorer "disappears into a singularity".

Paul


I didn't mean the hex value that we have to set - I understand bit flags
(though it's good that someone has worked out at least one of the
bits!); I meant the {argle-bargle-itsy-bitsy} string we have to get
inside to _get_ at the value we want to change. I could _just about_
accept this sort of obfuscation where it involves commercial software
providers hiding where they put their anti-piracy
measures/flags/whatever, but I see _no_ justification for the settings
for Windows itself:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{031E4825-7B94-4dc3-B131-E946B44C8DD5}\ShellFolde
r
using such strings.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Apologies to [those] who may have been harmed by the scientific inaccuracies
in this post. - Roger Tilbury in UMRA, 2018-3-14
  #25  
Old January 14th 19, 05:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I've now removed the four standard Libraries (Documents, Music,
Pictures, and Videos), so I have "Libraries" under "Desktop" in
Explorer (just above "Homegroup"), with nothing in it. Ah, I can't
shift-delete it, and right-clicking has no Delete. (I can't
non-shift delete it either.)
[]
So, just another bit of clutter.

There's a way to change their visibility, if it's the
clutter that bothers you.

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...er-add-remove-

navigation-pane.html

Paul
Thanks. I've done that, and will tell you if it has gone next time I
reboot.
I still find it irritating that we have to get these arcane hex
strings from tipsites - I presume _they_ get them from leaks, as I'm
sure they can't just find them.


:-) That's what it probably says in the "program requirements"
section of the document they design to. "Use arcane hex strings
to program feature". They're likely just undocumented bit strings,
with a "boolean per field" kind of thing. If you set the value
to all-zero, Explorer "disappears into a singularity".

Paul


I didn't mean the hex value that we have to set - I understand bit flags
(though it's good that someone has worked out at least one of the
bits!); I meant the {argle-bargle-itsy-bitsy} string we have to get
inside to _get_ at the value we want to change. I could _just about_
accept this sort of obfuscation where it involves commercial software
providers hiding where they put their anti-piracy
measures/flags/whatever, but I see _no_ justification for the settings
for Windows itself:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{031E4825-7B94-4dc3-B131-E946B44C8DD5}\ShellFolde
r
using such strings.


Agreed. That part of it is a bit too clever.

"A CLSID is a globally unique identifier that identifies a COM class object"

"A COM server is implemented as a COM class."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_Object_Model

"It is used to enable inter-process communication object creation
in a large range of programming languages."

And now we'll need a "junior programmers textbook" to figure
out what it actually is. All I'm finding is circular references.

I'm having trouble finding a way to identify them, like
a text string associated with a registered item.

Maybe you'd have to do a search of the registry for the CLSID
value, to find things that refer to the item.

Paul
  #26  
Old January 14th 19, 05:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default 4th time, not the charm

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I've now removed the four standard Libraries (Documents, Music,
Pictures, and Videos), so I have "Libraries" under "Desktop" in
Explorer (just above "Homegroup"), with nothing in it. Ah, I
can't shift-delete it, and right-clicking has no Delete. (I
can't non-shift delete it either.)
[]
So, just another bit of clutter.

There's a way to change their visibility, if it's the
clutter that bothers you.


https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/35627-libraries-folder-add-remove-
navigation-pane.html

Paul
Thanks. I've done that, and will tell you if it has gone next time
I reboot.
I still find it irritating that we have to get these arcane hex
strings from tipsites - I presume _they_ get them from leaks, as
I'm sure they can't just find them.

:-) That's what it probably says in the "program requirements"
section of the document they design to. "Use arcane hex strings
to program feature". They're likely just undocumented bit strings,
with a "boolean per field" kind of thing. If you set the value
to all-zero, Explorer "disappears into a singularity".

Paul

I didn't mean the hex value that we have to set - I understand bit
flags (though it's good that someone has worked out at least one of
the bits!); I meant the {argle-bargle-itsy-bitsy} string we have to
get inside to _get_ at the value we want to change. I could _just
about_ accept this sort of obfuscation where it involves commercial
software providers hiding where they put their anti-piracy
measures/flags/whatever, but I see _no_ justification for the settings
for Windows itself:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{031E4825-7B94-4dc3-B131-E946B44C8DD5}\ShellFolde
r
using such strings.


Agreed. That part of it is a bit too clever.

"A CLSID is a globally unique identifier that identifies a COM class
object"

[]
It could be globally unique and still human-readable. It doesn't need to
be a long hex string enclosed in curly brackets - one of thousands such.
--
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My mission in life is not merely to survive, but to thrive, and to do so with
some passion, some compassion, some humour, and some style. - Maya Angelou,
quoted by Annabel Nnochiri, in RT 2017/5/13-19
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Old January 14th 19, 06:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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Char Jackson on Sun, 13 Jan 2019 14:46:25 -0600
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 17:24:04 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Big Al
writes:
On 1/12/19 10:44 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

[]
Oh, and if you use robocopy to copy a profile, use the /XJ
switch.
Otherwise, you will have Appdata/local/Application Data/Application
Data/Application Data/Application Data/Application Data/Application
Data/Application Data/Application Data unto the 17th or 34th
generation.
Which you cannot delete, because the path/filename is too long.
Fortunately "unlocker.exe" worked. "Unlocked" everything, and
then it was just "delete, delete, delete". (download from
unlocker.emptyloop.com - it has been a boon many times.)

[]
("Take ownership" is another good one.) If it's just overlong
file/pathnames that are your problem, then the old DOS command SUBST
still works up to at least W7.


Another quick and dirty way to deal with cases where the filepath is too
long is to rename from the top down, assigning a random single letter to
each folder until the total filepath length is within limits. I tend to
use that method because it's what I think of first, but SUBST is a
cleaner, better way, and works up through at least 8.1.


I tried that. This had gotten infinitely looped, sub dir 6 is
pointing to sub dir 10 which is pointing to subdir 15, which is
pointing to subdir 7. And all link to AppData\Local\Adobe.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
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Old January 14th 19, 06:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Sun, 13 Jan 2019
23:06:21 +0000 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Sun, 13 Jan 2019
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In message , Big Al
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On 1/12/19 10:44 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
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Oh, and if you use robocopy to copy a profile, use the /XJ
switch.
Otherwise, you will have Appdata/local/Application Data/Application
Data/Application Data/Application Data/Application Data/Application
Data/Application Data/Application Data unto the 17th or 34th
generation.
Which you cannot delete, because the path/filename is too long.
Fortunately "unlocker.exe" worked. "Unlocked" everything, and
then it was just "delete, delete, delete". (download from
unlocker.emptyloop.com - it has been a boon many times.)
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("Take ownership" is another good one.) If it's just overlong
file/pathnames that are your problem, then the old DOS command SUBST
still works up to at least W7.


I tried taking ownership - it threw conniption fits.
I tried subst. That kind of worked - I could switch to drive X:
(which was point to the 15th Application Data directory) and - still
couldn't delete things. Arrgh.
Fortunately, unlocker worked.

"Arrgle bargle, freeping 21st century problems!..."


I _think_ you can subst: to something that's already substed. But you
got it sorted.

I think another thing that might have worked was just to repeatedly type
(in a command window)
cd applic~1 (I'm not sure if cd "Application Data"
dir would have worked)
(using the up-arrow to repeat the commands)
until you get to the end, then
del *.*
cd ..
rd whatever
back out again.


That's what I tried at first.

Next time, I use the /XJ (exclude junctions) in the commandline

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Old January 14th 19, 06:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Frank Slootweg on 13 Jan 2019 20:46:01 GMT
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Big Al on Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:14:15 -0500 typed

[...]
My latest "What were they thinking? Were they thinking?" is the
magic folders/link/shortcut. As in "it says 'My Music' but it is
really "\D". And by \D I mean that if you search F:\Bakups it will
find the directory RawFIles. On Drive D. Which is kind of cool,
until you want to remove said 'link', only if you delete "My Music",
you are asked if you mean to delete all 385 gigs in the directory. No,
I just want to delete the link, but this being Windows, you can't do
dat.


If I understand you correctly. I think you're confusing the *Library*
'My Music' with the *folder*(s) it is pointing to.

If you go to 'Desktop' in File Explorer, you will see a 'thing' called
'Libraries'. 'Libraries; contains your list of libraries, which probably
includes '[My] Documents', '[My] Music', '[My] Pictures' and '[My]
Videos'.

Right-click on the *library* '[My] Music' and select Properties. There
you will see that you *can* 'Add...' and 'Remove' the *folders* - called
'Library locationss' - to which the *library* '[My] Music' is pointing.

Argge.


Elementary, dear Watson, just relax! :-)

So yes, you *can* delete the 'link' (read: library) 'My Music', but if
you do not want to delete the folders it's pointing to, you first have
to 'Remove' those folders from the list of 'Library locations:' in the
Properties of the 'My Music' library.

N.B. I wrote '[My] Music', etc., because AFAIK the name on Windows 7 is
still 'My Music', while on Windows 8.1 (which I have), it's just 'Music'.

HTH.

P.S. You can also *add* libraries. For example I have one called NetNews
which points to my local NetNews/Usenet 'cache'.


Now, when I'm on drive Igor (for I and I search for Rawpods, it
is found, even as it is not on drive Igor, but on drive Dug (for D,
and only after I have caused Windows to show me _all_ of the
directories on drive Igor that I can find I:\bakup\D\ (which is under
the alias "My Music").
When I attempt to delete directory I:\Bakup\D, I am informed that
it wants to delete all 345 gigs of files. Which just happens to be
the size of the contents of drive Dug.

This isn't in "libraries" this is on an external drive used for
backups.
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Old January 14th 19, 08:15 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
Frank Slootweg on 13 Jan 2019 20:46:01 GMT
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
[...]
Big Al on Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:14:15 -0500 typed

[...]
My latest "What were they thinking? Were they thinking?" is the
magic folders/link/shortcut. As in "it says 'My Music' but it is
really "\D". And by \D I mean that if you search F:\Bakups it will
find the directory RawFIles. On Drive D. Which is kind of cool,
until you want to remove said 'link', only if you delete "My Music",
you are asked if you mean to delete all 385 gigs in the directory. No,
I just want to delete the link, but this being Windows, you can't do
dat.

If I understand you correctly. I think you're confusing the *Library*
'My Music' with the *folder*(s) it is pointing to.

If you go to 'Desktop' in File Explorer, you will see a 'thing' called
'Libraries'. 'Libraries; contains your list of libraries, which probably
includes '[My] Documents', '[My] Music', '[My] Pictures' and '[My]
Videos'.

Right-click on the *library* '[My] Music' and select Properties. There
you will see that you *can* 'Add...' and 'Remove' the *folders* - called
'Library locationss' - to which the *library* '[My] Music' is pointing.

Argge.

Elementary, dear Watson, just relax! :-)

So yes, you *can* delete the 'link' (read: library) 'My Music', but if
you do not want to delete the folders it's pointing to, you first have
to 'Remove' those folders from the list of 'Library locations:' in the
Properties of the 'My Music' library.

N.B. I wrote '[My] Music', etc., because AFAIK the name on Windows 7 is
still 'My Music', while on Windows 8.1 (which I have), it's just 'Music'.

HTH.

P.S. You can also *add* libraries. For example I have one called NetNews
which points to my local NetNews/Usenet 'cache'.


Now, when I'm on drive Igor (for I and I search for Rawpods, it
is found, even as it is not on drive Igor, but on drive Dug (for D,
and only after I have caused Windows to show me _all_ of the
directories on drive Igor that I can find I:\bakup\D\ (which is under
the alias "My Music").
When I attempt to delete directory I:\Bakup\D, I am informed that
it wants to delete all 345 gigs of files. Which just happens to be
the size of the contents of drive Dug.

This isn't in "libraries" this is on an external drive used for
backups.


Is the path a Junction, a Hard Link, a shortcut, or some
other kind of linkage ?

First you have to identify what it is, to deal with it
correctly.

This is also a reason to not get too clever using the
"traps" the OS offers. Yes, you can link all sorts of
stuff together, but at your peril.

Paul
 




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